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ThomasPaine posted:To a point but I'd want to make the bastards work for it for my own satisfaction. And having that position gives you a platform, however small. There's a lot more you can do with a small amount of influence than you can with none. I was going to say, what better platform than MP you wally? But ah... yeah
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What I love about the current inflationary bubble is it's pure price gouging; it's capitalism at its purest but noone is saying that. If any vaguely leftwing government was in power when this was happening this would be blamed on the big state and all that bullshit.
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Does it still cost the same to register here? thats been 10bux since like 2001? If so it should be $15.75 now
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Miftan posted:At this rate it feels like the only way that house prices/rent won't keep going up is if the whole system collapses. I forget which country's government it was that explicitly came out and said "It is now our policy that house prices should never fall". Was it New Zealand maybe? Can anybody remember? I'm absolutely sure I saw it (probably ITT) but can't now find it.
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It was the UK.
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NotJustANumber99 posted:Does it still cost the same to register here? thats been 10bux since like 2001? The forums has been a deflationary spiral for many years now. Tbh it makes sense - an older account has prestige, therefore is more valuable
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https://twitter.com/JimMFelton/status/1486434327827255304 e: oops, was meant to have posted this https://twitter.com/KateEMcCann/status/1486434102127607810 fuctifino fucked around with this message at 22:43 on Jan 26, 2022 |
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I went there and head boy didn't look anything like that
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Aaron Bastani is hit and miss sometimes but I think he's on the money here https://twitter.com/AaronBastani/status/1486415970461794305?s=19
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Lungboy posted:Isn't Pidcock a terf, or at least dangerously close? IIRC she’s come close to TERFiness but not quite clearly strayed into it, but never clarified her stance either
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ThomasPaine posted:Aaron Bastani is hit and miss sometimes but I think he's on the money here I disagree, the Labour left is doomed no matter what course it takes because the party is structured to defeat it. Better to walk away from a crooked game
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That would be a lot easier if it felt like there was anything to leave to. I feel like if nothing else the corbyn period does show the left can stand up for itself in the party given the chance. In the nicest possible way I think jam grandad, lovely bloke though he is, was largely responsible for his own defeat in 2019.
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Lungboy posted:Isn't Pidcock a terf, or at least dangerously close? Difficult to know exactly what she thinks. She said this: quote:The women’s movement needs the space to talk about sex and gender, without fear of being ‘no platformed’. We reserve that measure for fascists. and this: quote:I think that there has to be the enforcement of single-space exemptions for women to heal and recover; and it is absolutely crucial that there are spaces, that there is provision, for trans people to also get the help and support they need. Which are both dodgy... But also this: https://twitter.com/LauraPidcock/status/963548949218058240?s=20
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The sooner the left abandon Labour, the sooner some genuinely socialist representation can rise from the ashes. There's no rescuing the party. It's hosed.
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fuctifino posted:The sooner the left abandon Labour, the sooner some genuinely socialist representation can rise from the ashes. 100% this. Reasoned argument aside, people need to have some loving dignity and stop dancing to the enemy's drum.
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UKIP and the other brexit parties, the most successful political upstarts in recent memory never really achieved any actual direct power in Westminster, they did it in the public eye, the media, I guess alternative seats of power, but ultimately the change they wanted to see and were successful in seeing was enacted through the closest affiliated power in parliament. But we've done all this and it isn't directly comparable and we're hosed so...
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ThomasPaine posted:feel like if nothing else the corbyn period does show the left can stand up for itself in the party given the chance. It shows the left could when there was OMOV for leadership elections and then, with the power of leadership patronage, we could eventually just scrape a narrow majority on the NEC. But now we cannot get the leadership and therefore cannot get the NEC. It is over.
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NotJustANumber99 posted:UKIP and the other brexit parties, the most successful political upstarts in recent memory never really achieved any actual direct power in Westminster, they did it in the public eye, the media, I guess alternative seats of power, but ultimately the change they wanted to see and were successful in seeing was enacted through the closest affiliated power in parliament. Yes the big difference ofc us that these parties were cultivated with lots of right wing lunatic money and given generous airtime totally disproportionate to their position by a friendly media. You could have an insurgent left wing party three times the size UKIP ever was and it would be totally ignored, or at best given a few hostile interviews and dismissed as a stalinist holocaust trans vegan holocaust party. It's difficult to see where the left goes from here, esp if the unions/SCG aren't willing to jump ship and cut ties with labour.
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ThomasPaine posted:It's difficult to see where the left goes from here, esp if the unions/SCG aren't willing to jump ship and cut ties with labour. Torches and Pitchforks, Torches and Pitchforks. oh wait its the uk, bettter things blah blah.
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deano posted:Torches and Pitchforks, Torches and Pitchforks. oh wait its the uk, bettter things blah blah. I was actually going to say, sometimes it does feel like outright illegalism may be the only potential route out our current situation, but lol if you're going to find enough people ready to do that in the UK. I certainly wouldn't, officer.
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ThomasPaine posted:outright illegalism is what the current dudes in charge do though?
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What are your blokes thoughts on Jeremy Corbyn being barred from joining the New Labour Party
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Wizard Master posted:What are your blokes thoughts on Jeremy Corbyn being barred from joining the New Labour Party He shouldn't have killed all those Jews during the war
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Wizard Master posted:What are your blokes thoughts on Jeremy Corbyn being barred from joining the New Labour Party What do you do with all our regularly harvested views?
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Failed Imagineer posted:Tbh it makes sense - an older account has prestige, therefore is more valuable 
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Wizard Master posted:What are your blokes thoughts on Jeremy Corbyn being barred from joining the New Labour Party the ira is bad and terrorists and we should rule ireland to control those animals, colonialism was good, my favorite food is a toast sandwich, i actually do eat eels, i don't know what a dentist is, i'm effeminate but also a chav and i steal priceless artifacts for the British Museum i hate jeremy corbrin because he likes foreigners more than his own people and wants to give houses to murdering terror men
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Wizard Master posted:What are your blokes thoughts on Jeremy Corbyn being barred from joining the New Labour Party i love being a member of the IRA, OP.
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Julio Cruz posted:toast sandwiches are good actually Designed by Mrs Beeton as a recipe for an invalid: TOAST SANDWICH: RECIPE Ingredients: Thin cold toast, thin slices of bread-and-butter, pepper and salt to taste. 'Place a very thin piece of cold toast between two slices of thin bread-and-butter in the form of a sandwich, adding a seasoning of pepper and salt. This sandwich may be varied by adding a little pulled meat, or very fine slices of cold meat, to the toast, and in any of these forms will be found very tempting to the appetite of an invalid.' Source: Mrs Beeton's Book of Household Management, 1861
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so put other stuff in it and make it a scooby doo sandwich fair enough
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fuctifino posted:The sooner the left abandon Labour, the sooner some genuinely socialist representation can rise from the ashes. It's really disappointing that this high profile resignation from someone on the left wasn't packaged along with "and you, who believe yourself among the left, should withhold your vote and dues" but it's about what I've taken as standard anymore, both in the UK and stateside. If it's really that repulsive, why not propose it be destroyed?
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Epic High Five posted:It's really disappointing that this high profile resignation from someone on the left wasn't packaged along with "and you, who believe yourself among the left, should withhold your vote and dues" but it's about what I've taken as standard anymore, both in the UK and stateside. If it's really that repulsive, why not propose it be destroyed? Because she probably doesn't believe that. As far as I can tell she only quit the NEC, not the party.
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I pretty much agree with that. If Pidcock believes the Labour Party is a dead end, then she should leave the NEC and leave the party. If she believes that it's worth staying to fight on, her duty is to stay in her position and keep working towards the left getting increased leverage in the NEC. Abandoning the NEC but staying in the party just surrenders any power for change that she does have, to no benefit.
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Jamberry Crumpetbun
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Wizard Master posted:What are your blokes thoughts on What’s with this weird gimmick? Just read the thread. Or is it you are worried you might accidentally read a post by a non-bloke?
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