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I have never heard of this series before and one of the first Youtube videos I am seeing here is "Tear Ring Saga - The 'True' Successor to FE5" Man this looks... like budget Fire Emblem through and through and is giving me some real Winkysoft/Banpresto and ZOE Fist of Mars v SRW vibes here
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MechaX posted:I have never heard of this series before and one of the first Youtube videos I am seeing here is "Tear Ring Saga - The 'True' Successor to FE5" Near as I can tell from the credits the game was made by about 20 people. It's actually a fairly important game since while Kaga was forced to pay Nintendo and change the name of the game, he retained all rights to sell the game. And the game was a financial success, so presumably the fee was fairly minor. This established the precedent that its fine for creators to leave companies, start their own studio, say they're the developers of a previous game, and make a game similar to it. You can see this today with stuff like FROM THE CREATOR OF CASTLEVANIA, BLOODSTAINED and FROM THE CREATOR OF MEGAMAN, MIGHTY NUMBER NINE. The only thing Kaga got in trouble for was the name Emblem Saga, not making Basically Fire Emblem and marketing it as from the creator of Fire Emblem.
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Jan 26, 2022 04:47
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Junpei posted:I'm still more offended and annoyed by Camilla in Fates than anything Kaga ever did. what
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Jan 26, 2022 05:06
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Did everyone just forget how much rage Camilla got when Fates dropped and she acted weird and flirty towards Corrin
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Jan 26, 2022 05:08
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the problem with fates wasn't camilla, it was that fates was a bad game the way modern fire emblem treats female characters, is still way better than how kaga does
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Jan 26, 2022 05:09
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Junpei posted:Did everyone just forget how much rage Camilla got when Fates dropped and she acted weird and flirty towards Corrin there's literally like 7 separate characters in tearring saga who mention getting pregnant at 15, and also kaga went on a giant unpromptd rant about how the flirty dancer girl from fe4 matures and becomes a good wife even though there's no indication of that in game.
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Jan 26, 2022 05:10
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and frankly surgically detach camilla from corrin and shes actually a pretty strong character, her relationships with her other siblings are strong, she's got a good base design even if her outfit is a little goofy, i like how she bounces off her two bodyguards, her backstory's really interesting. shes one of the better characters in fates. peep this official art Endorph fucked around with this message at 05:15 on Jan 26, 2022 |
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Jan 26, 2022 05:11
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I mean, the better comparison is Leif/Nanna, Shigen/Julia and in Berwick, Reese/Lanette, all of which are examples of the same "Adopted siblings eventually fall in love" thing. Corrin, up until the route split, has assumed all his life that Camilla is his birth sister, and then when he finds out he can marry her, which is Not How That Works. At least in the above three, they all knew from very early on that they weren't related, and in the last case the adoption only happened recently because her dad went crazy, and they had known each other as friend before the adoption.
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Jan 26, 2022 05:20
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I'm not defending the dancer thing, that's legit awful, my beef is purely with the 'I'm not actually your sister so we can get married' poo poo
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Jan 26, 2022 05:20
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would you prefer 'i dont know youre my sister so lets get married' or 'i know you're my sister but lets get married anyway?' because kaga did both of those. do you want less cowardice in your incest fetish? because thats fair but i need to know where you're coming from here.
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Jan 26, 2022 05:24
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even taking anything about camilla into account more recent fire emblem games, still give female units more equal class opportunities and stats, than old fire emblem, and in general the series post-kaga is less weird about them
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Jan 26, 2022 05:25
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buddy I'm a Trails fan who thinks Estelle and Joshua are really drat cute together
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Jan 26, 2022 05:25
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what
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Jan 26, 2022 05:26
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The Colonel posted:what clearly they desire less cowardice
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Jan 26, 2022 05:27
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Okay how about we just split the difference: Old FE/Kaga 'FE' can be gross in weird ways, and New FE can be gross in weird ways (player avatar worship), but they can both be fun as games and they both have their merits.
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Jan 26, 2022 05:27
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that was not a "what" directed at the statement that was a "what" directed at "how does this reinforce the argument that camilla is the worst thing to ever happen to a woman in fire emblem"
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Junpei posted:Okay how about we just split the difference: Old FE/Kaga 'FE' can be gross in weird ways, and New FE can be gross in weird ways (player avatar worship), but they can both be fun as games and they both have their merits. these are different consequences in writing though. like very very different. modern fe even is already responding to those aspects with three houses giving characters within the group more options aside from the protagonist
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Jan 26, 2022 05:28
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camillas clothes are kinda dumb but i feel like if u just surgically removed corrin from fates the net good of every character jumps up by at least 20%, including camilla maybe??Endorph posted:let us discuss kaga's Saga series does this mean this lady was walking around in dirt brownface for 90% of the game
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Jan 26, 2022 05:30
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not even to like disagree with the statement that kaga fe has some unique and weird and fun stuff going on mechanically just you. you don't have to defend kaga's approach to female characters. you can say his games have interesting ideas without making a thing about how modern fire emblem is just as bad because there was one bad game and the player insert stuff is wonky
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Jan 26, 2022 05:33
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fates is the worst FE but it isn't cause of camilla
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Jan 26, 2022 05:33
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Araxxor posted:
https://store.steampowered.com/app/694770/Vestaria_Saga_I_War_of_the_Scions/ Think it's this e: Oh its the earlier Saga series he did. Oops. Kild fucked around with this message at 05:37 on Jan 26, 2022 |
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Jan 26, 2022 05:35
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Booky posted:does this mean this lady was walking around in dirt brownface for 90% of the game it means kaga thinks that dark skin looks the same as being covered in dirt and that it makes her less beautiful
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Jan 26, 2022 05:35
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i've been playing echoes for the first time. having fun with it kinda wish there was a switch port so i could have non-3ds crushed hidari art though
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Booky posted:does this mean this lady was walking around in dirt brownface for 90% of the game
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TRS does have some cool gameplay ideas tbh. Kaga was a good game designer, just a creepy writer, and unfortunately he decided he ought to be both
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Jan 26, 2022 05:39
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speaking of kaga i made this once in ms paint and it took me like 20 minutes Endorph posted:buddy try the entire game, thats from the ending!! cheetah7071 posted:it means kaga thinks that dark skin looks the same as being covered in dirt and that it makes her less beautiful  that Sucks, im even more glad kagas gone now!!
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Jan 26, 2022 05:39
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Almost every character of the opposite sex having to have the Avatar as a romance option makes them less interesting as characters because you have to shoehorn a way for them to want to bang the MC after 3 talks where the possibility doesn't come up. Also the way you state "Kaga's approach to female characters" implies that every woman he ever wrote is bad in some way which I think is too blanket of a statement. Tear Ring has some well-written women, like Sierra, Raquel, and Sun. Not that this excuses how other characters are written, mind, I'm just saying that there are peaks and valleys and you can't just point to the worst examples and say it's indicative of the whole.
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Jan 26, 2022 05:40
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The Colonel posted:i've been playing echoes for the first time. having fun with it it's remarkable both how faithful the map and encounter design are to the original, and how well the art and expanded story carry the game into still being good
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Looper posted:it's remarkable both how faithful the map and encounter design are to the original, and how well the art and expanded story carry the game into still being good Cavalier is doing his best
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The Colonel posted:i've been playing echoes for the first time. having fun with it hidari art deserves to be hi-res
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Junpei posted:Almost every character of the opposite sex having to have the Avatar as a romance option makes them less interesting as characters because you have to shoehorn a way for them to want to bang the MC after 3 talks where the possibility doesn't come up.
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three houses also, again, responds to the issue by giving its cast way more options amongst each other. to the point that game reviewers complained there weren't enough gay options, because it turned out a lot of the gay options were between the different characters and not with the protag and none of them considered this
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Junpei posted:Almost every character of the opposite sex having to have the Avatar as a romance option makes them less interesting as characters because you have to shoehorn a way for them to want to bang the MC after 3 talks where the possibility doesn't come up. Okay but your original assertion was: Junpei posted:I'm still more offended and annoyed by Camilla in Fates than anything Kaga ever did. Camilla wanting to bone the adopted-sibling-protagonist is a weird and uncomfortable character trait(which is shared on varying levels by every fates royal) but I'm really not sure how it can be more offensive than Kaga hanging entire plotlines around babies produced by mind control incest(remember FE4?) and the continual recurrence of stuff like pregnant 15 year olds as plot devices, even if you disregard some of the staggeringly awful side character plots like Tearring's infamous dancer girl or dirt-blackface-girl up there. Kanos fucked around with this message at 06:02 on Jan 26, 2022 |
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I agree, destroy Corrin.
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Clarste posted:I agree, destroy Corrin. This would improve Fates by a lot instantaneously, because Corrin is the worst character in Conquest by a country mile. They're okay in Birthright but that's mostly because Birthright's plot is so generic that they're pretty much Generic McHero.
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endorphs earlier comments got me to thinkin and now im wondering if removing corrin would actually make fates better??? like just hit backspace and make uhh i dunno xander or azura or smth the protag
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You could slide Azura into the protagonist slot pretty easily, especially because Azura has agency and goals.
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Junpei posted:Almost every character of the opposite sex having to have the Avatar as a romance option makes them less interesting as characters because you have to shoehorn a way for them to want to bang the MC after 3 talks where the possibility doesn't come up. Indeed, the same could be said of all Fire Emblem characters....,
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i think fates not having a weird mess of a writing process where they hired a famous manga writer and then rewrote most of what they gave them in a game that was split up into like 2+1 games would have made it better
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Okay that may have been hyperbolic/overblown, that comment. I apologize.
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