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BULBASAUR posted:There have been over 100 international delegations to that province who found nothing. Of course the Americans are also invited, they just don't go... so they just keep up the rhetoric The revelation that the prisons in Xinjiang are probably in better state than those in the US would be damning
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Jan 25, 2022 22:09
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As long as the party doing it is aligned with US interests and the people are free to move to Israel, it might not even be a problem.
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Jan 25, 2022 22:09
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quote:and will certainly eclipse it in the coming decades. Not a certainty at all. China's demographic crisis + the extent to which China is vulnerable to climate catastrophe alone are enough to put this assertion very much in doubt.
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Jan 25, 2022 22:12
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anyway let's talk about how Russia is definitely going to invade another country during winter the great winter offensive
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Jan 25, 2022 22:15
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Not So Fast posted:The revelation that the prisons in Xinjiang are probably in better state than those in the US would be damning thats an unfair advantage. lets see how those prisons are doing in 100 years. i'd like to see them try and contain the black irish
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Jan 25, 2022 22:18
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Homeless Friend posted:thats an unfair advantage. lets see how those prisons are doing in 100 years. i'd like to see them try and contain the black irish lmao
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Jan 25, 2022 22:19
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goddammit lol https://twitter.com/haaretzcom/status/1485493567497785349
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Jan 25, 2022 22:23
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quote:Shekhovtsov's works have been featured on/at OpenDemocracy[2], the Chatham House,[3] Foreign Affairs[4], the Carnegie Council for Ethics in International Affairs[5] and the Aspen Institute.[6] quote:In the rising multipolar world, Russia is unable to compete with the global superpower poles such as the U.S., the EU or China. Russia does not rank even in the Top 10 of the world’s economies, and its political project is attractive only for the far Right and regressive Left.  quote:and well-off "tankies" who will condone any action somehow aimed against NATO. Lostconfused has issued a correction as of 22:37 on Jan 25, 2022 |
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Jan 25, 2022 22:27
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God drat rich tankies.
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Jan 25, 2022 22:32
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Majorian posted:Not a certainty at all. China's demographic crisis + the extent to which China is vulnerable to climate catastrophe alone are enough to put this assertion very much in doubt. If China and North Korea can maintain a civilization at all, that means they've eclipsed the rest of us in the coming decades.
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Jan 25, 2022 22:39
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The last page is literally the first time I have read any dissenting views against the idea that China is imprisoning, enslaving, medically operating on, and genociding Uyghurs... I didn't even know it was a question that they were horribly abusing these people. I would certainly be happy to hear that it is bullshit, as I otherwise find China pretty fascinating and not horrible, although like any nation they have plenty of other issues. Is there a good article I can read that puts forth the claim that all of the Uyghur stories are untrue?
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Jan 25, 2022 22:43
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Lostconfused posted:Putin is just being a Karen and demanding to speak to the manager of NATO. The denial of Russian power is really something. Russia maintains the most powerful military in Europe because they're spending a massive percentage of their meager GDP on it (4.3% compared to America's 3.7%) yet nevertheless it's there. It's fascinating how people can look at economic power in purely ideological terms this way. Russia's economy is still poo poo so they must be a third rate power, even though the only country with more nukes than them is the United States.
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Jan 25, 2022 22:45
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blue squares posted:The last page is literally the first time I have read any dissenting views against the idea that China is imprisoning, enslaving, medically operating on, and genociding Uyghurs... I didn't even know it was a question that they were horribly abusing these people. I would certainly be happy to hear that it is bullshit, as I otherwise find China pretty fascinating and not horrible, although like any nation they have plenty of other issues. someone link the twitter thread deconstructing and destroying the Adrian Zenz please
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Jan 25, 2022 22:47
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https://twitter.com/cspan/status/1485692720496664585?s=20 SACRED OBLIGATION
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Jan 25, 2022 22:48
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blue squares posted:The last page is literally the first time I have read any dissenting views against the idea that China is imprisoning, enslaving, medically operating on, and genociding Uyghurs... I didn't even know it was a question that they were horribly abusing these people. I would certainly be happy to hear that it is bullshit, as I otherwise find China pretty fascinating and not horrible, although like any nation they have plenty of other issues. not that china didn't gently caress poo poo up but ppl keep mentioning all this. where do you get the idea that china is imprisoning, enslaving, medically operating on, and genociding uyghurs? or is it just falling back on rhetoric....
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Jan 25, 2022 22:49
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Homeless Friend posted:not that china didn't gently caress poo poo up but ppl keep mentioning all this. where do you get the idea that china is imprisoning, enslaving, medically operating on, and genociding uyghurs? or is it just falling back on rhetoric.... Are you serious? There's countless stories making all of these claims. If you google "Uyghurs" that's what you see.
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Jan 25, 2022 22:51
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Homeless Friend posted:not that china didn't gently caress poo poo up but ppl keep mentioning all this. where do you get the idea that china is imprisoning, enslaving, medically operating on, and genociding uyghurs? or is it just falling back on rhetoric.... probably the new york times, washington post, npr, politico, reddit, or elsewhere on these very forums
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Jan 25, 2022 22:53
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wheres the numbers millions not saying china didnt gently caress poo poo up. but, ppl keep mentioning millions
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Jan 25, 2022 22:53
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blue squares posted:The last page is literally the first time I have read any dissenting views against the idea that China is imprisoning, enslaving, medically operating on, and genociding Uyghurs... I didn't even know it was a question that they were horribly abusing these people. I would certainly be happy to hear that it is bullshit, as I otherwise find China pretty fascinating and not horrible, although like any nation they have plenty of other issues. the UN human rights council has a report on Xinjiang coming out soon, I think they're waiting until after the olympics to publish it. Hopefully it's good news and all is well there
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Jan 25, 2022 22:55
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If you read those stories and start looking for any evidence to back them up you end up with this:Pener Kropoopkin posted:The goalposts have shifted on Xinjiang genocide from, "they're murdering Uighurs," to "cultural genocide," to "prison is genocide." The whole affair ends up moving the goalposts to American penitentiaries, but nobody is talking about divesting from the US. Even the microtargeting of divestment from the products of "Xinjiang" or "slave labor" are a pathetic form of liberal theater trying to minimize any actual consequences from this hysteria.
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Jan 25, 2022 22:55
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blue squares posted:Is there a good article I can read that puts forth the claim that all of the Uyghur stories are untrue? There isn't any one killshot article out there. The problem is that we're confronted with Bush-era thinking, in which the absence of evidence is not the evidence of absence - so a lot of "evidence" is baked into representing facilities that aren't real. Like, a large facility with a barbed wire fence is actually a school, not a prison. The only real response is to deconstruct the evidence, and since 90% of what the international community considers evidence comes from Adrian Zenz he's the obvious point of focus. http://en.people.cn/n3/2021/0207/c90000-9817088.html This article is pretty weak, but the overview on Zenz is all true.
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Jan 25, 2022 22:55
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Homeless Friend posted:wheres the numbers couldnt resist the siren song of gbs posting. sucks.
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Jan 25, 2022 22:55
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blue squares posted:The last page is literally the first time I have read any dissenting views against the idea that China is imprisoning, enslaving, medically operating on, and genociding Uyghurs... I didn't even know it was a question that they were horribly abusing these people. I would certainly be happy to hear that it is bullshit, as I otherwise find China pretty fascinating and not horrible, although like any nation they have plenty of other issues. lol the organ harvesting thing was a bit of a tell dude not even the Zenz crowd pushes that anymore, that's pure Falun Gong invention
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Jan 25, 2022 22:56
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I like the Grayzone articles on Xinjiang http://thegrayzone.com/tag/uighurs/
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Jan 25, 2022 22:56
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Majorian posted:Not a certainty at all. China's demographic crisis + the extent to which China is vulnerable to climate catastrophe alone are enough to put this assertion very much in doubt. China GDP is already 150% that of the US in material terms and the US very clearly has its own issues with climate change and demographics. The West Coast was slammed this year. Honestly, it already happens and it will take a few more years for the rest of the world to figure it out. —- This whole invasion thing may just come down to the Russians positioning troops to support the separatists, and it has been hyped up that the Russians now pretty much have to invade Ukraine. Ardennes has issued a correction as of 23:08 on Jan 25, 2022 |
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Jan 25, 2022 22:57
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copy posted:couldnt resist the siren song of gbs posting. sucks. lol im just copy pasting the gbs poster that got THS put in the slammer. im gonna do it around the forum until i get banned because, conceptually, thats really funny
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Jan 25, 2022 22:58
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"eastern flank countries" is really giving up the game there, isn't it?
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Jan 25, 2022 22:58
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In Training posted:I like the Grayzone articles on Xinjiang http://thegrayzone.com/tag/uighurs/ The grayzone ones are really good. They also cite their sources so you can actually go and take a look for stuff yourself. Alternatively you can also do this https://twitter.com/muenzenberg_w/status/1466800922005225480?cxt=HHwWkICyhdnqj9soAAAA
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Jan 25, 2022 22:58
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Not So Fast posted:The revelation that the prisons in Xinjiang are probably in better state than those in the US would be damning This is an extremely low bar
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Jan 25, 2022 22:59
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blue squares posted:Are you serious? There's countless stories making all of these claims. If you google "Uyghurs" that's what you see. just fyi the guy behind all of the claims of uygher genocide and cited by every major publication is adrian zenz, a senior fellow at the victims of communism foundation, an organization dedicated, for some reason, to insisting that communism has killed more people than fascism. zenz is a no-doubt 100% blackblooded Neo Nazi of the modern age, a government asset who has spent his entire career updating all of the Nazi party’s ideology about communists for the modern anglosphere.
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Jan 25, 2022 23:00
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Majorian posted:Not a certainty at all. China's demographic crisis + the extent to which China is vulnerable to climate catastrophe alone are enough to put this assertion very much in doubt. However, it's possible the climate crisis is overblown and will not actually be that bad, in which case China is looking prettty good
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Jan 25, 2022 23:00
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Ardennes posted:China GDP is already 150% that of the US in material terms and the US very clearly has its own issues with climate change and demographics. The West Coast was slammed this year. USA is having its own demographic crisis right now thanks to COVID. Large parts of the working age population are either out because of the disease or are forced to take care of someone that is. Who knows what the long term consequences of exposing large swathes of your population to it will be.
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Jan 25, 2022 23:01
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Cpt_Obvious posted:This is an extremely low bar I mean that's why the US has to crank up the allegations to full scale Nazi style industrial genocide, if it's just "yeah they're being lovely to an ethnic minority" that invites too much of the dreaded whataboutism
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Jan 25, 2022 23:02
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scary ghost dog posted:just fyi the guy behind all of the claims of uygher genocide and cited by every major publication is adrian zenz, a senior fellow at the victims of communism foundation, an organization dedicated, for some reason, to insisting that communism has killed more people than fascism. zenz is a no-doubt 100% blackblooded Neo Nazi of the modern age, a government asset who has spent his entire career updating all of the Nazi party’s ideology about communists for the modern anglosphere. Weird how all the "victims" of communism have such stylish arm bands. Best not to think about it.
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Jan 25, 2022 23:02
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Ardennes posted:China GDP is already 150% that of the US in material terms and the US very clearly has its own issues with climate change and demographics. The West Coast was slammed this year. China's deficiencies in GDP per capita are also made up by their ability to produce everything at lower cost, and sell them at lower prices. So even if they've only just barely eliminated abject poverty, you're still looking at 500 million people with lifestyles comparable to an American's.
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Jan 25, 2022 23:05
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Croatia's president says it will not send troops if Russia-Ukraine conflict escalatesquote:President Zoran Milanović, a Social Democrat, said on Tuesday that the country would not be sending troops to the region if tensions continue to simmer. quote:But Croatian Foreign Minister Gordan Grlić-Radman, affiliated with the center right government, disputed the president's comments, saying that Croatia remained loyal to NATO and that the president did serve as the voice of Croatia, Politico Europe reported. Some intergovernmental conflict in Croatia about what to do if things go hot.
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Jan 25, 2022 23:12
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Pener Kropoopkin posted:If China and North Korea can maintain a civilization at all, that means they've eclipsed the rest of us in the coming decades. *cough* syq *cough*
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Jan 25, 2022 23:13
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Homeless Friend posted:lol im just copy pasting the gbs poster that got THS put in the slammer. im gonna do it around the forum until i get banned because, conceptually, thats really funny oh i thought it was to point out the absurdity of that post from the closed gbs thread. well i guess what youre proposing accomplishes that too tho lol. god speed
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Homeless Friend posted:lol im just copy pasting the gbs poster that got THS put in the slammer. im gonna do it around the forum until i get banned because, conceptually, thats really funny Propaganda of the deed, comrade. Goonspeed!
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