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BadSamaritan posted:My initial thought, as someone whose education is in medical lab testing but is not a ‘true’ expert on these tests, is that you guys have a non Covid-19 virus going around your house with a similar antigen on it that cross reacts with the rapid antigen tests. PCR is generally more specific since it tests for a certain sequence, and antigen tests (as a class of tests) tend to be more cross-reactive due to how they work. Interesting, that'll give me something more to pry in to once we get a hold of someone. I knew PCR was way more specific about what it detects, but I didn't know the rapid tests could report false positives on other bugs. Makes sense, now that I think about it (from a complete lay person's perspective, at least), and my wife independently suggested the possibility of a different coronavirus (she has some knowledge in this arena due to her job and field of study, but not remotely an expert). Not sure if it'll be good enough for day care, but hopefully it'll give us some confidence about what we're dealing with. Also weird that the kids aren't popping positive, but if it's already nearly off the results for us, then who knows what it'll show for a 4 year old. Still boggles my mind. Seems like this would be a more common and more studied phenomenon. I'm sure we're not the first, but seems like a weirdly specific gap for us to fall in to. I'm sure local doctors will have some insight as to what's circulating in the area and whether it's a known problem or not.
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DaveSauce posted:Interesting, that'll give me something more to pry in to once we get a hold of someone. I knew PCR was way more specific about what it detects, but I didn't know the rapid tests could report false positives on other bugs. Makes sense, now that I think about it (from a complete lay person's perspective, at least), and my wife independently suggested the possibility of a different coronavirus (she has some knowledge in this arena due to her job and field of study, but not remotely an expert). Not sure if it'll be good enough for day care, but hopefully it'll give us some confidence about what we're dealing with. Also weird that the kids aren't popping positive, but if it's already nearly off the results for us, then who knows what it'll show for a 4 year old. My kid had symptoms and popped positive immediately on a rapid test on Monday and we got a PCR test for him yesterday so now I'm really curious to see what the PCR test is going to say!
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DaveSauce posted:Interesting, that'll give me something more to pry in to once we get a hold of someone. I knew PCR was way more specific about what it detects, but I didn't know the rapid tests could report false positives on other bugs. To be fair- I don’t know that for certain, but given the way that antigen tests work, cross reactivity can be an issue with other viral and bacterial antigen tests. Sort of like.. if you buy a lowish quality lock, sometimes you can have multiple, different keys that can open it because important parts of it are close enough. A PCR test it more like taking a direct imprint of the key.
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Hello everyone I've been a dad for 15 days it's fuckin wild e: What's everyone's diaper bag loadout looking like? Trying to hone mine over the next few weeks so we're ready when we take the little monster out into the world in her SUV stroller
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black.lion posted:Hello everyone I've been a dad for 15 days it's fuckin wild Diapers, wipes, bags to put poop into. Don't overthink it.
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Later on it doesn't hurt to lose some shelf stable food in there for snacks but yeah, the essentials are good.
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Diaper, wipes, baggy, small can of formula, blanket, pacifier. Gets all the essentials without being too much
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With little babies, I’d like to suggest a spare onesie AND a spare adult tshirt, because being stuck in a fully spitup/blowout covered t shirt is awful.
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BadSamaritan posted:With little babies, I’d like to suggest a spare onesie AND a spare adult tshirt, because being stuck in a fully spitup/blowout covered t shirt is awful. I was going to say this. Our son peed on himself at his first 4 or 5 checkups, so it was nice to have a clean outfit there.
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I keep a large ziploc bag in the diaper bag to hold messy baby clothes. It’s good to have a full set of extra clothes, a bottle and formula, a changing pad, a small container of diaper cream, a receiving blanket and pacifiers. One they get older, you can take a few toys or books and a container of snacks like baby puffs or Cheerios.
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We're trying to sort out what's actually going on. My work's health screener says the PCR results were confusing but possibly a false negative, but honestly they're clearing me based on time since symptoms (however minor) first started (not that that matters in terms of the kids going back to day care, though). The kids' pediatrician things that a second negative PCR would clear them. So with that, we have another PCR lined up for ourselves this evening, and this afternoon the kids are getting a test from the pediatrician... hell, keeps the kids busy if nothing else. Great, right?  None of that matters, because when we called day care to give them an update, they informed us that one of our kids' classrooms is closing down because someone else had a confirmed positive! So no matter what, we still have to keep at least one kid home. BadSamaritan posted:To be fair- I don’t know that for certain, but given the way that antigen tests work, cross reactivity can be an issue with other viral and bacterial antigen tests. Sort of like.. if you buy a lowish quality lock, sometimes you can have multiple, different keys that can open it because important parts of it are close enough. A PCR test it more like taking a direct imprint of the key. Yup, totally get that. I know it's not guaranteed, but it's something interesting to talk with the doctors about. Incidentally, my company's screener said they've been seeing the PCR tests having higher false negatives with Omicron. This is a 3rd party that provides this service, so I don't know if this is anecdotal or based on data. It would be great to have some certainty here, though... I'm to the point where I'd rather just get positive PCR results just so we know what's going on.
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What my doctor said is if you test positive on any kind of test, whether rapid or PCR or whatever, even if you test negative on other tests you have covid and need to act as though you do. The chances of that being a false positive are ludicrously low even with omicron.
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L0cke17 posted:What my doctor said is if you test positive on any kind of test, whether rapid or PCR or whatever, even if you test negative on other tests you have covid and need to act as though you do. The chances of that being a false positive are ludicrously low even with omicron. Yup, and we have been assuming that so far. So far neither of the kids have shown positive anywhere, and if we're being conservative and following CDC guidelines then both my wife and I would be clear by Monday regardless. And that reminds me, we have an instacart order we need to set up before the end of the day...
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DaveSauce posted:I knew PCR was way more specific about what it detects, but I didn't know the rapid tests could report false positives on other bugs. My wife's work has an in-house molecular test that routinely yields positive results that later show negative on PCR. Their COVID protocols take the (anti-)confirmatory PCR result into account. Everyone considers PCR to be the gold standard. In absence of data that suggests that recent variants are less sensitive under PCR I would take the PCR result with greater weight. DaveSauce posted:IStill boggles my mind. Seems like this would be a more common and more studied phenomenon. Edit: Personally if my kids had a positive rapid test but negative PCR, and otherwise weren't experiencing symptoms significant enough (fever) to keep them home from day care otherwise I'd feel comfortable sending them. I don't know if that makes me a terrible person, but in the off chance they actually do have COVID, well, that's where they got it from anyways--they're not like patient zero or anythng. ExcessBLarg! fucked around with this message at 18:47 on Jan 27, 2022 |
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L0cke17 posted:What my doctor said is if you test positive on any kind of test, whether rapid or PCR or whatever, even if you test negative on other tests you have covid and need to act as though you do. The chances of that being a false positive are ludicrously low even with omicron. Agreed that you should act like you’re positive if you get a positive. That is both the public health answer and the probable one. However- the rapid tests that are on the market under EUA do have a varying degree of accuracy, to the point where I wouldn’t say false positives are ludicrously low. Clinical accuracy is determined on fairly low sample sets- the one I have in my cabinet is generally considered a ‘good’ brand, but the formal accuracy study is n=172, which is bupkis on the scale of testing going on. Getting 100% of true negatives when compared to an FDA approved pcr test on a sample set of 173 (108 of whom are symptomatic) is not a huge, unassailable achievement in the world of clinical lab testing. (This information is included in the instructions insert of your kit). False positives are important to consider right now because of the impacts that a positive can have on financial security, and I do think manufacturers should be providing more thorough data on them. And my apologies for going on a bit, parenting thread. A lot of the world is getting a crash course on lab testing and accuracy/precision/specificity/sensitivity right now in a way that drastically affects their lives and their family’s ability to function.
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Right, so our thought process has been "we're positive and we need to isolate." Symptoms for my wife were ~24 hour stomach bug, and symptoms for me were "kinda meh with a side of stuffyness and minor coughing." We test, and we both ping positive on at-home rapids, so we pull kids out of day care as a precaution. They, in turn, give us the 10-day boot. Oldest gets negative on at-home rapid, and youngest is too young. We go get PCRs for everyone, to confirm/deny, and all 4 show negative, so the WTF begins. Now we're in screwball territory where nobody seems to have a completely clear answer. The consensus is that the PCR test should override the rapid antigen test, but there is dissent among those with credible authority, so it gets super hazy as to what the right decision here is. In any case, it's on us to do as much as we can to try to get as clear a picture as possible, and then provide that information to those who are qualified to make decisions. BadSamaritan posted:And my apologies for going on a bit, parenting thread. A lot of the world is getting a crash course on lab testing and accuracy/precision/specificity/sensitivity right now in a way that drastically affects their lives and their family’s ability to function. This is the main reason I'm going on about this in this thread. It's fully and completely related to parenting in this scenario. Absent kids, this would be a complete non-issue for us.... isolate for 10 days and work from home, done. Day care has given us the boot strictly because of my wife and my test results. Kids are both negative so far, and at best it's "runny nose with cough." In other words, if we had to keep them home solely because those symptoms overlap with covid sometimes, then we'd spend half the year with the kids home. So as far as the kids are concerned, we need to resolve this for two important reasons: first, we need to know if we actually have to worry about complications from covid for our kids. The numbers say no, even if it IS covid, but we can't rely on statistics for individual care. And second, we need to give day care the most accurate information possible, because if either kid tests positive then day care absolutely needs to know this information so they can react accordingly and mitigate spread on their side. Obviously yes, we would love to send our kids back to day care if at all possible. I'm not going to deny that this is a motivating factor. But I'm not going to ignore the practical issues of this as well. This is not solely about us. ExcessBLarg! posted:Edit: Personally if my kids had a positive rapid test but negative PCR, and otherwise weren't experiencing symptoms significant enough (fever) to keep them home from day care otherwise I'd feel comfortable sending them. I don't know if that makes me a terrible person, but in the off chance they actually do have COVID, well, that's where they got it from anyways--they're not like patient zero or anythng. I go back and forth. We feel a tad guilty for sending them in Tuesday even though my wife was feeling sick and they had the sniffles, but ultimately they're the most likely source. And if it weren't for my wife's GI symptoms, we would have never even tested anyone. There's a chance that I picked it up from my office, or from running errands, but ultimately the day care is by far the most likely place it came from. A bunch of unvaccinated kids who, if they are infected, are most likely asymptomatic. edit: hahaha loving hell, just got back from the doc and the youngest has a double ear infection (edit: his older sister pulled the same stunt before, but at a well visit... completely fine until the doc looks in their ears). jesus loving christ at least they were just as confused at our previous test results. About 24 hour turnaround for them it sounds like, so we'll see what they come back with. They are advising trusting the PCR over the rapid, but again for the kids they have nothing so far to say they're positive so if that comes back negative I'll assume they're in the clear... who knows what day care will think, though. DaveSauce fucked around with this message at 20:07 on Jan 27, 2022 |
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Anyone experienced a lip tie with their bb? We're wondering if ours has one - trouble latching (but is a preemie, barely); cluster feeding all the dang time; seems to have trouble breathing while feeding mb (hard to tell even tho i keep asking her she wont' answer me, ugh kids amirite)
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L0cke17 posted:Diapers, wipes, bags to put poop into. Don't overthink it. Kid was up a lot last night so my sleep deprived brain read this as "bags to poop into" 
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black.lion posted:Anyone experienced a lip tie with their bb? We're wondering if ours has one - trouble latching (but is a preemie, barely); cluster feeding all the dang time; seems to have trouble breathing while feeding mb (hard to tell even tho i keep asking her she wont' answer me, ugh kids amirite) Our daughter has one, we went to a specialist that said she'd be fine. But definitely had issues with latching so my wife did a ton of pumping and we fed that way.
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calandryll posted:Our daughter has one, we went to a specialist that said she'd be fine. But definitely had issues with latching so my wife did a ton of pumping and we fed that way. Word we were just rly hoping to be able to feed breast only soon to give my wife a break, worried if she has the liptie that wife.lion is stuck doing extra feeding labor for weeks/months ahead Your specialist didn't suggest getting it corrected?
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black.lion posted:Word we were just rly hoping to be able to feed breast only soon to give my wife a break, worried if she has the liptie that wife.lion is stuck doing extra feeding labor for weeks/months ahead They did not, since it didn't seem that serious. They said the worst thing would be a gap in the front teeth that could be corrected. Our daughter has been twice to the dentist and they haven't said anything about it, i.e. her teeth are fine.
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Tom Smykowski posted:Kid was up a lot last night so my sleep deprived brain read this as "bags to poop into" I had to do this when our septic tank overflowed for the first time and I got the nervous-shits 
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black.lion posted:Anyone experienced a lip tie with their bb? We're wondering if ours has one - trouble latching (but is a preemie, barely); cluster feeding all the dang time; seems to have trouble breathing while feeding mb (hard to tell even tho i keep asking her she wont' answer me, ugh kids amirite) We just had a tongue tie corrected in our two week old daughter, she has a lip tie as well but this wasn't snipped. The specialist that did it said basically the only reason they'd address it is if her lip couldn't flange upwards for feeding purposes, but it can so they didn't touch it. Any midwife or paediatrician if you're in the US should be able to assess for a lip tie and tell if it's functional or not. Also if it seems like your daughter is having trouble breathing while feeding, if you guys haven't given it a go already, try putting a hand behind her shoulderblades as this will support her but also allow her head to tilt backwards a little leaving her nostrils clear of the breast. My kid would faceplant from her crap latch and try to suffocate herself. Our 3 year old son also has a lip tie which was never corrected, he has a tiny gap between his front teeth but its no biggie and the dentist didn't care at his 2 year check. For the record he was appalling at breastfeeding and we had to feed him expressed milk instead. Tamarillo fucked around with this message at 23:14 on Jan 27, 2022 |
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black.lion posted:Anyone experienced a lip tie with their bb? We're wondering if ours has one - trouble latching (but is a preemie, barely); cluster feeding all the dang time; seems to have trouble breathing while feeding mb (hard to tell even tho i keep asking her she wont' answer me, ugh kids amirite) My daughter is 7 now, but she a tongue tie at birth. Hers was pretty pronounced and she really struggled to latch which was challenging because she was almost 10 pounds and ravenous. It was caught by an outpatient lactation consultant who we were referred to after a long week and a half of struggling. Our pediatrician recommended a pediatric dentist who did a 5 minute laser procedure. I was able to exclusively breastfeed the next day and no issues thereafter. I later worked in hospitals as a postpartum/lactation RN (I'm not an IBCLC but worked on lactation team) and at least on my unit, the pediatricians wouldn't perform a frenectomy in the hospital but would sometimes schedule it as a quick snip as an outpatient visit. Your Googling probably revealed this, but the tell-tale sign of a tongue tie is the tongue forming a little heart shape since the tip of the tongue is 'tethered' too tightly and can't fully release. But there are lip ties too which can be trickier to visualize. Worth having it checked out since it's a simple fix if that's the issue. Good luck with the cluster feeding!
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I'm looking for book recommendations to read to my 4.5 year old at bedtime. We started with the Magic Tree House books and he loves them. However once we finish 28 of these things, I'd love to move on to something else. He doesn't need to know that there are just as many spin-off books. I'm probably going to get some Roald Dahl, next, but what were some of the first novels you read to your kids that you would recommend?
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Farquar posted:I'm looking for book recommendations to read to my 4.5 year old at bedtime. We started with the Magic Tree House books and he loves them. However once we finish 28 of these things, I'd love to move on to something else. He doesn't need to know that there are just as many spin-off books. Our 4.5 year old loves the DC Super Pets series as well as the Mercy Watson series. Our slightly older kid loved Owl Diaries and Princess in Black at that age, though both are a bit girly if that's a concern. It's a short series but Kung Pow Chicken is a lot of fun. Librarian had recommended My Weird School (and so on) but my kid bounced after about 6 books. Pigsticks and Harold was fun. Narwhal and Jelly. Kate Egan's Magic Shop series was a hit, and each book teaches a couple simple magic tricks.
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Our for four month old has a lip tie. Her ped said that they usually don't affect the feeding when it's just the lip tie with no tongue tie, so she didn't snip it since the baby's issues were staying awake and keeping food down (the latter is still an issue but she's up to 12.5 lbs  ). The dr said they'll snip it if it causes speech issues once that's a concern but obviously she's too young to worry about that right now.Also she had her first day of daycare today. They offered a half day trial to meet the teachers and introduce her to the concept of daycare. It seems to have gone well, so she starts for real on Tuesday.
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Oh my god how is she four months old already I think, as I look at my friggin beast of a 17 month old.
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At 6 months, my daughter is now mostly able to sit up on her own, and I was excited at the prospect of maybe being able to get some things done on the computer with her in my lap and both of my hands mostly free. Unfortunately, she still absolutely hates it when I sit down while holding her, and starts crying most of the time when I do. She'll stop crying immediately if I stand up, of course. I know this is all normal for babies, but when, if ever, do they stop freaking out when you sit down while holding them?
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My kid still gets pissed and starts making the up gesture when I sit down while carrying her at 17 months, sooooooo
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Farquar posted:I'm looking for book recommendations to read to my 4.5 year old at bedtime. We started with the Magic Tree House books and he loves them. However once we finish 28 of these things, I'd love to move on to something else. He doesn't need to know that there are just as many spin-off books. I love Roald Dahl! I remember really liking the Mrs. Piggle Wiggle series, gonna pick those up for the kiddo soon too. My 14mo old has almost never just chilled in a lap while sitting unless I’m reading a book to him or he is watching a music video. Has always just been too busy for the lap phase - he loved bouncing and swinging and crawling.
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Spoggerific posted:At 6 months, my daughter is now mostly able to sit up on her own, and I was excited at the prospect of maybe being able to get some things done on the computer with her in my lap and both of my hands mostly free. Unfortunately, she still absolutely hates it when I sit down while holding her, and starts crying most of the time when I do. She'll stop crying immediately if I stand up, of course. Not before she will get way too handsy with your keyboard to make that practical.
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Farquar posted:I'm looking for book recommendations to read to my 4.5 year old at bedtime. We started with the Magic Tree House books and he loves them. However once we finish 28 of these things, I'd love to move on to something else. He doesn't need to know that there are just as many spin-off books. Try the Zoe and Sassafras books - our five year old loves them, and I've given them as birthday gifts to cousins and friends, too.
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space uncle posted:I love Roald Dahl! I remember really liking the Mrs. Piggle Wiggle series, gonna pick those up for the kiddo soon too. Roald Dahl books are great. Just gotta do the whole "separate the art from the artist thing".
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Yeah my kid just turned six months and now whenever they're near a keyboard or phone they just start whacking it. My apartment has handicap accessible handles on all the doors and toilets so when we're walking down the hallway he'll reach out and try to grab on.
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sharkytm posted:Roald Dahl books are great. Just gotta do the whole "separate the art from the artist thing". He was a fantastic writer and I don't think his personal views were ever reflected in his children's books, but even until his death he was an unapologetic antisemite: Dahl interview with New Statesman, 1983 posted:There is a trait in the Jewish character that does provoke animosity, maybe it’s a kind of lack of generosity towards non-Jews. I mean, there’s always a reason why anti-anything crops up anywhere.”
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Farquar posted:I'm looking for book recommendations to read to my 4.5 year old at bedtime. We started with the Magic Tree House books and he loves them. However once we finish 28 of these things, I'd love to move on to something else. He doesn't need to know that there are just as many spin-off books. Check out Daniel Pinkwater. Some of his books are for slightly older kids but a bunch of them are great for that age range. Lizard Music (about secret lizards who play Jazz on TV late at night) and The Hoboken Chicken Emergency (about a giant chicken in Hoboken) are especially good. There aren’t a million of them so might not keep you busy for long but they are very, very good and you can introduce more as the kid gets older. He also has a book of essays he originally wrote for NPR I think called Fish Whistle, great for adults. If you like outdoorsy stuff, I also recommend Patrick McManus, who writes short stories about growing up doing hiking, fishing, camping, etc and are very funny. Great for kids and adults alike, and there’s probably 10 books of stories. Each story is short so you can read several of them at bedtime which in my experience kids like a lot.
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Benagain posted:My kid still gets pissed and starts making the up gesture when I sit down while carrying her at 17 months, sooooooo At 19 months I'm intimately familiar with the soreness that comes from hours of holding a sick toddler who doesn't want to be held by a sitting down daddy. Mommy holding is also distinct from daddy holding and is allowed to be conducted while mommy is sitting down. I don't know why, I'm not in charge.
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Farquar posted:I'm looking for book recommendations to read to my 4.5 year old at bedtime. We started with the Magic Tree House books and he loves them. However once we finish 28 of these things, I'd love to move on to something else. He doesn't need to know that there are just as many spin-off books. I was around that age when my dad read me The Lion, The Witch and The Wardrobe. It was always a favourite of mine. We were recently gifted Pippi Longstocking and a bunch of books in the Bunnicula series that I hope to read to my girl once she’s older. Nessa fucked around with this message at 18:32 on Jan 28, 2022 |
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