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Republicans posted:In Washington state it's the same as it's been, required indoors unless you are eating/drinking in a restaurant. It's good to know that Covid still respectfully waits for people to finish their num nums before going back to infecting people. God I hate this stupid loophole.
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Professor Beetus posted:It's good to know that Covid still respectfully waits for people to finish their num nums before going back to infecting people. God I hate this stupid loophole. Yeah, I think a huge problem with the mask mandates is that a lot of them are really poorly implemented. No mask quality requirements, numerous stupid exceptions (I'm sure we all have the one guy at work that is now always, always drinking a coffee, 100% of the time, so he doesn't have to wear a mask), a bunch of people dicknosing, problems with enforcement, and I think from that point of view I can understand why a lot of people are just saying "the mask mandates are stupid and ineffective and frustrating" even if they support the idea of a mask mandate in concept. At this point, I wear an N95 that fits properly, and I don't take it off around other people. I've stopped giving a poo poo what other people do. We've led this horse to water for two loving years, and the bastard will not drink for love or money, and I can't be bothered trying to make it do so any more.
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PT6A posted:Yeah, I think a huge problem with the mask mandates is that a lot of them are really poorly implemented. No mask quality requirements, numerous stupid exceptions (I'm sure we all have the one guy at work that is now always, always drinking a coffee, 100% of the time, so he doesn't have to wear a mask), a bunch of people dicknosing, problems with enforcement, and I think from that point of view I can understand why a lot of people are just saying "the mask mandates are stupid and ineffective and frustrating" even if they support the idea of a mask mandate in concept. Yep, we just started buying N95s/KN95s for grocery shopping, errands, etc and never looked back. I just actually got called up for jury duty and there was a big "social distancing is no longer required at x county courthouse" and luckily my many risk factors made it easy to be excused. I didn't even have to roll in with an ACAB shirt or anything. e: Also since I shave for masks now I seriously look like I'm in my 20s and that's a nice confidence boost.
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Professor Beetus posted:e: Also since I shave for masks now I seriously look like I'm in my 20s and that's a nice confidence boost. 
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Jan 28, 2022 22:21
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NoDamage posted:Initial data from the UK shows booster effectiveness against symptomatic disease remains similar for Omicron BA.2 compared to BA.1: I'm coming up on 12 weeks post-booster and I am worried about booster effectiveness falling off with time, but it is encouraging that at least in the short term they're holding up relatively well to BA2.
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Jan 28, 2022 22:23
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Stickman posted:Now that we have n95s, it’s totally okay to infect all the kids because teachers and parents/grandparents can just wear masks all the time (ignore that these same shitheads are also trying to eliminate general mask mandates, guidance for vaccinated mask wearing, and boosting, or that babies and toddlers generally can’t wear effective masks). Amniotic posted:WaPo
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Gio posted:The goal behind this push, to get rid of mask mandates and encourage the use of respirators for those that want to stay protected, is pretty obviously to make people who continue to wear masks pariahs. Which I guess explains why all of their “public health solutions” appeal to this idiotic idea of Individual Risk Management. "We're going to just refuse to live in fear but if you're really scared you can put on your safety mask!" type poo poo. Speaking of, are the government issued N95s hitting pharmacies yet?
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Jan 28, 2022 22:34
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God, when Rho or Upsilon or whatever slams into this poo poo they're trying to spread.... there's a reason why I'm putting aside some nonperishables.
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Jan 28, 2022 22:45
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Jaxyon posted:"We're going to just refuse to live in fear but if you're really scared you can put on your safety mask!" type poo poo. They're floating around out there. I have some friends and family who were able to find some, though while out shopping today I stopped at the local Walgreens and CVS and neither of them had any (and I asked to make sure if it wasn't just that they ran out, but it turned out they weren't offering the free N95s yet). So I guess the answer is that it depends!
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Jan 28, 2022 22:58
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I'm glad my work has sent us tons of masks, an abundance of nice K95 or N95 or whatever they are type masks. I went into the office to pick up a set of keys today (sadly we are not back in office yet) and they offered me even more masks.
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Jan 28, 2022 23:00
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StratGoatCom posted:https://www.ctvnews.ca/health/coronavirus/omicron-subvariant-ba-2-reported-in-canada-phac-1.5755408 StratGoatCom posted:God, when Rho or Upsilon or whatever slams into this poo poo they're trying to spread.... there's a reason why I'm putting aside some nonperishables. Why is this unsupported doomer posting being allowed?
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Jan 28, 2022 23:36
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Professor Beetus posted:It's good to know that Covid still respectfully waits for people to finish their num nums before going back to infecting people. God I hate this stupid loophole. I mean... how else are restaurants supposed to function? If you think they should be shut, then sure, but if they're going to be open then it's still fine to have a mask mandate everywhere else indoors, because people generally aren't trying to enjoy a meal at K-Mart or the dentist's waiting room or a university classroom.
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Jan 28, 2022 23:43
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droll posted:Why is this unsupported doomer posting being allowed? Report the posts or ask the poster to elaborate and support their claims. Some amount of venting is reasonable. Those posts are responding to some news reporting and discussion of masking, respectively, so they're not really off topic and don't strike me as particularly sensational or inflammatory.
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Jan 28, 2022 23:45
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Amniotic posted:NYT These genuinely don't appear to be coordinated; details follow. WaPo (Jan 25): Authors/Source: Shira Doron, Westyn Branch-Elliman, and Elissa Perkins, are all at least generally qualified in the subject area and work in and around Boston -they're all infectious disease specialists working in well-regarded public health institutions. This article was initially the most suspicious of the three because there was a parallel bout of TV coverage which suggests press office involvement. Some further digging suggests it's mostly because the first author in particular, Shira Doron, has been a public advisor to school districts in the Boston area on the subject and doing media work for at least a few months, likely with promotion from Tufts. In terms of positional background, the three have been coauthoring articles in USNews for a while, and have generally been more conservative about mask mandates and other restrictions in schools (though they helped implement some of them). Claims and evidence: In terms of article quality, they do actually cite a lot of sources for their claims about harms and inconsistencies in existing/prior mask mandates, though the quality of the sources varies. A notable feature is that the sources of confirmatory information about positive responses to removing mandatory in-school mask policies do not appear to come from the same source. Position: A broadly-stated shift away from universal mask mandates in schools; it appears they still want optional masks, and that it's contingent on case levels, outcomes, and some other factors. It's loosely worded at best. Atlantic (Jan 26): Authors:Margery Smelkinson is a staff scientist at NIAID; she avoids mentioning this in the article, which is interesting and suggests she's trying to avoid any impression of the article being an official statement. Being at NIH generally means you're among the best of the best in your field, but there are exceptions. Margery is also involved with Revive MoCo, an facebook group that wants to reduce mask mandates and return to normal in Montgomery County Maryland (the location of NIH and where she presumably lives). She's written previous op-ed in WaPo last December on that subject. The other authors are qualified on the subject, though their qualifications aren't as direct or strong. Leslie Bienen is a DVN, which sounds bad, but her foci include animal-human disease transmission). Leslie Bienen is in emergency medicine at UCSF (and is a prof there) but has no clear background in the area. All three have written individual covid pieces for the press in the past, usually as op-eds. Bienen has co-authored articles with Monica Gandhi, who has come up before. Source note: The Atlantic is often the place that different people put forward semidecently written Hot Takes to appeal to wealthy or connected folks who think of themselves as intellectuals; as a Journal of Ideas, it's routinely a place for very good or really terrible writing, and it's difficult to consistently trace back the sourcing of individual pieces because their editorial practices have been very idiosyncratic. The formatting of the article ("the case against", etc) suggests it's meant to be an attention-getting hot take of a piece. Claims and evidence: The authors link their sources, which again, vary in quality but include some good sources. The linkage of arguments to claims is generally a lot weaker (they use the claim-litany approach of making a broad assertion and then linking a bunch of supporting sources for subclasses of the assertion, of varying quality, with little detail). Position: quote:Imposing on millions of children an intervention that provides little discernible benefit, on the grounds that we have not yet gathered solid evidence of its negative effects, violates the most basic tenet of medicine: First, do no harm. The foundation of medical and public-health interventions should be that they work, not that we have insufficient evidence to say whether they are harmful. Continued mandatory masking of children in schools, especially now that most schoolchildren are eligible for vaccination, fails this test. Worth emphasizing this is a much stronger (as in more aggressive, not better) claim than the WaPo article. Also jeez do I ever hate busting out the "do no harm" line. NYT (Jan 28): Author: Michelle Goldberg's an NYT op-ed columnist, full time, with a journalism background, with, ah, all that entails. She's generally quite left-leaning and has some very good output, but has come in for serious criticism in the past (which I should add appears resoundingly deserved, but I've not read all the articles and material cited in that piece). Claims and evidence: Jeez, it feels weird to say an NYT editorial supports its arguments well. The article notes caveats and identifies flaws with the other two articles, which it cites, along with individual and separate authorities. If the op-ed didn't distinguish itself from the other articles, I'd be concerned about possible collusion, but that's not the case here. Goldberg also wrote an earlier piece on the same subject three days ago, where she takes the position covid is a bigger source of risk than mask mandates or other preventative actions. Further context: NYT's got a whole bevy of op-eds on different positions on school masking, so at a minimum the paper doesn't appear to be pushing a particular side. Position: Goldberg wants to end mandatory masking (with optional masking allowed) at some point after Omicron dies down and the risk calculus shifts further. Conclusion: So these are three different articles, from people with no clear direct or source affiliation, advocating for significantly different positions that involve reduction of mask mandates in schools. They could all be horribly wrong! But there's no evidence of collusion among the articles, and no sign that the authors are on the take or arguing in bad faith. Just because there's a lot of coverage of a subject doesn't mean it's necessarily coordinated; it instead reflects that there's a broad press discourse that responds to and feeds off of itself. Just like us in the thread, there's a lot of public appetite for this subject. Gio posted:The goal behind this push, to get rid of mask mandates and encourage the use of respirators for those that want to stay protected, is pretty obviously to make people who continue to wear masks pariahs. Which I guess explains why all of their “public health solutions” appeal to this idiotic idea of Individual Risk Management. Why, uh, exactly, do you think these authors are trying to "make people who continue to wear masks pariahs"? What would motivate this action by them? Discendo Vox fucked around with this message at 00:04 on Jan 29, 2022 |
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Fritz the Horse posted:Report the posts or ask the poster to elaborate and support their claims. I did both and now I'm asking why they're allowed. Their news article has nothing in it to explain why we "need to prepare for a world of suck" and the poster ignored my request to explain why. So I guess the response to my question is doom posting and ignoring requests to engage in discussion in d&d, if it's a bit of venting then ignoring discussion is ok. Cool?
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Jan 28, 2022 23:47
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How are u posted:I'm glad my work has sent us tons of masks, an abundance of nice K95 or N95 or whatever they are type masks. I went into the office to pick up a set of keys today (sadly we are not back in office yet) and they offered me even more masks. Be careful what gifts you accept, my partners work generously give each employee 3 KN95s apiece last week then asked for them back this week because someone figured out they were fake. If there a serial number of something you can punch in somewhere it’s probably a great idea to do that.
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mawarannahr posted:Be careful what gifts you accept, my partners work generously give each employee 3 KN95s apiece last week then asked for them back this week because someone figured out they were fake. If there a serial number of something you can punch in somewhere it’s probably a great idea to do that. They're direct from here so they seem legit to me. https://shopvida.com/pages/face-masks
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Jan 28, 2022 23:52
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gohuskies posted:In Washington state at least, yes the mask mandate is indefinite right now. The King County "show vaccine card to get into restaurants/bars/events" mandate technically has no end date, but they say it's not expected to be permanent and will be reviewed for extension or ending sometime before the end of April. I’ve seen so many violations in Seattle that I’m believing there are absolutely no teeth and anyone can do whatever the gently caress they want, including giving unmasked rapid-breathing hot yoga classes in full view of the public in a major thoroughfare. How are u posted:They're direct from here so they seem legit to me. Good, I’m glad!
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Jan 28, 2022 23:54
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freebooter posted:I mean... how else are restaurants supposed to function? If you think they should be shut, then sure, but if they're going to be open then it's still fine to have a mask mandate everywhere else indoors, because people generally aren't trying to enjoy a meal at K-Mart or the dentist's waiting room or a university classroom. Yeah they should be shut down for indoor dining absolutely, takeout only given the case numbers and vaccination rates in the US, and our inability to enforce any kind of vaccine mandates. And anywhere I go (the tire place, grocery store, hardware store) there are people pulling down masks for coffees, fast food, talking on the phone, etc. "Restaurants functioning" is not a good reason to have weak and worthless mask mandates be even more toothless as Americans can just "use one weird trick to get around wearing masks, covid hates it!"
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Jan 29, 2022 00:12
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droll posted:I did both and now I'm asking why they're allowed. Their news article has nothing in it to explain why we "need to prepare for a world of suck" and the poster ignored my request to explain why. I reviewed and filed that report, so I'll be the one to respond. On the one hand, posters have no explicit obligation to respond to anything, but on the other you have everything you mentioned, which is valid. My personal assessment was that at the time it was quite removed from the post in time and no drama had come up as a result, so I instead felt it best to keep this particular incident in mind in future reports but otherwise let it fall into memory, allowing that if it ever came up again it would be treated as a ramp situation It was a bad post with no followup and noted as such, but did not create any drama. I do not moderate positions, only arguments, but until something is a habit I am happy to give a lot of leeway provided nobody is attacking anybody. I would ask if you still have any issues with it you PM me directly.
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We placed our order for the free covid tests the morning it went live and it just got here today, so 9 business days counting the Tuesday they were placed. They are the BinaxNOW antigen tests. Not like I’m trying to livepost tracking/shipping updates or anything but thought some people might want to know which kits they were in case it mattered.
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Boris Galerkin posted:We placed our order for the free covid tests the morning it went live and it just got here today, so 9 business days counting the Tuesday they were placed. They are the BinaxNOW antigen tests. Not like I’m trying to livepost tracking/shipping updates or anything but thought some people might want to know which kits they were in case it mattered. Just got mine today as well, was pleasantly swift. Hopefully ~3 hours of being in sub-zero temps doesn't mess with them too much.
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Professor Beetus posted:And anywhere I go (the tire place, grocery store, hardware store) there are people pulling down masks for coffees, fast food, talking on the phone, etc. In those places, sure, but "eating and drinking" is not a "loophole" when it comes to restaurants. One might fairly argue it's their raison d'etre!
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freebooter posted:In those places, sure, but "eating and drinking" is not a "loophole" when it comes to restaurants. One might fairly argue it's their raison d'etre! Right, and we're in the midst of a badly controlled pandemic with a huge number of unvaccinated people and most restaurants aren't even requiring proof of vaccination to enter. Given the current situation in my country, restaurants should not be open for anything but take out. It's absurd to keep in person indoor dining open during a pandemic.
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freebooter posted:In those places, sure, but "eating and drinking" is not a "loophole" when it comes to restaurants. One might fairly argue it's their raison d'etre! actually, on second thought, Poe's Law.
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mawarannahr posted:I’ve seen so many violations in Seattle that I’m believing there are absolutely no teeth and anyone can do whatever the gently caress they want, including giving unmasked rapid-breathing hot yoga classes in full view of the public in a major thoroughfare. There are definitely some aspects of it that feel like absurd theater, but at the end of the day if people want to hang out unmasked with strangers they are going to find a way to do so whether it’s at hot yoga or in their living rooms. IMO the most tangible benefit is in ‘essential’ places of business that many vulnerable people cannot easily opt out of. I would like to think that some 80 y/o lady with copd who needs to get groceries will find solace in the fact that the grocery store requires masks upon entry by law, for example.
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Discendo Vox posted:These genuinely don't appear to be coordinated; details follow. Thanks dude.
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Professor Beetus posted:Right, and we're in the midst of a badly controlled pandemic with a huge number of unvaccinated people and most restaurants aren't even requiring proof of vaccination to enter. Given the current situation in my country, restaurants should not be open for anything but take out. It's absurd to keep in person indoor dining open during a pandemic. A perfectly valid opinion, I just thought "loophole" was an odd way of putting it. I don't think enforced vax passports make much difference to spread, though, with Omicron absolutely blasting through e.g. Australia with pretty strictly applied mandates and a 95% vaccinated adult population. Their only purpose now is as a punishment to push the unvaccinated to get vaccinated (which in and of itself makes them still worthwhile).
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Amniotic posted:Thanks dude. Frankly, I don't think this disproves collusion, just that it's... informal - something that came into the discussion circles of the folks who set the editorial lines of the papers and got handed down organically, rather then explicitly planned. Big-club-you're-not-in-it poo poo, rather then their access being threatened, you know?
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Professor Beetus posted:Yeah they should be shut down for indoor dining absolutely, takeout only given the case numbers and vaccination rates in the US, and our inability to enforce any kind of vaccine mandates. And anywhere I go (the tire place, grocery store, hardware store) there are people pulling down masks for coffees, fast food, talking on the phone, etc. I work at a place that has an internal cafe and let me just tell you the I want to scream all day all the time it is the stupidest loving poo poo and it should just be shut down.
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freebooter posted:Australia Western Australia is demonstrating the material usefulness of eliminating said loophole. They had 12 cases yesterday. They have a zero covid policy. The mandates and restrictions are locally popular, much to the bitter resentment of let-er-rip policymakers elsewhere in Australia (and, weirdly, American Murdoch press) who regularly try to paint a picture of western aussie democracy in a chokehold.
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When one region of a democratic nation can manage it when surrounded by plague pits... it kind of blows up the argument that china can do it only bc totalitarian or that we couldn't manage it surrounded by open er upers.
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Potato Salad posted:Western Australia is demonstrating the material usefulness of eliminating said loophole. Are you under the impression that restaurants in Western Australia are closed? StratGoatCom posted:When one region of a democratic nation can manage it when surrounded by plague pits... it kind of blows up the argument that china can do it only bc totalitarian or that we couldn't manage it surrounded by open er upers. Now to take a big sip of coffee and check WA's infection numbers from the past week
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https://twitter.com/firefoxx66/status/1486727651146428425 Looking at this (verifiable, with source linked) image of the cladistics of the virus... well, BA.2 has already significantly diverged from BA.1.
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My sisters both have covid (third time for one, second for the other), refuse to get vaxxed because "it's just like a flu" and in the same conversation as that, they brought up a family friend who just died. "what happened??" "covid" "oh well, he had dementia and was dying anyway. And he was a smoker!" I will spare the thread the group chat screenshots I took when I needed to vent my frustration but that entire convo was a very surreal first hand account of watching the chud conditioning work in realtime. It's literal loving brainwashing. I don't want my sisters to die 
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freebooter posted:Are you under the impression that restaurants in Western Australia are closed? Really makes you think, huh? freebooter posted:Now to take a big sip of coffee and check WA's infection numbers from the past week 17/day average this prior week. Did you bother to read it, or did you glance at a steep line and assume it was a significantly large number?
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Like, this is the original subject:Professor Beetus posted:It's good to know that Covid still respectfully waits for people to finish their num nums before going back to infecting people. God I hate this stupid loophole. In good faith, we can agree there's a difference between a restaurant operating in a region with uncontrollable community spread and a restaurant operating in a region that had twelve infections yesterday? I'd feel extremely silly if I was putting in significant effort to discuss this with someone who can't recognize the stark asymmetry here from the outset. Potato Salad fucked around with this message at 05:06 on Jan 29, 2022 |
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Potato Salad posted:17/day average this prior week. Did you bother to read it, or did you glance at a steep line and assume it was a significantly large number? Did you bother to read anything more about WA and its recent history, or did you look at the number 17 and think it's low compared to wherever you live? Omicron is spreading in the community and the state government has said it expects numbers to rise and it will be impossible to return to COVID-zero.
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