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thatfatkid
Feb 20, 2011

by Azathoth

Not So Fast posted:

The BBC and a bunch of foreign media got a bunch of escorted tours pre-Covid, when I think the CPC thought a PR blitz might just get them off their back

https://youtu.be/WmId2ZP3h0c

It's worth a watch for how ordinary it is, the sleeping conditions are drab but it's otherwise a standard boarding school, with some stuff like the dancing put on for the media.

lol the comments on that video are insane. insane libs clutching their pearls at the horrific sight of people dancing.

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Pener Kropoopkin
Jan 30, 2013

Asproigerosis posted:

My great grandparents were from galicia, how much should I care about ukraine getting steamrolled? (Great grandfather was a tsarist cossack if that helps)

not at all

XMNN
Apr 26, 2008
I am incredibly stupid

quote:

‘CURE’ FOR EXTREMIST BELIEFS

A 25-year-old Uyghur named Quban Jan, from western China, said he chose to come to the centre as it was necessary for him to eliminate his extremist opinions.

He said Uyghurs like him were free to make their own decisions and all of them had chosen to leave home to come to the centre.

He said his days at Shule were spent in the classroom learning Mandarin, China’s law and regulations, and vocational skills of his choice.

After class, he was free to carry out any activity, such as playing basketball within a walled courtyard at the centre.

“With the vocational skills, I hope to get a stable job when I re-enter society.”

Why is he at the centre?

“I read some texts about religious extremism on my mobile phone and I kept them. After reading them, I spread the extremist opinions through QQ and WeChat (China’s social media platforms).”

He insisted on finishing his story even though journalists wanted to ask him other questions.

“The passages mainly stated that Muslims should find opportunities to kill pagans (non-Muslims) or drive them away from our land.

“After reading those comments, I wondered how I could deal with so many pagans.

“So that was why I spread the message.

“I had also searched ‘self-made bombs’ on the Internet.”

With a small frame and neat haircut, Quban does not look like someone who would buy matches, fireworks, batteries and other materials to make a bomb.

However, he was discovered by police in his village, who told him that what he was doing was illegal.

Quban, who has been at the centre for almost a year, said he was never sent to jail for what he did and the police never arrested him for it.

He said he applied to the government to join the centre.

Quban, like the 1,000 other Uyghur Muslims living at Shule, said they were there voluntarily to be “cured” of their extremist beliefs, even though they had never committed any violent act.
Assuming this guy hasn't been completely brainwashed into making this whole story up, in the UK he would be put in prison for like 10 years just for looking at and sharing those materials, and for life for buying materials to build a bomb.

e: not that I think he has been brainwashed, just if this story is remotely accurate this man would never leave a British prison

also he would probably have been prompted to build the bomb by his mi5 handler

XMNN has issued a correction as of 10:57 on Jan 26, 2022

30.5 Days
Nov 19, 2006
I'm over here lollin that china actually won the war on terror.

gradenko_2000
Oct 5, 2010

HELL SERPENT
Lipstick Apathy
https://twitter.com/DeanoBeano1/status/1485970165426757634
https://twitter.com/DeanoBeano1/status/1485618538031288321
https://twitter.com/TimSingSkyNews/status/1485739464316047362

Dean O'Brien is a pro-follow for on-the-ground reporting in Ukraine in general

my bony fealty
Oct 1, 2008

if drinking and dancing are what counts as genocide now then sign me up

mawarannahr
May 21, 2019
Probation
Can't post for 9 hours!

thatfatkid posted:

lol the comments on that video are insane. insane libs clutching their pearls at the horrific sight of people dancing.

meanwhile in America

https://twitter.com/adamfriedland/status/1196540871967199232?s=21

Falstaff
Apr 27, 2008

I have a kind of alacrity in sinking.

sum posted:

Brother you need to deradicalize your stupid rear end out of thinking you're PR for World Socialism. These are exactly the arguments reactionaries make about residency schools in Canada. China did bad thing I'm sorry

A few pages back, but I have to speak to this.

The residential schools in Canada forcibly removed children hundreds of miles from their homes and families, denied them the right to speak their native tongues under the threat of corporal punishment, conducted medical experiments on them, and was rife with widespread abuse that the government knew about but ignored because those kids didn't matter (and the documented motivation for them was to deal with the "Indian problem" anyway so who cares?) The death rates in those schools were through the roof (1/4 on average according to the best report we have on the topic during the height of the residential school era; one school's death rate was 69 percent.)

Though I keep seeing people trying to compare Xinjiang and Canada, the fact is they really aren't comparable.

crepeface
Nov 5, 2004

r*p*f*c*

thatfatkid posted:

lol the comments on that video are insane. insane libs clutching their pearls at the horrific sight of people dancing.

remembering this absolute braingenius
in the beginning of the cspam auspol thread:

Centusin posted:

i know there's no point in saying this but typically people celebrate Eid al-Fitr by praying inside or outside of mosques not dancing outside of them so I would say that video shows no footage of anybody actually properly celebrating Eid. It's almost like they couldn't record footage of people performing Salat or reciting Takbir because it didn't happen

mawarannahr
May 21, 2019
Probation
Can't post for 9 hours!

crepeface posted:

remembering this absolute braingenius
in the beginning of the cspam auspol thread:

lol




in many parts of Turkey it’s customary to crack open a bottle of mint liqueur on that day after a month of Ramadan.

I think some people watch too much TV and think Muslims either be praying or blowing stuff up.

Doktor Avalanche
Dec 30, 2008

XMNN posted:

Assuming this guy hasn't been completely brainwashed into making this whole story up, in the UK he would be put in prison for like 10 years just for looking at and sharing those materials, and for life for buying materials to build a bomb.

e: not that I think he has been brainwashed, just if this story is remotely accurate this man would never leave a British prison

also he would probably have been prompted to build the bomb by his mi5 handler

this has to be fake because the scene of him calling one of these centers and going "hello, the police told me terrorism is illegal so i would like to get rid of these thoughts, please" is hilarious

gradenko_2000
Oct 5, 2010

HELL SERPENT
Lipstick Apathy


...

Pener Kropoopkin
Jan 30, 2013

Doctor Jeep posted:

this has to be fake because the scene of him calling one of these centers and going "hello, the police told me terrorism is illegal so i would like to get rid of these thoughts, please" is hilarious

I dunno. Guys who get into terrorism tend to be really dumb. Even the seemingly normal middle class dudes who gravitate to terrorism are deficient in some of their thinking.

In the UK or USA he would've been entrapped and sent to gitmo.

brugroffil
Nov 30, 2015


crepeface posted:

when i went back to find that post about international observers in xinjiang i found this old banger by a canadian uyghur activist

https://twitter.com/karlosmarcus/status/1198937453924470784?s=20

Training child soldiers

brugroffil
Nov 30, 2015


Some Guy TT posted:

https://mobile.twitter.com/JChengWSJ/status/1485817451531186177

i like the unsubtle way the media discusses this pla fighters as if they were this random unprovoked thing that happened out of nowhere with comments about the american carrier group relegated to a mostly irrelevant footnote

I've been told that military movements such as these by the US are signs of imminent invasion

Honky Mao
Dec 26, 2012

Spinning bowties ought to realize that dropping the genocide bar low enough to push the Uighur poo poo has some very damning implications about the actions of the US government

Lyndon LaRouche
Sep 5, 2006

by Azathoth

SorePotato posted:

Spinning bowties ought to realize that dropping the genocide bar low enough to push the Uighur poo poo has some very damning implications about the actions of the US government

Lol when has blatant hypocrisy ever stopped American imperialism?

AnimeIsTrash
Jun 30, 2018

paul_soccer12 posted:

Someone should s that guy in the h with a g

(USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)

what if instead he's eating fish and dies because of a small fishbone?

Not So Fast
Dec 27, 2007


Doctor Jeep posted:

this has to be fake because the scene of him calling one of these centers and going "hello, the police told me terrorism is illegal so i would like to get rid of these thoughts, please" is hilarious

It's probably a bit of a varnished narrative for how he turned away from extremism, the implication I've seen used by Daniel Dumbrill's commentary on this is that the voluntary programs are used as a safety net before they get anywhere near serious extremism. But XMMN is correct in that how he's getting treated is far better than the UK anti-extremism program would have treated him.

Pryor on Fire
May 14, 2013

they don't know all alien abduction experiences can be explained by people thinking saving private ryan was a documentary

How NYT handles you when you don't support war:



can't believe those pussies in germany are struggling so much and so muddled in their thinking

Honky Mao
Dec 26, 2012

Lyndon LaRouche posted:

Lol when has blatant hypocrisy ever stopped American imperialism?

Never but the fools bumbling in here should feel stupid, the rancid Falun Goons

fart simpson
Jul 2, 2005

DEATH TO AMERICA
:xickos:

people usually don’t die from fishbones in the throat. they eventually dissolve or you swallow them or a doctor can take them out

gradenko_2000
Oct 5, 2010

HELL SERPENT
Lipstick Apathy
Look the NYT wanting Germany to get involved in Eastern Europe is by now practically a tradition

HiroProtagonist
May 7, 2007

crepeface posted:

remembering this absolute braingenius
in the beginning of the cspam auspol thread:

Uighur muslims in Xinjiang have their own culture in which dancing figures heavily lol

i'm not even bothering to link a source to dignify this idiot, but maybe try talking to some people from xinjiang lmfao

Palladium
May 8, 2012

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gradenko_2000 posted:

Look the NYT wanting Germany to get involved in Eastern Europe is by now practically a tradition

germans: is destroying germany and the rest of europe through a war with russia a good thing

german atlanticists: yes

Frosted Flake
Sep 13, 2011

Semper Shitpost Ubique

I’m darkly curious about the fate of those British mercenaries because with the exception of Gurkhas and the French Foreign Legion they’re explicitly excluded from protections by the Hague and Geneva Conventions.

Western militaries are so used to these low intensity conflicts in the GWOT and using massive amounts of contractors, I don’t think anyone’s given it any thought. If they try to bring that model to Europe, or any conventional war really, they are exposing a huge number of their nationals to who-knows-what because they’ve decided not to use uniformed members of their militaries in these roles.

If The Russian Federation declared war on the Ukraine, Russian soldiers could shoot these contractors out of hand as Francs-tireurs and mercenaries and still be completely within the laws of armed conflict. Someone should probably tell those Squaddies that.

Palladium
May 8, 2012

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Frosted Flake posted:

I’m darkly curious about the fate of those British mercenaries because with the exception of Gurkhas and the French Foreign Legion they’re explicitly excluded from protections by the Hague and Geneva Conventions.

Western militaries are so used to these low intensity conflicts in the GWOT and using massive amounts of contractors, I don’t think anyone’s given it any thought. If they try to bring that model to Europe, or any conventional war really, they are exposing a huge number of their nationals to who-knows-what because they’ve decided not to use uniformed members of their militaries in these roles.

If The Russian Federation declared war on the Ukraine, Russian soldiers could shoot these contractors out of hand as Francs-tireurs and mercenaries and still be completely within the laws of armed conflict. Someone should probably tell those Squaddies that.

schoolyard bullies are well known to not bully the weak while standing their ground against stronger opponents

mawarannahr
May 21, 2019
Probation
Can't post for 9 hours!
i was trying to find some cool apps and a search led me to Reddit, where people love talking about their favorite apps. I wasn’t really expecting to find this:

https://old.reddit.com/r/macapps/comments/scx3nf/will_users_of_readdlespark_and_macpawsetapp_be posted:


Will **USERS** of Readdle/Spark and MacPaw/Setapp be affected if Russia invades Ukraine?

NOTE: THIS IS **NOT** A POST ABOUT POLITICS OR INTERNATIONAL RELATIONS. IT IS A QUESTION ABOUT EFFECTS—IF ANY—ON SOFTWARE **USERS**.

[Readdle](https://techukraine.org/portfolio/readdle-we-wake-up-to-change-lives/) (Spark, PDF Expert, etc.) and [MacPaw](https://www.ukraineitnow.com/company/macpaw/) (Setapp, Clean My Mac, etc.) are both [Ukrainian](https://techcrunch.com/2018/10/12/readdles-denys-zhadanov-to-talk-about-bootstrapping-at-disrupt-berlin/) [companies](https://macpaw.com/about).

The current saber-rattling has me wondering whether or not users of these products might be affected if Russia invades Ukraine, and if so, how.

If the answer is yes, Spark might be of particular concern, given that AFAIK Readdle retains the encryption keys for emails stored and automatically processed on their servers so they can provide Spark’s special features to users.

Where are those servers located? If they’re outside Ukraine, do any personnel in Ukraine have access to the encryption keys? If so, they could almost certainly be forced by local authorities—or occupying forces—to provide access to the encrypted data.

It may be, of course, that user data and encryption keys are only stored in user’s own countries or regions—in the US or the EU, for example.

But which is it?

And even if users’ confidential data wouldn’t be at risk, would service be disrupted? Would Setapp users, for example, still be able to download apps?

I’d be particularly interested in seeing any verifiable FACTS anyone might have about this, backed up by sources.

Once again, please avoid getting into which country or countries are to blame for the current crisis. I’m only trying to find out information about these corporations and possible effects—if any—on the users of their apps.

well it really is the case that the mail app I started to use last week is located in Odessa. they’re probably gonna see a lot of subscriptions cancelled. that’s too bad. I’ll keep the accessibility and screen recording permissions on to support them in this time.

Cao Ni Ma
May 25, 2010



Thinking about that crashed f35 again and another reason why they probably wont give one to taiwan anytime soon is that they will undoubtly crash land one in the ocean right next to China's coast and China will get to it before taiwan can.

AnimeIsTrash
Jun 30, 2018

fart simpson posted:

people usually don’t die from fishbones in the throat. they eventually dissolve or you swallow them or a doctor can take them out

but what if?

Frosted Flake
Sep 13, 2011

Semper Shitpost Ubique

Cao Ni Ma posted:

Thinking about that crashed f35 again and another reason why they probably wont give one to taiwan anytime soon is that they will undoubtly crash land one in the ocean right next to China's coast and China will get to it before taiwan can.

True story, that’s also how the PRC came to have IR Air-to-Air missiles. A ROC Sabre fired an early sidewinder, which was a dud and recovered. The USSR and PRC were able to copy the seeker, and IR missiles entered their inventories. They then went on to make much better IR sensors and seekers than the US, which is pretty funny.

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May 8, 2012

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Cao Ni Ma posted:

Thinking about that crashed f35 again and another reason why they probably wont give one to taiwan anytime soon is that they will undoubtly crash land one in the ocean right next to China's coast and China will get to it before taiwan can.

IMO when US carrier groups are moving away from china is the moment we should be actually worried of war

Pener Kropoopkin
Jan 30, 2013

Frosted Flake posted:

I’m darkly curious about the fate of those British mercenaries because with the exception of Gurkhas and the French Foreign Legion they’re explicitly excluded from protections by the Hague and Geneva Conventions.

Western militaries are so used to these low intensity conflicts in the GWOT and using massive amounts of contractors, I don’t think anyone’s given it any thought. If they try to bring that model to Europe, or any conventional war really, they are exposing a huge number of their nationals to who-knows-what because they’ve decided not to use uniformed members of their militaries in these roles.

If The Russian Federation declared war on the Ukraine, Russian soldiers could shoot these contractors out of hand as Francs-tireurs and mercenaries and still be completely within the laws of armed conflict. Someone should probably tell those Squaddies that.

It's in a country's own self interest to get all of their mercenaries killed rather than letting them come home. The last thing you want is a bunch of unscrupulous, combat hungry thrill seekers walking the streets.

The mercenaries themselves are enamored with the adventure too.

Ardennes
May 12, 2002

Frosted Flake posted:

True story, that’s also how the PRC came to have IR Air-to-Air missiles. A ROC Sabre fired an early sidewinder, which was a dud and recovered. The USSR and PRC were able to copy the seeker, and IR missiles entered their inventories. They then went on to make much better IR sensors and seekers than the US, which is pretty funny.

Also how China got access to the latest US torpedos.

Historically, China’s carrier program started up after Australia sold them a carrier for scrap with most of the equipment on board. The Soviets were able to reserve engineer the B-29 (and there by giving them a strategic nuclear capable bomber) after an emergency landing during the war.

It is just smart. (Also, to be clear, both China and the Soviets are developing their own domestic tech at the same time but that is how you compete).

Yeah, I don’t know how useful a crashes F-35 is since China already has a combat operational stealth fighter of their own but the fear is enough for the US to keep them in their hangers most of the time.

Ardennes has issued a correction as of 15:30 on Jan 26, 2022

deathbysnusnu
Feb 25, 2016


The crashed f-35 is a long con for the Chinese to recover it and reverse engineer a trillion dollar piece of garbage that will deplete their economy and pose zero threat in combat.

Cao Ni Ma
May 25, 2010



deathbysnusnu posted:

The crashed f-35 is a long con for the Chinese to recover it and reverse engineer a trillion dollar piece of garbage that will deplete their economy and pose zero threat in combat.

The thing that keeps military budget analysts awake at night is them getting the extremely expensive boondoggle and actually making it work and for cheaper than they ever could. Not an issue for the military industrial complex because now they can lobby some congressmen/senators to buy their new boondoggle thats better than the old one at twice the price.

DiscountDildos
Nov 8, 2017

Oh God I'm stupid about military equipment so I didn't realize that plane they crashed in the SCS was one of the big loving boondoggle planes that everyone always argues about

Lmao

Ardennes
May 12, 2002

Cao Ni Ma posted:

The thing that keeps military budget analysts awake at night is them getting the extremely expensive boondoggle and actually making it work and for cheaper than they ever could. Not an issue for the military industrial complex because now they can lobby some congressmen/senators to buy their new boondoggle thats better than the old one at twice the price.

Granted, while I am sure there are secrets to glean, at the same time Chinese tech is always there in many ways. I would say the fear is stripping any possible advantages away from the US by merging any useful tech into existing Chinese systems.

Cpt_Obvious
Jun 18, 2007

Cao Ni Ma posted:

The thing that keeps military budget analysts awake at night is them getting the extremely expensive boondoggle and actually making it work and for cheaper than they ever could. Not an issue for the military industrial complex because now they can lobby some congressmen/senators to buy their new boondoggle thats better than the old one at twice the price.

Worried about stolen F-35 technology? Time to buy our brand new F-36! It has racing stripes!

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sullat
Jan 9, 2012

Pener Kropoopkin posted:

It's in a country's own self interest to get all of their mercenaries killed rather than letting them come home. The last thing you want is a bunch of unscrupulous, combat hungry thrill seekers walking the streets.

The mercenaries themselves are enamored with the adventure too.

During the 100 years war the English and French signed a truce, and so the French told their mercenaries that they didn't need them any more, could they please go away? Instead the mercenaries settled down and set themselves up as bandits and terrorized the countryside worse than the English. So the French, thinking quickly, invaded Asturias and Switzerland for the main purpose of sending the mercenaries off somewhere else to die. Both expeditions were soundly thrashed, so it was a success.

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