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Cleretic posted:And to clarify, Exodia himself can't be Ashed. So if you want to keep them off of Exodia by stopping Exodia itself, your only angle would be to somehow banish or GY one of the pieces and then knock back any way for them to get it back in hand. Can’t you just Droll Exodia decks instead of Ash?
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TheGreyGhost posted:Can’t you just Droll Exodia decks instead of Ash? You can, but Droll isn't a good card in best-of-one format. It's a sidedeck card you run to take out specific decks, it's not something you want to be maindecking.
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Jan 27, 2022 06:19
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Tangent topic, but Droll could actually be pretty good for maindeck if Eldlich isn't a dominant part of the ladder right now. The other top meta decks ie. Lyrilusc/Tri, Drytron, and Virtual World all don't like getting Droll'd.
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Hi guys so I heard enough raving about duel masters in magic threads that I gave it a try and first impression made it seem really bad. But I am open to being wrong and playing the right deck can alleviate a lot. I haven't spent any of my earned gems and only really played the blue eyes and monarch deck in the solo mode. The blue eyes deck made sense, either do the fair tribute thing or discard blue eyes to reanimate using the spell. On the other hand I couldn't get the monarch deck to flow. I was activating things and linking spells but it felt like I was spinning my wheels more than anything else. I think the last yugioh game I played was on the GBA or DS and i think that was already a stripped down version of paper for reference. So before I uninstall I figured I should try crafting a deck that I might like. On arena my two go to decks at the moment are spirits which is a tribal deck that tries to only play cards on your opponent's turn which I don't think is an option and the other is madness where you discard cards for cost reduction and get the benefit of the cards that forced the discard. Example would be, play a card that says "draw 2 cards discard a card", discard a card that says "if discarded you can play this card for 1 mana" (normally the discarded card would cost 3 mana). Is there anything like that out there? I'm generally okay playing lower power decks as long as it's not a "play 10 games win one type" situation
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MasterBuilder posted:Hi guys so I heard enough raving about duel masters in magic threads that I gave it a try and first impression made it seem really bad. But I am open to being wrong and playing the right deck can alleviate a lot. I haven't spent any of my earned gems and only really played the blue eyes and monarch deck in the solo mode. The blue eyes deck made sense, either do the fair tribute thing or discard blue eyes to reanimate using the spell. On the other hand I couldn't get the monarch deck to flow. I was activating things and linking spells but it felt like I was spinning my wheels more than anything else. I think the last yugioh game I played was on the GBA or DS and i think that was already a stripped down version of paper for reference. I think that second one sounds like Dark World. I don't know where they are in Master Duel or if they're any good in the modern game (I assume not), but they do exist.
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That second deck sounds a lot like Dark World, an archetype that revolves around monsters who have additional effects on discard. It's an old archetype though and I don't think they're very good nowadays. As for the first one, what do you mean by playing on the opponent's turn exactly? Trap-heavy decks will mostly be playing on the opponent's turn if that counts, and Eldlich is the face of Trap decks right now (and is one of the best decks around)
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Magical Musketeers are also a deck that does some disruption plays from hand during your opponents turn. Crystrons summon synchro monsters on your opponents turn, but they're probably even less competitive as muskets. Probably?
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The starter decks are not good but you can put together a strong deck using the starter gems. Remember that Yugioh's format is basically Legacy and it's moved on a very long way in terms of power level since 2004, you'll probably want to look up what modern decks look like. I'd personally recommend Sky Strikers since they have a straightforward control playstyle and only require 3 Ultra Rares that aren't widely played staple cards (one of which you'll probably open in Stalwart Force).
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So sounds like you want to play a control or midrange deck. Currently for control the big ones are eldlich and sky striker, both focus on powerful effects with high value, recyclable cards, both do a lot of their plays on the opponents turn and have simple gameplans more based on knowing your opponents deck than any complicated plays. Do remember though, Trying to find parallels in yugioh with MTG is hard since yugioh has no universal resource mechanic and that renders a lot of comparisons pointless. Or you could always go maximum go second unga bunga OTK, and theres several decks that allow that. Ancient Gears are always fun (though they have their rarities jacked up), Lunalights share a secret pack with Lyriluscs: Lunalights are "make a big indestructible monster" OTK, Lyriluscs are another control-midrangeish deck thats incredibly strong mixed with tribrigades. And Id highly recommend playing through solo mode to get more acquainted with the game, especially in the unlockable duels where they have you play (or play against) some interesting decks, usually a form of hybrid or alternative gameplan deck.
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Thanks for the suggestions. I'll give the solo games another shot and see if I can find a video of someone playing the Dark world deck.
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A bit late but yeah I would also recommend Sky Strikers if you like control and want a deck that is in meta (not top tier but still very good). You can play Dark World if you want but you won't win very often as it's probably not good enough to even be classified as rogue. MegaZeroX fucked around with this message at 14:32 on Jan 27, 2022 |
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MasterBuilder posted:Thanks for the suggestions. I'll give the solo games another shot and see if I can find a video of someone playing the Dark world deck. While it's by no means a current deck, if you want a taste of Dark World there's a Youtube series called The History of Yu-Gi-Oh where two guys play top-ranking decks from throughout the game's history, and the most recent episode actually did have one of them playing a Dark World deck from back when they were a surprise top competitor in 2012. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qILPyueVipk
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As an alternative to Dark World, Danger! also involves self discarding and is actually modern.
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Lord_Magmar posted:As an alternative to Dark World, Danger! also involves self discarding and is actually modern. Danger Dark World was a pretty good deck for a time. The synergy being that Dark World monsters only gain their effects if they are discarded for effect, not cost. So discarding off a Danger! monster works while something like Lightning Vortex does not, so do be considerate of that.
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If I had a dollar for every time I've gone "wait that's not once per turn???" and lost because of it... 
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 https://twitter.com/YuGiOh_TCG/status/1486748574813761541 Skill Drain beats lives!
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Forget Skill Drain, E-TELE IS BACK BABY!
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You can run 3 Raigeki now
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Nissin Cup Nudist posted:You can run 3 Raigeki now Yeah but no one will.
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Vandar posted:Yeah but no one will. TIGER TO ONE LUNALIGHTS BACK BAYBEEEEE
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year of the tiger starts early
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I dunno if Fusion Destiny to 2 will really impact DPE
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I'm pretty sure the AI cheats in the final gem kinghts duel. Opening hand Effect Veiler every single time 
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Vandar posted:Forget Skill Drain, E-TELE IS BACK BABY! Uh yeah, i have two in my power rangers deck already
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Well now you can run a third to get the Blue Ranger out more consistently! 
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The general reaction to Monster Gate's limiting makes me realize that if I were doing banlists, I'd randomly limit cards nobody is playing just to get people thinking about them. Surely, putting Lava Golem to one means someone's using it for a combo somewhere, we just have to figure it out!
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The going theory I've seen for Monster Gate's limiting is because it sets up Machina Ruinforce way too easily and that's something they want to nip in the bud now before it becomes an issue.
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mandatory lesbian posted:Uh yeah, i have two in my power rangers deck already Which of the power rangers decks are you power rangering?
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Charles Bukowski posted:Which of the power rangers decks are you power rangering? Is there a power rangers other then super quant?
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Well them inzektors are like power rangers (I swear if you, yes you, mention Sentai I will loving riot), and also heroes are kinda like power rangers (yeah yeah Guyver, come at me), those other generic insects like C Ranger and such, those elemental ninjas are like when they went to the Ninja planet in the 1st movie after Ivan merc'd old white man Zordon.
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Charles Bukowski posted:Well them inzektors are like power rangers (I swear if you, yes you, mention Sentai I will loving riot) "Kamen Rider." The series you're looking for is "Kamen Rider." Edit: Inzektor Hornet is just Kamen Rider Thebee with the serial numbers filed off, and the other comparisons aren't far off, either. girl dick energy fucked around with this message at 05:31 on Jan 28, 2022 |
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girl dick energy posted:"Kamen Rider." The series you're looking for is "Kamen Rider." As are Masked Heroes, which are even less subtle about it.
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Inzektors are specifically Kamen Rider Kabuto while Masked HERO is more generic Rider stuff. Super Quants are Super Sentai themed. The original Elemental HERO are American superheroes. Destiny HERO are supposed to be British things but they kind of lost the plot on that one a long time ago.
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Pff they're all Beetleborgs
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Beetleborgs are part of the Metal Heroes franchise, and those don't have a Yugioh counterpart yet.
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And then you have multiple Machine archetypes that will seemingly randomly have a Fusion or XYZ or other Extra Deck type monster or two that is a very blatant riff on Brave and Sentai style robots Though now that's got me thinking of the weirdness that is how Dinomists are completely lacking any Extra Deck type monsters(not counting the way regular Pendulums can interact with the Extra Deck as a graveyard replacement), but then again Dinomists are an oddly tiny and short lived archetype in general, especially for a Machine type one, which is a drat shame because both aesthetically and in how they play* they're one of my favorite modern archetypes and it irritates me that they're basically all but unplayable in the modern format unless you hybridize them with another type of deck which often results in some dull abomination that they're barely present in *they're a perfect model for how I feel the game should be balanced around, that being "beatsticks with a few gimmicks to keep things interesting" rather than how it's currently balanced around "OTK solitaire where the goal is to waste 20 minutes of your opponent's life while keeping them from interacting with the game at all if possible"
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Wait, if all the other HERO subtypes are different countries of superhero, what are Vision HEROes?
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Cleretic posted:Wait, if all the other HERO subtypes are different countries of superhero, what are Vision HEROes? Vision HEROes are from the future.
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I like how diverse the modern meta game actually is. Really hoping this new list doesn’t strangle that.
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There's way more decks that are meta in goat or Edison or reaper or etc than in modern I think?
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