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Pener Kropoopkin posted:https://twitter.com/DataProgress/status/1487106890517684231?s=20&t=Rl5DMqDcfIC30cM2qIRLkA Blew through all their political capital on corona and Afghanistan.
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Jan 30, 2022 15:22
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Less than a third of Americans actively want a war and those are the only voices that get heard in Washington, lmao.
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Jan 30, 2022 15:24
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Pener Kropoopkin posted:Less than a third of Americans actively want a war and those are the only voices that get heard in Washington, lmao. Washington is always going to be more aggressive than the most aggressive portions of the population, they have an empire to keep in order. That said, it is something to see how much the US’s control has waned in the last couple years and Europe is clearly looking for an alternative course. Also, Russia has 128,000 km of track currently, half electrified. Generally, the network is is significantly better shape than it was in the late 1980s. Btw the US has tons of track, it is just that very little of it is electrified and it is reserved for mostly freight. Ardennes has issued a correction as of 16:24 on Jan 30, 2022 |
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Jan 30, 2022 15:33
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https://twitter.com/jakebackpack/status/1487787836556423173?s=20&t=vZHEzybXj0-zNenr8uV8Rw There are Western commentators who really believe that Zelenksy is arguing with the Biden admin because he's an inscrutable Asian. The culture and mindset is just too different!
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Jan 30, 2022 16:21
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Pener Kropoopkin posted:https://twitter.com/DataProgress/status/1487106890517684231?s=20&t=Rl5DMqDcfIC30cM2qIRLkA Bold of you to assume American public opinion matters when it comes to American political decisions.
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Jan 30, 2022 16:21
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lol that fat shitstain “artist” is a Covid truther https://twitter.com/getfiscal/status/1487826376757555202?s=21
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Jan 30, 2022 17:38
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https://twitter.com/getfiscal/status/1487830513851277316
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Jan 30, 2022 17:52
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Pener Kropoopkin posted:https://twitter.com/DataProgress/status/1487106890517684231?s=20&t=Rl5DMqDcfIC30cM2qIRLkA Yeah, that doesn't surprise me. The Glenn/Dore/post-left delusion that the Republicans are somehow less pro-imperialism than the Dems was always just that - a delusion. In reality, GOP voters just tend to like it when "their" guy is doing it and don't like it when the other "team's" guy is (and obviously the same tends to be true for the Dems). It's a team sport for most voters of both major parties, not an ideologically consistent position. See: opinions on the Afghanistan pullout, opinions on Trump's strikes on Syria, and now this.
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Jan 30, 2022 19:45
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it’s almost as if America is a demon cracker nation
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Jan 30, 2022 19:49
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Al-Saqr posted:it’s almost as if America is a demon cracker nation WHAT?! You've made my hypothetical nonexistent child feel uncomfortable about being a white American. Bodies and spaces!
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Jan 30, 2022 19:52
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https://twitter.com/tobiaschneider/status/1487455559070662660?s=21
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Jan 30, 2022 20:24
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OhFunny posted:Bold of you to assume American public opinion matters when it comes to American political decisions. I did no such thing. The point is that media consent manufacturing doesn't count for as much as people suppose it does. It only looks that way because it's the commentariat that's in lock step.
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Jan 30, 2022 20:30
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The low approval of NATO in Italy, Spain, France, and Germany is kind of an issue unless the US expects the UK, Canada, and Poland to do the heavy lifting.
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Jan 30, 2022 20:36
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Just bitching cause they don't want to pay their fair share 
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Jan 30, 2022 20:39
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say what you will about the Warsaw Pact at least Russia would defend you for free just sayin
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Jan 30, 2022 20:41
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France already left NATO once before and wasn't even a participant in the alliance for most of the Cold War, their connection to it has always been pretty tenuous. even now their participation in it is based almost entirely on how useful it is for their neocolonial ventures in Africa, I sincerely doubt they'd commit much to a hypothetical conflict over Ukraine
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Jan 30, 2022 20:41
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Ardennes posted:The low approval of NATO in Italy, Spain, France, and Germany is kind of an issue unless the US expects the UK, Canada, and Poland to do the heavy lifting. NATO isn't an alliance so much as a part of the US empire's tributary system though. Possibly only France and maaaaaybe the UK could have an independent foreign policy if they really wanted one.
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Jan 30, 2022 20:44
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Majorian posted:Yeah, that doesn't surprise me. The Glenn/Dore/post-left delusion that the Republicans are somehow less pro-imperialism than the Dems was always just that - a delusion. In reality, GOP voters just tend to like it when "their" guy is doing it and don't like it when the other "team's" guy is (and obviously the same tends to be true for the Dems). It's a team sport for most voters of both major parties, not an ideologically consistent position. See: opinions on the Afghanistan pullout, opinions on Trump's strikes on Syria, and now this. People who lack a real political education can only respond to the world as it's presented to them. I've said before that Paleocons are the only identifiable group allowed to have an anti-imperialist voice in American politics, which is ultimately what gives people the impression that the right wing is more anti-war than the libs. You can point out that Republicans are only opportunistically opposing Biden's foreign policy, or that Paleocons are only anti-imperialist in the sense that they want domestic fascism - but that doesn't change how people feel about the political landscape. Mister Bates posted:France already left NATO once before and wasn't even a participant in the alliance for most of the Cold War, their connection to it has always been pretty tenuous. There are no mechanisms that compel NATO members to defend Ukraine anyway. Everybody is only taking their own initiative following America's lead.
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Jan 30, 2022 20:45
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Mister Bates posted:France already left NATO once before and wasn't even a participant in the alliance for most of the Cold War, their connection to it has always been pretty tenuous. You give to much credit to France's grandstanding. They only left NATO's unified command structure and agreed in secret to dovetail back into it if there was an actual war with the Warsaw Pact.
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Jan 30, 2022 20:52
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Nobody's committing to thousands of casualties and assured escalation over Ukraine - Russia's force concentration is too large, it's all flagged military rather than Wagner throwaways, and their air supremacy is impossible to contest without triggering WW3 so you can't even set a NFZ.
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Jan 30, 2022 20:53
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Ardennes posted:The low approval of NATO in Italy, Spain, France, and Germany is kind of an issue unless the US expects the UK, Canada, and Poland to do the heavy lifting. Canada was strong armed by NATO into having the smallest force deployed in Europe (3500 man mech bde) during the Cold War, so good luck to them. We were almost kicked out of the alliance in the 70’s for not contributing large, heavy, conventional forces for forward basing. Read The Price of Alliance, it’s a really interesting story.
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Jan 30, 2022 21:02
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Orange Devil posted:NATO isn't an alliance so much as a part of the US empire's tributary system though. Honestly, Germany with Nordstream 2 has been expressing an independent policy and their aren’t alone, none of those countries have seriously been pushing for conflict with Russia except perhaps the Netherlands and the UK. Frosted Flake posted:Canada was strong armed by NATO into having the smallest force deployed in Europe (3500 man mech bde) during the Cold War, so good luck to them. We were almost kicked out of the alliance in the 70’s for not contributing large, heavy, conventional forces for forward basing. Yeah, and that was at a point where Canadian military spending was relatively high in terms of GDP and it has only slide since. The UK isn’t that different even if it is really trying to be a serious power. Obviously, in terms of policy, the public is often ignored but I would say in the case of Europe much of the political and business elite are not at all interested in a hot war with Russia or China. Money talks…
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Jan 30, 2022 21:30
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NAJD! drat Paradox map painting games rule.
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Jan 30, 2022 21:58
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Orange Devil posted:NATO isn't an alliance so much as a part of the US empire's tributary system though. What's it like being Turkey, having the 2nd largest army in NATO but none of the white people even remember you are a member
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Jan 30, 2022 22:38
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Throatwarbler posted:What's it like being Turkey, having the 2nd largest army in NATO but none of the white people even remember you are a member Also, you are buying missile systems and have the majority of your military aimed at another NATO member.
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Jan 30, 2022 22:46
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DiscountDildos posted:https://twitter.com/PDChina/status/1487546095781793795?s=20&t=Divu6PJCwo1-xE_PDFmenA Chinese scientists have discovered micro dosing
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Jan 30, 2022 23:04
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Throatwarbler posted:What's it like being Turkey, having the 2nd largest army in NATO but none of the white people even remember you are a member a decade ago nato was actually more popular in Russia than in Turkey 
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Jan 30, 2022 23:15
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e: i should read the thread lol
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Jan 30, 2022 23:18
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Ardennes posted:unless the US expects the UK, Canada, and Poland to do the heavy lifting. They will be very dependable at the heavy lifting of talking
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Jan 30, 2022 23:22
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https://twitter.com/Chris_arnade/status/1487781403571982337?s=20&t=JHEr4wJsNhekKlP6l6bacQ
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Jan 31, 2022 00:06
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DiscountDildos posted:https://twitter.com/Chris_arnade/status/1487781403571982337?s=20&t=JHEr4wJsNhekKlP6l6bacQ https://twitter.com/berthyman/status/1487832194555035649 one of my favorite genre of lib posts is "but that would require everything I know to be wrong!"
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Jan 31, 2022 00:45
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DiscountDildos posted:https://twitter.com/Chris_arnade/status/1487781403571982337?s=20&t=JHEr4wJsNhekKlP6l6bacQ Sounds like what people in Addis Ababa were saying when the TPLF was advancing.
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Jan 31, 2022 01:26
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Throatwarbler posted:What's it like being Turkey, having the 2nd largest army in NATO but none of the white people even remember you are a member You’re right, Turkey might be the most legit non-vassal ally but the ally part nobody seems very sure of.
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Jan 31, 2022 01:35
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Amazing things happening in China. https://twitter.com/AcrossInner/status/1487201052869160960?cxt=HHwWgMDTnczezKMpAAAA
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Jan 31, 2022 01:53
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AnimeIsTrash posted:Amazing things happening in China. lol that ending
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Jan 31, 2022 02:02
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https://twitter.com/sh44sti/status/1487894374193192972?s=20&t=Rl5DMqDcfIC30cM2qIRLkA
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Jan 31, 2022 02:55
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is he gonna eat those dozen-odd onions himself?
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Jan 31, 2022 03:14
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quote:It's a really basic trolling tactic that gives the abuser control of the thread. A non-sequitur comparison to something out of scope, coupled with misrepresentations (usually obvious ones) that shift blame and the scope of discussion to the other entity (usually the US). Because other people don't want to let the misrepresentation stand, they wind up shifting to address the misrepresentation. In this way, the abuser's lies control the scope of the thread. quote:This is just fake outrage. "Abuser" is the correct term to apply to Whataboutists Some healthy discourse going on I see hahaha
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Jan 31, 2022 03:15
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Atrocious Joe posted:https://twitter.com/Alfreddezayas/status/1487809040407277569?s=20&t=2_VBkzn0pU1pNaRJvd4ETw Yeah but they have wrong opinions and therefore are evil Drones to be ignored
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