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McGavin
Sep 18, 2012

flakeloaf posted:

Remember paying a small fine every time you bought a CD, to compensate the recording industry for the music you might copy onto it

What if that, but instead the state just withheld all of what it'd cost to remediate a total climate catastrophe, invested it, and turned the profits towards a crown corporation that sought to obsolete the fossil fuel industry

I don't want my tax dollars being wasted by the government!
:qqsay:

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Maneck
Sep 11, 2011

flakeloaf posted:

Remember paying a small fine every time you bought a CD, to compensate the recording industry for the music you might copy onto it

What if that, but instead the state just withheld all of what it'd cost to remediate a total climate catastrophe, invested it, and turned the profits towards a crown corporation that sought to obsolete the fossil fuel industry

It's not that it is a bad idea, but it doesn't always go well either:

https://www.thestar.com/news/canada/2016/01/09/ontario-tire-recycling-fees-fund-boozy-board-dinners.html

Pleads
Jun 9, 2005

pew pew pew


Your solution appears to require a competent and uncorrupt government despite being prompted by a story of incompetent and corrupt government.

Cocaine Bear
Nov 4, 2011

ACAB

What if we had a government that wasn't 100% beholden to the resource extraction consortium that makes up this entire country?

Pleads
Jun 9, 2005

pew pew pew


Cocaine Bear posted:

What if we had a government that wasn't 100% beholden to the resource extraction consortium that makes up this entire country?

StealthArcher
Jan 10, 2010




Hold on I'm getting like 69 phone calls.

Lead out in cuffs
Sep 18, 2012

"That's right. We've evolved."

"I can see that. Cool mutations."




flakeloaf posted:

Remember paying a small fine every time you bought a CD, to compensate the recording industry for the music you might copy onto it

What if that, but instead the state just withheld all of what it'd cost to remediate a total climate catastrophe, invested it, and turned the profits towards a crown corporation that sought to obsolete the fossil fuel industry

The best part is that Alberta does do this for oil wells. In theory. The problem is that the amount they have withheld is about 500X too little to actually clean up all the wells.

https://thetyee.ca/Analysis/2019/12/16/Alberta-Poison-Wells-File/

quote:

In a 2018 presentation, Robert Wadsworth, vice-president of closure and liability for the scandal-plagued Alberta Energy Regulator, estimated that the cleanup liability for the province’s 400,000 oil and gas wells was likely at least $100 billion. Pipelines, he added, represented another $30 billion unfunded liability.

But the Alberta Energy Regulator has only collected $226 million in security deposits to pay for cleanup if companies declare bankruptcy and won’t pay.

Edit: and that's just local cleanup. I don't even know what it would amount to if you tried to put a number on the fractional contribution of Alberta's oil wells to global climate catastrophe. Probably a lot.

Lead out in cuffs fucked around with this message at 21:26 on Jan 25, 2022

McGavin
Sep 18, 2012

StealthArcher posted:

Hold on I'm getting like 69 phone calls.

Nice.

ZShakespeare
Jul 20, 2003

War gives the right to the conquerors to impose any condition they please upon the vanquished.
Guys let’s not bring down the level of discourse on this anonymous Internet forum who’s only meaningful contribution to the world was that one time Lowtax banned anime porn and it led to the Jan 6 insurrection.

(USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)

Another Bill
Sep 27, 2018

I stumbled ass-backwards into a comfortable, easy life for reasons beyond my comprehension and now I think I'm better than you for it.
Who's Lowtax?

infernal machines
Oct 11, 2012

we monitor many frequencies. we listen always. came a voice, out of the babel of tongues, speaking to us. it played us a mighty dub.
Just some guy, probably.

Humour me here, if you don't want to discuss or debate then why would you post in the "Debate & Discussion" forum? There's an entire other top level forum made explicitly for howling into the void about politics, if that's what you're looking to do.

e: Or I guess Koos could do that

Vintersorg
Mar 3, 2004

President of
the Brendan Fraser
Fan Club



Now these loving parasites are saying to take GoFundMe employees hostage.

https://twitter.com/JaneQCitizen/status/1486082102156169218

I wish it was the storm from last week so we could wipe these people off the face of the earth as they try to navigate the highways.

mom and dad fight a lot
Sep 21, 2006
Probation
Can't post for 22 days!
All GoFundMe is asking for is a clear withdrawal plan for the nearly $5 million, which is standard policy to protect the donors.

lmao these people are so loving stupid

Edit: #FluTruxKlan has been one of my rare pleasant Twitter journeys

mom and dad fight a lot fucked around with this message at 00:01 on Jan 26, 2022

infernal machines
Oct 11, 2012

we monitor many frequencies. we listen always. came a voice, out of the babel of tongues, speaking to us. it played us a mighty dub.
They're saying a lot of things, some of which should at least be investigated as hate speech, and at the very least the platforms they're using to spread this stuff should be enforcing their own ToS.

That said, this looks a lot less like any kind of mass movement and more like maybe a dozen people who are just screaming very loudly in the internet and streaming their road trip.

Vintersorg
Mar 3, 2004

President of
the Brendan Fraser
Fan Club



infernal machines posted:

They're saying a lot of things, some of which should at least be investigated as hate speech, and at the very least the platforms they're using to spread this stuff should be enforcing their own ToS.

That said, this looks a lot less like any kind of mass movement and more like maybe a dozen people who are just screaming very loudly in the internet and streaming their road trip.

Quite a few people here: https://www.reddit.com/r/Winnipeg/comments/scp45i/antivax_parade_in_headingley_today_i_was_stuck_in/

infernal machines
Oct 11, 2012

we monitor many frequencies. we listen always. came a voice, out of the babel of tongues, speaking to us. it played us a mighty dub.
There were a lot of people out in Toronto on Saturday for an anti-vax protest too.

I was referring to the cross country road trip people specifically, since that's what was in the tweet you posted. Obviously that's anti-vax, but IDK how coherent any of it is as a movement. I've yet to see any indication that the convoy protest specifically has numbers beyond the few regularly identifiable people who are streaming it.

infernal machines fucked around with this message at 00:12 on Jan 26, 2022

InfiniteZero
Sep 11, 2004

PINK GUITAR FIRE ROBOT

College Slice

Vintersorg posted:

Now these loving parasites are saying to take GoFundMe employees hostage.

https://twitter.com/JaneQCitizen/status/1486082102156169218

I wish it was the storm from last week so we could wipe these people off the face of the earth as they try to navigate the highways.

"WE HAVE TO FORCE OUR HAND!"

I'm also just tired of people babbling pseudo-legalese and thinking it makes them sound authoritative. I'm nothing close to a lawyer but I can easily tell that the legalese they're babbling is to law what the tech babble in a mid-90s TV "cyberpunk" show was to computing.

flakeloaf
Feb 26, 2003

Still better than android clock


Well yeah, the whole thing IS predicated on a responsible government taking honest custody of the public trust. Not sure what I was thinkin

Powershift
Nov 23, 2009


Just a thought.

I wonder how many of those ratty rear end farm trucks in the convoy got permits for inter provincial travel.

When I was a trucker I only had a provincial safety fitness certificate which meant I also only had to abide by the provincial regulations. We needed single trip permits to go into Saskatchewan or BC.

https://www.sgi.sk.ca/outofprovincecarriers

BC includes farm registered vehicles in the requirement, not sure if Saskatchewan does.

I don’t think farmers even need to run log books but if they’re crossing provincial borders they absolutely do. Driving cross country they would also absolutely have to follow the federal hours of service.

The DOT officers could be making mad bank off of this. The scale houses here at least all have plate readers. There would be nothing sweeter than these loving yokels coming home to a letter from transport Canada that their plates were pinged across the country and they now have to wire ELDs into their trucks but I don’t think there is that level of coordination yet.

flashy_mcflash
Feb 7, 2011

infernal machines posted:

There were a lot of people out in Toronto on Saturday for an anti-vax protest too.


I think at this point we can just make it a landmark, it pretty much hasn't stopped since the pandemic began. I've been downtown less than ten times in the past year but they're always there.

mom and dad fight a lot
Sep 21, 2006
Probation
Can't post for 22 days!

Powershift posted:

Just a thought.

I wonder how many of those ratty rear end farm trucks in the convoy got permits for inter provincial travel.

I don't have any personal industry knowledge/experience in this area, but would it make a difference if they're travelling on their own time/dime, vice doing it as a job?

mom and dad fight a lot fucked around with this message at 01:36 on Jan 26, 2022

infernal machines
Oct 11, 2012

we monitor many frequencies. we listen always. came a voice, out of the babel of tongues, speaking to us. it played us a mighty dub.

flashy_mcflash posted:

I think at this point we can just make it a landmark, it pretty much hasn't stopped since the pandemic began. I've been downtown less than ten times in the past year but they're always there.

It's basically background noise at this point, except when I have to walk an extra 20 minutes in the cold because they've shut down Spadina to cross traffic.

Powershift
Nov 23, 2009


mom and dad fight a lot posted:

Not having any personal industry knowledge in this area: would it make a difference if they're travelling on their own time/dime, vice doing it as a job?

Not unless they registered the truck on personal plates before they left.

It’s a commercial truck registered for weight.

They are also presumably being compensated from the gofundme. Being paid to haul the massive weight of their terrible ideology across the country. That is assuming anybody but the organizer ever sees a dime.

PT6A
Jan 5, 2006

Public school teachers are callous dictators who won't lift a finger to stop children from peeing in my plane
I really do hate the FluTrucksKlan. I don't know if it's good or bad -- probably bad -- but I just wish these people would evaporate into thin air or something. Every anti-vaxxer, every Maverick Party nutbag, they serve no purpose beyond making the world a darker, more miserable place for everyone. Just awful, awful loving people.

Powershift
Nov 23, 2009


https://mobile.twitter.com/erinhoward0118/status/1485596574126424065

“We’re a little bit at war” ~a loving cop

infernal machines
Oct 11, 2012

we monitor many frequencies. we listen always. came a voice, out of the babel of tongues, speaking to us. it played us a mighty dub.
e: Lol. Durham Region sure knows how to pick 'em.

Powershift posted:

That is assuming anybody but the organizer ever sees a dime.

There's a reasonably good chance even the organizer won't see a dime because they're too stupid to do the proper paperwork for disbursement.

infernal machines fucked around with this message at 02:15 on Jan 26, 2022

PT6A
Jan 5, 2006

Public school teachers are callous dictators who won't lift a finger to stop children from peeing in my plane
They're at war with reality, more like.

mom and dad fight a lot
Sep 21, 2006
Probation
Can't post for 22 days!
She's under investigation now.

https://www.cbc.ca/amp/1.6325983

I was about to say "hope it was worth losing your job over", but at this point I'd be surprised if anyone gets fired.

mom and dad fight a lot fucked around with this message at 03:41 on Jan 26, 2022

linoleum floors
Mar 25, 2012

Please. Let me tell you all about how you're all idiots. I am of superior intellect here. Go suck some dicks. You have all fucking stupid opinions. This is my fucking opinion.
Oh no suspended with pay, whatever shall I do

infernal machines
Oct 11, 2012

we monitor many frequencies. we listen always. came a voice, out of the babel of tongues, speaking to us. it played us a mighty dub.
Plenty of time to drive to Ottawa, I guess.

shades of eternity
Nov 9, 2013

Where kitties raise dragons in the world's largest mall.
bah bunch of wusses.

Back in the 19th century, there were this group of ukrainian canadian settlers, that when they got their plots of land and found out what they were sold, got so mad they literally walked back to the capital to give them a piece of their mind.

These guys are riding around in vehicles.

Legit Businessman
Sep 2, 2007


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Legit Businessman fucked around with this message at 01:10 on Sep 10, 2022

apatheticman
May 13, 2003

Wedge Regret
Blatant sexual harassment and making political statements in uniform without authorization are pretty much the only things that will get you a reasonable chance of getting fired. She's gone.

Lars Blitzer
Aug 17, 2004

He drinks a Whiskey drink, he drinks a Vodka drink
He drinks a Lager drink, he drinks a Cider drink...


Dick Tracy's number one fan.

Well this is a loving fantastic sign of things to come:
https://twitter.com/glen_mcgregor/status/1486140174857867266

A whole lot of coke-fueled crazy packed into 4 minutes. I'm just loving done at this point. You know what, just let them be plague rats, go anywhere, do anything their shriveled little hearts and smooth brains can conjure up. Just leave the rest of us alone. I'm reaching PT6A levels of disgust, scorn, and rapidly increasing hatred for these selfish toddlers.

Mokinokaro
Sep 11, 2001

At the end of everything, hold onto anything



Fun Shoe

infernal machines posted:

There were a lot of people out in Toronto on Saturday for an anti-vax protest too.

I was referring to the cross country road trip people specifically, since that's what was in the tweet you posted. Obviously that's anti-vax, but IDK how coherent any of it is as a movement. I've yet to see any indication that the convoy protest specifically has numbers beyond the few regularly identifiable people who are streaming it.

CTV is estimating a couple hundred truckers total by the time they reach Ottawa.

So basically pissing in a storm that's getting more media boost than it deserves

Postess with the Mostest
Apr 4, 2007

Arabian nights
'neath Arabian moons
A fool off his guard
could fall and fall hard
out there on the dunes
gently caress Bell

Fidelitious
Apr 17, 2018

MY BIRTH CRY WILL BE THE SOUND OF EVERY WALLET ON THIS PLANET OPENING IN UNISON.

Lars Blitzer posted:

I'm reaching PT6A levels

I'm not sure the average human can withstand such a thing.

PT6A
Jan 5, 2006

Public school teachers are callous dictators who won't lift a finger to stop children from peeing in my plane
I think it's really, really cool how anti-vaxxers and the FluTruxKlan and their ilk are pushing normal people to hate them with burning passion. This is a net good for society, because eventually something will snap and these sociopaths will be tossed out of decent society. Or die of COVID, but I mustn't get my hopes up.

Vintersorg
Mar 3, 2004

President of
the Brendan Fraser
Fan Club



Our local radio idiot Dave Wheeler, WHO HAS BEEN FIRED FOR TRANSPHOBIC COMMENTS and then HIRED ONTO ANOTHER STATION, was back at it with anti-vaxx poo poo - he's not even vaccinated and admits it on the radio. Supporting the truckers. And it just sent me into a hate fueled hour or so. A loving (amazing) drag race meme account is the one bringing this news cause everyone else is a coward. Even the amazing Uzoma comments on this.

https://www.instagram.com/p/CZLExpTjhpp/

quote:

uzomachioma
As much as I loathe that person getting any attention, I’m really (ed: glad) you’re showing folks who he is. He is awful. He has done so much damage and deliberately attacks those who are already disproportionately targeted and without protections.

He is a shining example that “cancel culture” isn’t a thing and that white men fail up because that’s what capitalism dictates.

The more people see him for the harmful human being that he is and speak up, hopefully his space will be replaced with someone who doesn’t need to step on others to feel tall.

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flakeloaf
Feb 26, 2003

Still better than android clock

That's precisely what won't happen. The crazy will try to out-crazy us, they will eventually succeed, and the idiot they install will rip us into pieces. Exactly two, if we're lucky.

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