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Saros posted:As opposed to what, an underground tunnel? yes
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Progressive JPEG posted:And pedestrians. Also cut all of the at-grade crossings. Hope you weren't expecting any deliveries deprioritising cars means that there'll be no capacity left for these things lol! Progressive JPEG posted:Hear me out, but what if there was some kind of... third dimension... where we could put our trains so that they don't have to be so tiny and useless? (text me) is there any additional cost associated with putting things in this "third dimension"? is it as easy to get into and out of stations compared to if they were on the surface? some basic questions we might ask i dunno man, between all this and you thinking that light rail is just "busses for white people" it's almost like you're a moron who doesn't know anything about the subject
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Ghostlight posted:at least in a tunnel rocks fall and you die. in a suspended monorail you'll fall. tbh i wasn't even thinking about death scenarios, but just swinging around in that thing i'd literally poo poo myself
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Comrade Blyatlov posted:I mean, you could say anything instead of just scoffing? Ok fine: this project is a gigantic waste of time and money and exists only to square the circle between the need to look like they're Doing Something and the need to give construction firms money. It will achieve nothing for the material conditions of anyone who matters (so non-landlords), it will also defer actually fixing Auckland's transport system even further. More anecdotally: light rail is notorious as a stereotypical idiotic public works project that achieves nothing. I would be interested to read about any successful examples of light rail outside of china, who don't count because they actually want to do things, to compare this cluster gently caress to. If you've got em bust em out. bobbilljim posted:I was more talking about this, the train thing is whatever Right I see, same answer anyway.
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bike tory posted:
continuing on the dumbest and most privileged opinion i see (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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but how will this go down in The Regions?
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https://www.greaterauckland.org.nz/2016/08/10/lrt-the-seattle-example/
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Tunnelled. 
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redleader posted:but how will this go down in The Regions? Who knows/who cares, they wouldn't be able to get to Wellington or Auckland without their cars anyway.
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Progressive JPEG posted:Tunnelled. quote:The route is a mix of grade separated right of way with a mix of tunnels and bridges, median running and in the city centre it shares one tunnel with buses. Below is an image from Streetview showing Martin Luther King Jr Way which a 6.2km long section of median running and is similar to what we can expect along Dominion Rd. As you can see it is not mixed with traffic and the rail is separated from the road by a small kerb. Access across the tracks at intersections is controlled by lights. 
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From right at the end: quote:For me the key is not the name of the mode but how it’s designed. The pressure that needs to be applied to Auckland Transport, the council and the government is to provide the funding needed as soon as possible and to ensure that it’s implemented to the level advertised in the video above (or better). Light or heavy, it’s still rail to the airport. Excellent.
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BARONS CYBER SKULL posted:continuing on the dumbest and most privileged opinion i see Mate you're the one who aligns with Simeon Brown on this issue so I'm not sure you're in any position to criticise. (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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Full business case is online now btw https://www.lightrail.co.nz/media/5n4pkk5b/alr-indicative-business-case_web-copy.pdf
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I was hoping for a Dom Rd route personally but hey it's rail to the Airport just like a real city should have so better decades late than never. Does it say exactly where the tunnel will end?
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bike tory posted:Who knows/who cares, they wouldn't be able to get to Wellington or Auckland without their cars anyway. typical big city snob. only interested in sipping lattes in their office job working in finance. totally disconnected; no idea of how real new zealand feels about things
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bike tory posted:Mate you're the one who aligns with Simeon Brown on this issue so I'm not sure you're in any position to criticise. You’ve already been warned in this thread for doing this poo poo There’s a lot of people in this country who need access to private vehicles, not everyone lives in a city.
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BARONS CYBER SKULL posted:You’ve already been warned in this thread for doing this poo poo My dude, you never, ever pose a positive statement or suggestion in this thread beyond "I would simply house everyone  ". Case in point is your response to this transport plan, when one of the actual purposes of this plan is to allow significant densification and provide for like 50000 more homes.Meanwhile you respond to anyone who actually engages in critical discussion of govt policy with one line "lol check out this neolib" style responses. So why would I bother engaging with you? It isn't my fault if you cant imagine a situation beyond every family privately owning 2.5 cars, and I'm not going to waste the time elaborating for you because you never have anything of value to offer. My response to redleader was obviously flippant and not a serious reply.
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there's like 10+ cars parked up to protest china or some poo poo. wtf lol this is a small of 15k
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moving back here i had to start driving again because there is no public transport
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tunnels are pretty earthquake-safe
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https://endccp.com/ this looks like the group. try to read some of the poo poo on that site i dare you
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Is it Falun Gong? Lol yep.
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CODChimera posted:moving back here i had to start driving again because there is no public transport Wow how could you, why didn’t you just wait 10-1000 years for Jacinda to make some railway lines in Auckland?
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Why are we even talking about rail. It will sadly end up like every other attempt by Labour to do something not terrible. Bitched about by right wing opinion pieces before being quietly dropped when the news is focused on something else.
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falun gong is an insane far right, anti-gay, anti-'race mixing' cult and it's wild that anything they claim gets taken seriously. like, here's their official newspaper publishing trevor loudon 2 weeks after the mosque attacks, claiming that the shooter was actually left wing https://www.theepochtimes.com/brenton-tarrant-is-the-christchurch-mosque-shooter-a-national-bolshevik_2850960.html
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bike tory posted:Mate you're the one who aligns with Simeon Brown on this issue so I'm not sure you're in any position to criticise.
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victorious posted:Does it say exactly where the tunnel will end? Haha. They're nowhere near that level of detailed design yet. Not even close.
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You can actually disincentivize car ownership in the city without outright banning it through having good transport links. Some central city light rail is a great start, link it to a normal rail backbone and you're well on your way. Last piece of the puzzle is to make it cheap.
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bike tory posted:Mate you're the one who aligns with Simeon Brown on this issue so I'm not sure you're in any position to criticise. lmao what in the world
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Progressive JPEG posted:lmao what in the world Apparently you're not meant to help posters to improve their opinions by pointing out which lovely politicians they're currently aligned with. So I won't compare people to Simeon Brown anymore. I'm sure BARONS simply forgot that affordable housing needs good public transport links. Hopefully just a rare misstep for him. (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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bike tory posted:Apparently you're not meant to help posters to improve their opinions by pointing out which lovely politicians they're currently aligned with. Which politician would you say Simeon Brown is most like, if not Simeon Brown?
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Progressive JPEG posted:discussion of nz politics? in the nz politics thread? well i never If there's demand for it I would be perfectly willing to move the NZ thread to the hangout forum, or make it a demilitarized hangout with looser enforcement of rules here in D&D, like the Canada thread. Bike tory also was not probated for discussing NZ politics, which is obviously encouraged, but for doing guilt by association rather than addressing someone's argument directly. I was not the only one who found this objectionable, as I only found the post due to it being reported.
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Koos Group posted:If there's demand for it I would be perfectly willing to move the NZ thread to the hangout forum, or make it a demilitarized hangout with looser enforcement of rules here in D&D, like the Canada thread. Bike tory also was not probated for discussing NZ politics, which is obviously encouraged, but for doing guilt by association rather than addressing someone's argument directly. I was not the only one who found this objectionable, as I only found the post due to it being reported. Yeah that's the thing - aside from the exact probe reason the thread itself is 70% social, 10% doom posting, 20% politics. So in that context it's weird to have a mod hop in because a formal debate rule wasn't being followed. I think the actual probe reason is secondary to that but I interpreted the post as referencing a page or two back when NZ MP Simeon Brown got himself photoshopped in front of a filthy bus station to say that Auckland needs more congested roads
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