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Buck Turgidson posted:arch linux has to be a troll right? you install this thing and half the packages are in the aur, so then you need to install what's essentially another package manager, then it's a diceroll as to whether the packages fail to build or break in a day or two, and you have to waste time troubleshooting just use fedora if you want an up-to-date, but working distro, op arch is for people who's hobby is janitoring this poo poo
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what packages have you had break because over the last two years or so i haven't had any problems the only arch packaging annoyance i have is it seems like they've got a new colonel update roughly every 30ms. i need to reboot pretty quick after doing those updates or else i forget and some stuff will stop working (like usb sticks won't mount properly) until i finally remember to reboot
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well the two funniest breakages so far have been: paru, an aur helper and yay, an aur helper there were a few other things but it doesn't matter, moved on already. just wanted to give arch a spin
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pseudorandom name posted:also pkexec doesn't have the interpreter, it asks polkitd via dbus if the action is allowed and polkitd does the javascript evaluation since they own Linux and have a bunch of experience with it, IBM should slide Mach in underneath so they can switch infrastructure like this from D-Bus to real kernel-facilitated IPC
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eschaton posted:since they own Linux and have a bunch of experience with it, IBM should slide Mach in underneath so they can switch infrastructure like this from D-Bus to real kernel-facilitated IPC
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The_Franz posted:just use fedora if you want an up-to-date, but working distro, op if you want an up to date distro you probably want the wrong thing. in particular fedora is never the correct choice however agreed that arch is most like a collection of binaries that nobody will try to stop you from turning into a working system. use debian or ubuntu lts if you want something that works
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Buck Turgidson posted:arch linux has to be a troll right? you install this thing and half the packages are in the aur, so then you need to install what's essentially another package manager, then it's a diceroll as to whether the packages fail to build or break in a day or two, and you have to waste time troubleshooting arch linux is fun, op but also if you're using the AUR yeah all bets are off, that's by design. u dont need a package manager for it either tbqh which can help for cases like this one
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arch Linux is for people who think operating systems are supposed to be fun
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that's right. im not recommending u use it to host servers or whatever. but if u like computers while hating them, it's good
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there are two groups of linux users 1. people who use computers as a means to some end (consuming entertainment media, performing compensated labor etc) 2. people whose hobby is installing and configuring computer software there are a lot of linux distributions that primarily cater to group number 2. i would suggest they find a more fulfilling hobby and stop misrepresenting their efforts as something useful to group number 1.
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Arch linux has been working great for me since ~2015, and it's been much less annoying to janitor than my macbook and my windows desktop. I think it's only really "broken" once (and was easy to fix once I checked /r/archlinux), and it doesn't get in my way if I ever want to do something kinda complicated. Sorry if you've had a bad experience with it though OP 
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What sort of janitoring do you do on a Mac exactly I mean unless you're doing any kind of software development, in which case apple absolutely hates you and wants you to suffer
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VikingofRock posted:Arch linux has been working great for me since ~2015, and it's been much less annoying to janitor than my macbook and my windows desktop. I think it's only really "broken" once (and was easy to fix once I checked /r/archlinux), and it doesn't get in my way if I ever want to do something kinda complicated. Sorry if you've had a bad experience with it though OP hi ive missed ur c++ posts !!!
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I'm considering installing Arch Linux on an old beater laptop as a learning experience. Am I an idiot?
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it'll be a good time
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Lady Radia posted:hi ive missed ur c++ posts !!! Thanks! I'm trying to spend less time online (including on SA), but I still lurk YOSPOS — I should catch up on the terrible programmer's thread and effortpost there more. I always loved that community. Sapozhnik posted:What sort of janitoring do you do on a Mac exactly It was the software development, of course. Also, my recollection is that things used to break for me when I'd update the OS, but nowadays I mostly use my linux laptop so it's a moot point. Also I think my macbook got EoL'd at some point. The Wisest Moron posted:I'm considering installing Arch Linux on an old beater laptop as a learning experience. Am I an idiot? I definitely learned a bit from my initial arch set-up -- mostly it's not stuff that is useful day-to-day, but also the knowledge has helped me a few times. I say go for it!
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I use Gentoo btw.
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Lady Radia posted:hi ive missed ur c++ posts !!!
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mystes posted:You're a very generous grader
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VikingofRock posted:I definitely learned a bit from my initial arch set-up -- mostly it's not stuff that is useful day-to-day, but also the knowledge has helped me a few times. I say go for it! Sweet, time to go break some poo poo
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mystes posted:You're a very generous grader
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mystes posted:You're a very generous grader oh my god
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mystes posted:You're a very generous grader Lol
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installing Arch is nothing more than unzipping a tar file onto your hard drive. install Gentoo
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Baxate posted:installing Arch is nothing more than unzipping a tar file onto your hard drive. I thought that was slackware
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The Wisest Moron posted:I'm considering installing Arch Linux on an old beater laptop as a learning experience. Am I an idiot? Yes, Arch is just a more or less polished version of 20+ year old ideas. Install NixOS instead and experience unpolished versions of ideas from 20 years in the future. AUR is such a goddamn unprincipled mess that I have no idea why it keeps getting brought up as a good feature.
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I read about NixOS last week, and I just don’t get it. Like the idea from a tech janitor perspective kind of makes sense - needing an ability to test critical software before upgrading. But the nightmare of being ability to install thousands of variations of the same package does not solve that problem. And trying to remember to call the right package for the particular tool you are trying to test. just a mess. Why not just standardize libraries as a distro? Why not just have a testing instance of your server or whatever? Why does solving a real problem involve a complicated nightmarish new distro?
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RocketLunatic posted:Why not just standardize libraries as a distro? oh wow, you've solved software, you should go out in the world and tell them to just standardize things
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Cybernetic Vermin posted:oh wow, you've solved software, you should go out in the world and tell them to just standardize things I will, good sir. Also it is why I use the superior MacOS which has this feature already.
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Athas posted:Yes, Arch is just a more or less polished version of 20+ year old ideas. quote:Declarative configuration model oh mama 
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nixos is solving 2005's problems with next generation technology. the future is immutable /, not getting better at munging your install also nixpkgs is basically The Ring as a software repo
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Nomnom Cookie posted:the future is immutable /, go on...
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the sequel to slashdot
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Immutable /usr really. I use Fedora Silverblue on my desktop and I like it a lot. Toolbox containers for command line tools, Podman containers for dev servers, Flatpak containers for desktop applications. System upgrades build a new hidden /usr in the background and you switch to it by rebooting. The version for servers is called Fedora CoreOS but that's very much a some-assembly-required sort of deal.
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i'm gonna laugh my rear end off when immutable filesystem root leads to linux reinventing /cfg like nanobsd had in 2005
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We'll call it /etc2
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post hole digger posted:/cfg sounds good to me op Antigravitas posted:We'll call it /etc2
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