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The more homeless celebrities there are, the more the media will treat the homeless as people with names and faces. I say the entire cast of Coronation Street should live in the street. e: 123 is the telephone number of the speaking clock for the correct time in the United Kingdom
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OwlFancier posted:If anything that logic applies more to almost any other job, as I don't think that coronation street actors are a particularly inelastic commodity. I disagree, its poo poo when they change the actor
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OwlFancier posted:If anything that logic applies more to almost any other job, as I don't think that coronation street actors are a particularly inelastic commodity. https://twitter.com/archivetvmus71/status/1485960656645931014 TIL Jean Luc Picard was on Coronation Street
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NotJustANumber99 posted:I disagree, its poo poo when they change the actor Still reeling from when Home and Away introduced the new Pippa at breakfast, sometime in 1991 or thereabouts. Also, great P-Stew content
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big scary monsters posted:photos of swooping birds  NotJustANumber99 posted:I disagree, its poo poo when they change the actor
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Nenonen posted:I say the entire cast of Coronation Street should live in the street. I think it's an indoor set, sadly.
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Guavanaut posted:Imagine how they'd look if they evolved to fly without wings. Nice NERF ball.
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sinky posted:Getting racists/homophobes/etc fired === 'culture war bullshit' ThomasPaine posted:I don't think it should be particularly controversial to say that encouraging bourgeois class violence is not a particularly ideal strategy for a socialist to be employing. Please also include how using physical violence to intimidate someone is an option for everyone, or is in any way more virtuous than sitting on a dead comedy forum and typing 'I'm glad that dickhead off Corrie got sacked for being a jab nonce." I may not be the sharpest tool in the thread but I am really not sure that any of the terms you're using apply how you think they do. ThomasPaine posted:Class solidarity has to trump everything, always. Viewing the world through a marxist lens is useful, just make sure it's actually a marxist lens and not an eyepatch with CLASS SOLIDARITY written on it in big pen. Julio Cruz posted:the more antivaxxers who end up on the street the better imo
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Bobby Deluxe posted:I may not be the sharpest tool in the thread but I am really not sure that any of the terms you're using apply how you think they do. you're consistently one of the sharpest, actually
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Bobby Deluxe posted:Please define 'class violence' in a way that fits a relatively well-off, property owning actor It says in the article he couldn't pay his rent.
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JeremoudCorbynejad posted:Nice NERF ball. So majestic.
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There is a very easy and consequence free way for the man to get his life back and that is just to take the loving shot.
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But the vaccines could be thalidomide it's very bad actually to pressure people into getting vaccines, the worst thing, I lie awake at night in fear that someone might get too many vaccines.
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He didn't lose work because he won't get vaccinated. He lost work because he's become an antivax warrior and social media influencer.
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Lmao lost my easy as gently caress job because I couldn't stop posting, a tale as old as time
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Bobby Deluxe posted:Please define 'class violence' in a way that fits a relatively well-off, property owning actor being fired for having dickhead views, using his platform to spread his dickhead views, in the middle of a national and international situation that makes those views actively detrimental to public health, especially the health of workers on low pay or without work. I'm opposed to medical authoritarianism and I don't think criminally-enforced lockdowns or vaccine mandates set a particularly good or cool precedent. I've been quite consistent on that, but whatever, no point rehashing something we fundamentally disagree on and have already yelled at each other plenty about. Anyway, I already admitted that the article in question about the actor was a bad example, because being fired =/= not being offered work as a freelancer, but as I said I have seen examples of people in contract employment for private companies being let go for the same reason - not necessarily being openly antivax, but just being unable/unwilling to prove their vaccination status. I was also being a bit flippant about physical 'violence', the point was that there are alternative ways to hold people accountable for their actions without going tattling to their bosses. Class solidarity doesn't mean letting people get away with whatever bullshit, it means not eroding collective security/labour rights by appointing employers as judge jury and executioner. And yes, the clerk you mention was fired for not doing his job, which is a bit of a different ballgame, but no I don't think the estate agent should have been fired (anymore than all estate agents should be thrown off the white cliffs of dover), though he should have faced the consequences anyone else would for harassing someone in the street. The only reason he lost his job was because he did it to someone more powerful than him, people do far worse to each other in pub carparks across the country on a daily basis. That's not ok, but there's a reason they rarely have to worry about being sacked for it. I worry that we're losing sight of the forest for the trees in our desire for cathartic individual punishment. e: vvv Yes, that's exactly what I'm saying, good job ThomasPaine fucked around with this message at 18:04 on Jan 27, 2022 |
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Because of course I only have a very limited supply of spite and there is a real danger I might expend it all on random people and have none left for rich people. After all you see, violence happens on large scales, and thus it is actually wrong care about it happening on small scales too. If someone stabs you to death they shouldn't go to jail for it because boris johnson is not yet in jail, you see.
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happyhippy posted:https://twitter.com/archivetvmus71/status/1485960656645931014 This is like when Alan Partridge or Toast make jokes about what they were getting up to in the 60s to make the characters seem even more ancient except for reals
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big scary monsters posted:Anyway here are pictures of some red kites that I took when I was in Scotland around Christmas. Went to a feeding site and there were at least 50 of them flying around, swooping in to grab chunks of meat, and sitting in the trees digesting.  it's really nice to see them flourishingGuavanaut posted:Imagine how they'd look if they evolved to fly without wings.  please, i'm begging you, never again
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happyhippy posted:https://twitter.com/archivetvmus71/status/1485960656645931014 I refuse to believe this isn't a cut Star Trek TNG scene with Picard playing around on the holodeck again
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Prole posted:Yeah, that's just what we need: more homeless people, especially those vulnerable to Covid. Bravo. Very left wing of you. I genuinely can't tell if this is a shitpost or not
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ThomasPaine posted:The only reason he lost his job was because he did it to someone more powerful than him, people do far worse to each other in pub carparks across the country on a daily basis. That's not ok, but there's a reason they rarely have to worry about being sacked for it. ThomasPaine posted:I worry that we're losing sight of the forest for the trees in our desire for cathartic individual punishment. We laugh at Laurence Fox's divorce. Two of my friends are divorced. I don't laugh at them about it or mock them on twitter, because one escaped an emotionally abusive marriage when she finally got bored and moved on to someone else, and the other was a bit of a knob (not abusive, just very inattentive) and his ex left when she discovered she was very non-binary. Laurence Fox however lost his family by being an objectionable dick, and he continues to be an obvectionanle dick, while also complaining about the divorce. I can maintain a consistent position between these polarities because it's not the divorce that is the problem - Fox being a twat is the problem, and the divorce then becomes an extra facet to the comedy. Similarly with the Corrie actor, he's being a knob and spreading misinformation during a pandemic. If anything counts as shouting fire in a crowded theatre, it's this. I don't count this under class solidarity because the attack on him is not a facet of his class, it's a facet of his dickhead opinion. Again, class solidarity to people who lose their jobs from an attack on their position by the bourgeoise when the worker threatens the position and wealth of the booj. But that's not what's happening here.
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Only the best and brightest go into political journalism https://twitter.com/shippersunbound/status/1486682193439207429?s=21
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ThomasPaine posted:I'm opposed to medical authoritarianism and I don't think criminally-enforced lockdowns or vaccine mandates set a particularly good or cool precedent. I've been quite consistent on that, but whatever, no point rehashing something we fundamentally disagree on and have already yelled at each other plenty about. This would all make a lot more sense as an argument if he'd been fired for refusing a vaccine or was ambushed with a cake, except that isn't the case here at all. He didn't get his contract renewed with Granada, and people were less willing to hire him, because he was being an obnoxious arsehole. It doesn't actually matter what he was being an arsehole about, the end result of your line of thinking is that it's somehow violence that Mel Gibson is getting less leading man roles these days. You've previously argued against mandatory vaccination which is also a bloody stupid opinion to me, but it's at least something that can be argued back and forth over - but this particular story isn't the hill to die on. So leaving aside the arguments about this actor, and about covid altogether, to take the heat out of the argument - were the State of New York right to indefinitely detain Mary Mallon? If not, what other measures should they have used, if any?
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Noxville posted:Only the best and brightest go into political journalism Seems worth noting that he didn't even figure this out himself, some commenters to the original tweet had to tell him
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goddamnedtwisto posted:This would all make a lot more sense as an argument if he'd been fired for refusing a vaccine or was ambushed with a cake, except that isn't the case here at all. He didn't get his contract renewed with Granada, and people were less willing to hire him, because he was being an obnoxious arsehole. It doesn't actually matter what he was being an arsehole about, the end result of your line of thinking is that it's somehow violence that Mel Gibson is getting less leading man roles these days. Did you read the post you quoted? I literally say in black and white right there: quote:I already admitted that the article in question about the actor was a bad example, because being fired =/= not being offered work as a freelancer, but as I said I have seen examples of people in contract employment for private companies being let go for the same reason - not necessarily being openly antivax, but just being unable/unwilling to prove their vaccination status. But yes, you're right, let's all cool off for a bit. I actually know next to nothing about Typhoid Mary but I guess that's going to be my light reading for tonight.
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JeremoudCorbynejad posted:Free homes should be given to anyone who gets vaccinated and admits that trans women are women and is willing to spare a room to a refugee though, Would make far more sense than the song and dance of "Priority Need" and "Intentional Homelessness" the law makes people dance through to get local authority homelessness assistance TBH.
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ThomasPaine posted:Did you read the post you quoted? I literally say in black and white right there: The Wikipedia article has all you really need (as long as you fully absorb it) - the one thing that's almost never mentioned in discussion of her is the simple fact that as a single woman in the early 20th century there were almost no jobs that could keep her off the streets, and cooking was the only one she could actually do. But that's the key thing that takes it from a simple "Bad woman lock her up" situation to probably one the most important cases in public health (and wider arguments about liberty versus authority).
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goddamnedtwisto posted:The Wikipedia article has all you really need (as long as you fully absorb it) - the one thing that's almost never mentioned in discussion of her is the simple fact that as a single woman in the early 20th century there were almost no jobs that could keep her off the streets, and cooking was the only one she could actually do. But that's the key thing that takes it from a simple "Bad woman lock her up" situation to probably one the most important cases in public health (and wider arguments about liberty versus authority). Seems like they could have achieved the same thing as quarantine if they just paid her a wage to do nothing, which would be a lot cheaper than prison. Glad things have moved on since then.
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Convex posted:just in case anyone was wondering how this all ended up Is that a mitigating factor? If I'm ever up in the dock I'm gonna use excerpts from my long posting career to demonstrate that I can't be tried as an adult
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Convex posted:Chew sang “West Ham till I die” as he was led away. so I guess we won't be seeing twisto for a few weeks then
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Julio Cruz posted:so I guess we won't be seeing twisto for a few weeks then Definitely not me, I wouldn't hug anyone. Also gently caress you for suggesting I'm from Essex. (TBH Chelmsford, and singing a song not heard at West Ham since a decade before he was born, strongly suggests he's one of those second- or third-generation "cockneys" that won't shut the gently caress up about the Krays and pie and mash and the ICF despite only traveling beyond the North Circular for a night at Tiger Tiger)
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Regarding the corrie antivaxx guy theres a couple of things worth noting: He never mentions a mortgage on his 4 bed family home, he just said he couldn't pay 'rent'. He also never mentions anyone else living with him in said 4 bed family home. Secondly he says he spent all his savings attending anti vaccine protests. One of which he was arrested at trying to storm the MHRA's headquarters to stop them approving vaccines. He's a prick who spread fear and misinformation during a pandemic and squandered his modest fortune to do so. He's also sleeping in a friends spare room, not literally sleeping rough so i don't feel a little bit bad for him.
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Convex posted:Man with ‘delayed maturity’ adds up imo
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Convex posted:just in case anyone was wondering how this all ended up dudes rock
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goddamnedtwisto posted:One of those second- or third-generation "cockneys" that won't shut the gently caress up about the Krays The kray twins had a fight in my parents house, before they owned it. And I've picked my mum up from nightclubs in Chelmsford.
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