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Centrist Committee posted:but then it was all fixed and works flawlessly now, the end good the other audit that found out the 1 trillion or so unaccountable for in the military books definitely made the military more fiscally responsible
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Bar Ran Dun posted:it was almost certainly the navy itself and not the shipyard. somewhere joseph heller is laughing his rear end off
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gradenko_2000 posted:This is sort of like when the German high command assigned an engineering unit from Bavaria to be in charge of building the transport barges for Operation Sealion I assume they've had shipwrights in Bayern for a while, since Bavaria Yachtbau is still a thing.
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Laterite posted:somewhere joseph heller is laughing his rear end off imagine the amount of grift to produce a drone for anything costing a quarter billion dollars...the one that got shot down by Iran in 2019
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THE BAR posted:I assume they've had shipwrights in Bayern for a while, since Bavaria Yachtbau is still a thing. Founded in 1978 and they seem to make the sort of yachts you can make in your backyard.
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Weka posted:Founded in 1978 and they seem to make the sort of yachts you can make in your backyard. Ah, would've thought they had come from earlier entreprises. Maybe it was those Sea lion engineers putting their experience to good use 30 years later?
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vyelkin posted:one time they did an audit of the nuclear missile silos and discovered that maintaining all the elaborate checks and balances to make it difficult to launch nukes was too much work so the guys staffing the place had just set all the password to 00000000 to make it easy to launch everything, also they were all on drugs and going insane I wonder how much of them going insane had to do with the two man rule. You go through training and it's all esprit de corps rah rah die for your teammates, then you get stationed and told to assume your teammates are all commie spies at all times. The guy who punched a whole in the side of a missle in Command and Control said his solution was him and his maintenance partner just disregarded the two man rule at all times and went about their business in the interst of time, but I have to imagine there were people who took it more seriously and it hurt their brains.
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BitcoinRockefeller posted:I wonder how much of them going insane had to do with the two man rule. You go through training and it's all esprit de corps rah rah die for your teammates, then you get stationed and told to assume your teammates are all commie spies at all times. The guy who punched a whole in the side of a missle in Command and Control said his solution was him and his maintenance partner just disregarded the two man rule at all times and went about their business in the interst of time, but I have to imagine there were people who took it more seriously and it hurt their brains. the us missile people are also the biggest fail rejects in the Air Force. Remember how they all had to cheat to pass their multiple choice tests on how to do their job? You don’t join the Air Force to sit in a cold bunker in Minot ND, so they get the idiots who can’t do anything else.
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Laterite posted:somewhere joseph heller is laughing his rear end off as part of this McKinsey modeled that work cycle of the shipyard and basically produced a model of what happens to a work force when you suddenly dump a whole bunch of work on a work force. basically everybody works hard for about two weeks. then people start to get tired and productivity falls. then everything gets more behind. then people get burned out. then a feed back loop starts up. people quit, new people aren’t as productive because they need training, things get more behind, everything goes to poo poo, in systemic way you can’t escape. good times. I showed it to my last employer. they had sent me to a graduate program that did case studies on the model in one of my classes. hey this is why everybody is unhappy in the field and here’s how to fix it and make more money. it went about as well as you’d expect lmao.
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corporate behaviour begins making more sense when you realize that it’s not actually about the money, it’s about power and control, the money is simply a token
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Hmmph could it be possible China is owning everyone in shipbuilding in cost effectiveness because they spent zillions in everything else that isn't troops, cops and insurance rackets
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why is my nation failing, i say as my $3500 insulin bill goes to a person building a bitcoin mining bunker in new zealand
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Real hurthling! posted:rocket science is the thing people compare to the hardest thing you can do surely all the rocket science was done in the 50s and the people who mind the buttons aren’t doing things like updating the math
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Jan 30, 2022 23:50
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wolfs posted:surely all the rocket science was done in the 50s and the people who mind the buttons aren’t doing things like updating the math they do make you do math in training, so rocket people all have great asvab scores but are also lazy and/or insane
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controls theory is the rocket science math it’s diff eqs.
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modern physics < controls < modeling combustion in the cylinder IMO.
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Bar Ran Dun posted:as part of this McKinsey modeled that work cycle of the shipyard and basically produced a model of what happens to a work force when you suddenly dump a whole bunch of work on a work force. basically everybody works hard for about two weeks. then people start to get tired and productivity falls. then everything gets more behind. then people get burned out. then a feed back loop starts up. people quit, new people aren’t as productive because they need training, things get more behind, everything goes to poo poo, in systemic way you can’t escape. hi can you point me in the direction of more info on this
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Trabisnikof posted:the us missile people are also the biggest fail rejects in the Air Force. Remember how they all had to cheat to pass their multiple choice tests on how to do their job? yeah people join the air force to fly fighter jets, so you can imagine how far the gap between expectations and reality is for someone who joined thinking they would be zooming around like tom cruise in top gun and instead spend their entire tour of duty sitting in an underground bunker in wyoming under orders to be ready to end the world in five minutes if they ever get a certain phone call
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that said a government job I dream about would be nuclear waste minder driving an electric golf cart around under New Mexico paid to make sure atoms decay but no, we can’t even get yucca mountain as a waste repository going after 20 years of studies and fights about it
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JAY ZERO SUM GAME posted:hi can you point me in the direction of more info on this I’ve been looking for the drawing of the model. when I find it I’ll post it. unfortunately I’ve moved twice and changed computers three times in the last two years.
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just fuckin make nuclear energy no one gives a poo poo about anything. we just want our stupid poo poo and we will die to preserve it (but not in a cool way)
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vyelkin posted:yeah people join the air force to fly fighter jets, so you can imagine how far the gap between expectations and reality is for someone who joined thinking they would be zooming around like tom cruise in top gun and instead spend their entire tour of duty sitting in an underground bunker in wyoming under orders to be ready to end the world in five minutes if they ever get a certain phone call unless you gently caress up in training, or you're an officer, you know your job before signing your contract if you're a USAF officer and don't get to be a pilot, shut the gently caress up your life will be wonderful no matter what happens
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i say swears online posted:unless you gently caress up in training, or you're an officer, you know your job before signing your contract My brother joined the USAF to be a firefighter. He was told he would be. He signed a contract saying he would be. Turned out during the Bush era the gov't passed a law saying you can lie for recruiting - including on the contracts in writing. He never once got an opportunity to even try out for firefighting, despite being generally near the top of things. Ultimately I think it worked out better, he got a position he basically never deploys in and pays great once he leaves. But they sure as poo poo can and do lie in the contracts.
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military firefighting (navy is the worst) is probably second to infantry as most dangerous job, he lucked out lol
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Bar Ran Dun posted:it’s possible they only had anodes but I think that would be a dumb choice professionally. they were still designing them way back when I was at the Academy so I don’t know and am only guessing. I worked with the primary engineer that designed these fuckers. The only thing I'm probably allowed to say is - he was a loving idiot and the core idea is Legos. Giant metal poo poo doesn't work like legos.
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can confirm vessel firefighting is utterly terrifying. on the commercial side vessel are set up to just nope out of an engine room fire by inerting with CO2. which is also terrifying . those CO2 siren are a sound you never ever want to hear. some vessel fires you just can’t put out. like when coal carrying bulk carriers have a hold fire. they just discharge the burning coal to the pier.
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1st_Panzer_Div. posted:I worked with the primary engineer that designed these fuckers. At least tell me he wasn’t a Kings Pointer .
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Bar Ran Dun posted:as part of this McKinsey modeled that work cycle of the shipyard and basically produced a model of what happens to a work force when you suddenly dump a whole bunch of work on a work force. basically everybody works hard for about two weeks. then people start to get tired and productivity falls. then everything gets more behind. then people get burned out. then a feed back loop starts up. people quit, new people aren’t as productive because they need training, things get more behind, everything goes to poo poo, in systemic way you can’t escape. I'm not sure I entirely know what you're talking about. This does not match what I've seen and if you're doing anything DoD then EVMS will be the guiding PM format, not McKinsey 7S; unless you're talking pure civilian MCS here. poo poo generally starts to fall behind because of poor management reserve planning - ships ALWAYS will have unexpected additional work. And that's just repairs. edit: whoops you to I 1st_Panzer_Div. has issued a correction as of 20:16 on Jan 31, 2022 |
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wolfs posted:that said a government job I dream about would be nuclear waste minder you can live this dream today in the occasionally lovely evirons of Hanford Wa. a friend was an accountant there. you do need a giant security clearance though, I guess to make sure you don't steal any of those precious leaking waste drums?
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Bar Ran Dun posted:“The list of deleted items includes something called a "Cathodic Protection System," which is designed to prevent electrolysis.” they cut it to save money. that would have to have had to occurred over significant opposition. bobby jindal volcano monitoring air quotes dot mp4
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wolfs posted:that said a government job I dream about would be nuclear waste minder  *looks at a giger counter* yup, still atoms *watches youtube*
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1st_Panzer_Div. posted:poo poo generally starts to fall behind because of poor management reserve planning - ships ALWAYS will have unexpected additional work. And that's just repairs. "maintenance work" is synonymous to "an unnecessary item to cost cut to the moon" for management types
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1st_Panzer_Div. posted:I'm not sure I entirely know what you're talking about. This does not match what I've seen and if you're doing anything DoD then EVMS will be the guiding PM format, not McKinsey 7S; unless you're talking pure civilian MCS here. so this made me go when did I read this and what time period was it addressing and when are my own personal experiences and I may be out of date and maybe it’s actually changed. it was about late significant design changes that were occurring causing a cascading labor crunch at the shipyard. I’m still going to see if I can dig it up. the conversion is at the point where my memory is not cutting it . I’m finding my self thinking well that was a decade ago I read it and two since I’ve been in a shipyard. getting old sucks.
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Palladium posted:"maintenance work" is synonymous to "an unnecessary item to cost cut to the moon" for management types The first factory job I had the maintenance manager had a sign over his office door that said "good maintenance is expensive, bad maintenance is extravagant." I still remember it almost 20 years later because every new place I go I end up thinking drat, we're some extravagant mother fuckers up in here.
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BitcoinRockefeller posted:The first factory job I had the maintenance manager had a sign over his office door that said "good maintenance is expensive, bad maintenance is extravagant." I still remember it almost 20 years later because every new place I go I end up thinking drat, we're some extravagant mother fuckers up in here. the rest of the phrase is ‘no maintenance is the next guy’s problem’
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Bar Ran Dun posted:can confirm vessel firefighting is utterly terrifying. on the commercial side vessel are set up to just nope out of an engine room fire by inerting with CO2. which is also terrifying . those CO2 siren are a sound you never ever want to hear. And for the Navy, we just recently learned that their firefighting efforts are so incompetent the vessel will definitely burn down.
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I found a very small part of it, not McKinsey, Pugh-Robert’s.
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