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Someone convince me not to replace my Karma Comedian fucked around with this message at 17:27 on Jan 28, 2022 |
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Jan 28, 2022 14:54
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Karma Comedian posted:Someone convince me not to replace my running rigging with dyneema You don't NEED dyneema for running rigging, its great for STANDING rigging. i use a combo of sta-set and xls3 https://www.defender.com/category.jsp?name=recreational-and-cruising-lines&path=-1%7C2078767&id=2079473 if you want really fancy stuff https://www.defender.com/category.jsp?name=competition-lines&path=-1%7C2078767&id=2078774
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wargames posted:You don't NEED dyneema for running rigging, its great for STANDING rigging. Standing is what I meant lmao Scored a super fancy high end Llebroc helm seat for $200, swapping out the old tired plastic bucket.
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Karma Comedian posted:Standing is what I meant lmao if you do standing then remember after you put it up you will get 10-12% stretch, so tighten, wait, tighten, wait, tighten.
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For a doofus landsman, why is encapsulated concrete such a big no-no?
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MrYenko posted:For a doofus landsman, why is encapsulated concrete such a big no-no? Cement weighs around 150 lbs. per cu. ft. Cast iron weighs around 450 lbs. per cu. ft. Lead weighs around 700 lbs. per cu ft. quote:
As you can imagine from the above, pouring concrete into a steel hull - which traditionally rust from the inside out - is loving stupid. 
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Yeah anything by Robert Perry is gospel as far as I'm concerned, he is a degreed naval architect with like almost 50 years experience. He did the valiant 42, passport 40, baba 30 etc too many to mention really. Oh and the flying tiger 10 which was an interesting collaboration done with sailing forum Sailing Anarchywargames posted:if you do standing then remember after you put it up you will get 10-12% stretch, so tighten, wait, tighten, wait, tighten. Too lazy to pull the numbers right now but I think it's more like 3-4% ? And that only occurs above x% of breaking load. I guess you still have to retension it but seems like if you rebuilt your standing rigging and installed it yourself that's not a tremendous problem There's always the chaffing discussion, which I'm not going to participate in today but definitely worth consideration
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 This is a Silva masttop wind sensor. I don't know how old it is but it's hooked up to a Nexus NX2 system that was first available on the Swedish market in 2007 so probably not that old. Then again I've seen references to older sensors being compatible with NX2 so it might be older (e: I think the previous sentence is wrong; it's probably from around the turn of the millennium or possibly even the 90's). Either way it's been having some annoying issues last summer with apparent wind angles, on one tack in particular it's been off by like 20 degrees. We don't sail competitively so it's not a huge deal but still annoying. The way it works is, the propeller is attached to the black-and-white marble and when the marble spins two optical sensors (on the plastic arms on the tiny little circuit board) measure its rotation speed. The arms are at an approximately 45 degree angle to each other and fixed in relation to the boat's orientation, but the propeller housing and the marble is free to rotate around the horizon. The weird pattern on the marble hence allows the sensors to determine the wind direction in relation to the boat. I had been thinking that the error was perhaps because the marble had gotten dirty, but nope, it's squeaky clean. One of the bearings that the propeller housing rotates on (the lower one seen to the right of the PCB in the pic above) is definitely shot though, it squeaks and crunches when you rotate it. Not sure if it's even possible to replace, I have some idea how to replace bearings on a steel shaft but this is some kind of plastic. In any case I now suspect the error to be electrical and also my own drat fault. Last spring when I assembled this I packed some dielectric grease into the plug in a well-meaning attempt to prevent corrosion. When I took a multimeter to the pins now though I noticed they weren't actually isolated from each other, there was some connection there. Megaohm range sure, but still there. Cleaned the grease out and the connection was gone. Since these are extremely low current electronics I suspect the grease was giving me some crosstalk between channels or somesuch. I should've seen that coming. I really should replace this thing, it doesn't seem long for this world, but I don't think there are any new NX2 compatible sensors anymore (it doesn't talk to sensors with NMEA and only supports NMEA0183 in/out for other devices) so to replace this I'd have to also replace all the five cockpit displays (well, four plus electronic compass), the log and the depth sounder and I don't wannnaaaaa.  I'm sure this cable will be fine for another decade right? TheFluff fucked around with this message at 03:06 on Jan 30, 2022 |
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Rime fucked around with this message at 03:58 on Aug 6, 2022 |
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Jan 29, 2022 19:57
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Rime posted:Cement weighs around 150 lbs. per cu. ft. So what I'm taking away from this is I should look for a boat with a tungsten ballast?
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Nidhg00670000 posted:So what I'm taking away from this is I should look for a boat with a tungsten ballast? Iridium.
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So I think my Raymarine xp30 finally poo poo the bilge. I have all Raymarine electronics and hydraulic steering so I'm looking to decide on specifically Raymarine upgrades. I'm weighing the ev-200s as a (mostly) plug and play replacement. Anybody here make a similar upgrade? Are there other options I should weigh?
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So the US Navy has a program where every ~10 years or so they comission a fleet of 5-12 sailboats called "Navy 44" and they just abuse the hell out of them in proper military fashion, so they're built to be just absolutely bullet proof Anyways eventually they are decommissioned and sold off when they have the new fleet delivered. These boats get bought at government auction prices, then refurbished and sold for a pretty penny since they have legendary build quality + maintained to the highest standard since they're sort of the red headed stepchild boating program to the blue angels Anyways anyways, there are some for sale, current bid is $20k https://gsaauctions.gov/gsaauctions/aucdsclnk?sl=31QSCI22023004
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Hadlock posted:So the US Navy has a program where every ~10 years or so they comission a fleet of 5-12 sailboats called "Navy 44" and they just abuse the hell out of them in proper military fashion, so they're built to be just absolutely bullet proof Thats cool, thanks for the tip. I've seen a lot of auxiliary boats listed on the West Coast and I had sorta wondered what the story was. It didn't occur to me that the Navy, Coast Guard, or Sea Scouts would be building new fiberglass ships. https://www.yachtworld.com/yacht/1988-lm-30-pilothouse-motor-sailer-8056760/ As I may have mentioned previously ITT, I'm very seriously considering a liveaboard. This 1988 LM30 boat checks a lot of boxes, but I don't really know anything about boats. Seems like this is a rare motorsailor that sails well, its a bit of an oddball model for its location but they're generally recognized as well built, and it seems like its in excellent condition. Of course none of that means anything until I've physically seen the boat, but what am I missing?
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Vampire Panties posted:
Chances are that you'll recoup your expenses within 6-9 months if you're already living in SF proper, within 18 months for anywhere else Be aware that the dating pool of women who will date a guy who lives on a boat has almost zero overlap with women who will date a guy who doesn't live on a boat, although the livaboard pool make for some great stories Don't be a live aboard at Pier 39, the logistics of getting in and out of there, especially on weekends is loving miserable, even if you're walking or biking, Emeryville stopped enforcing parking restrictions sometime in 2018 so it gets very sketch after 10pm, and I have a very high tolerance for sketch TL;DR go for it, living aboard in SF is sort of the "it's insane but you'll almost certainly come out ahead" wildcard of boat ownership That's a very clean boat for 1983 but I wouldn't trust it to go to Mexico, or our the gate for that matter, until you've had it properly inspected and seen the engine start from cold
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Hadlock posted:Chances are that you'll recoup your expenses within 6-9 months if you're already living in SF proper, within 18 months for anywhere else Thank you for the advice. You hit the nail on the head - it'll be crazy, but the cost of living is so much cheaper that it makes a stupid kind of sense. Plus my career has changed with covid - I'm location agnostic so I like the idea of being able to take my home up and down the coast, albeit with serious time and effort. Also completely agree on not getting out of the "Gate - there's a lot of stuff that I need to see work, work well, and work numerous times before I think about going anywhere. TBH I'm excited - this ship coooooould be the world cruising platform I've been dreaming about. Ideally I'd convert the diesel to electric and add some batteries and solar and have a real pocket cruiser. EDIT: re: dating pool - I quit drinking 9+ years ago. From my experience on dating apps, I'd guess that I'm already dating in the liveaboard pool anyway
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Yeah with a boat cost of living zeros out pretty quick, and that's assuming you just walk away from the boat and leave it for salvage. If you manage to sell the boat at any price, the payback period decreases dramatically I mean this in all sincerity, good luck being the one non functional-alcoholic in the entire marina. I don't personally care about whatever, but be aware most boats are floating
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I made a dumb video, criticize me. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KyzxpjI4NXw
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Hadlock posted:Yeah with a boat cost of living zeros out pretty quick, and that's assuming you just walk away from the boat and leave it for salvage. If you manage to sell the boat at any price, the payback period decreases dramatically yeah, my relationship with alcohol is not traditional by any means - never attended a single meeting, just decided to quit one day after a really rough weekend. TBH if I really understood the ostracism of not drinking, I never would've quit, but that's not a story for the boat thread! I've worked in enterprise sales through all of it, so I'm really cool with hanging out with booze lovers. Also,  until the Sun melts. Also yeah the cost of living on a boat is pennies compared to rent - if I could make this boat work for a year or two, the money I'd save would either buy a much larger and nicer boat, or it could work towards a down payment on a house (  i'm never going to afford a house in california, even the crappy parts) Even if I only go day sailing, or just motor around whichever Bay i'm anchored in and hire a crew to move it up and down the coast, its STILL cheap as chips compared to buying or renting. Quite frankly the marinas here in SD are nicer, cleaner, safer, and have way more amenities than any of the shithole apartments I've rented lately. Having a pool and laundry on site would be a big step up 
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As someone who works remotely and just bought a sailboat and is going to live on it and work from it starting soon, a few things to consider: Make sure the boat isn't just comfortable to live on, but also work on (unless you're the type to work entirely from cafes). Make sure the salon or cockpit are comfortable, dry places for you to be typing on your laptop. Think about ergonomics, too! Look into 4G or 5G hotspot modems and plans. For Puget Sound, T-Mobile has the best coverage with 5G all the way up through the San Juans, so I'm planning on getting an unlocked Netgear MR5200 to use (primarily) T-Mobile data-only plans on. Make sure you have power generation figured out. Presumably you won't be able to find a liveaboard marina slip on short notice so you'll be living at anchor. Maybe you'll get lucky and will have a marina slip so you'll have power and this isn't as much as a worry, but that also defeats the point of having a boat! Ensure your battery capacity and power generation (alternator + solar(?) + wind(?)) are sufficient for your power needs. (I'm still figuring this last one out)
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Kenshin posted:As someone who works remotely and just bought a sailboat and is going to live on it and work from it starting soon, a few things to consider: Yes to all of this! Actually a big reason why I want to jump on this particular boat https://www.yachtworld.com/yacht/1988-lm-30-pilothouse-motor-sailer-8056760/ - The pilothouse will be a nice area to do laptop stuff or even mount a screen, and I'm fairly confident I can convert the setee to a full desk if I want. I havent gotten quite this far re: internet access yet. All of the marinas I've looked at here in SD had wifi + you could sign up for residential internet out to the slip. i'm going to really dig into this once I have more particulars on the boat & marina. re: electricity - this is one of my biggest concerns. real meaningful solar that gets consistent sun seems to be a real challenge on a sailboat. In a perfect world I'd convert everything that consumes fuel to electric - electric stove top and grille, electric water heater, electric inboard -but I've only started to scratch the surface on how that would all work. I'm a pretty big nerd (check the reg date ) so I feel confident I can figure out a laptop and a battery and a solar panel as a minimum, but its going to be a huge learning process beyond that. I've already talked myself out of through-hulls for a saltwater cooling loop for a custom low wattage gaming PC.
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One of the things I am looking at this year in case I want to wait on doing a full lithium upgrade (since I also need to build a solar arch/convert my bimini into one) is something like this: https://www.bluettipower.com/products/eb70s-716wh-800w-portable-power-station-best-solar-generator-for-camping I may need to lightly tweak my electrical setup but I should be able to charge something like that off the alternator on the engine or plugged in on land (either the boat being docked or just carrying the power station to a cafe or something) But, I'm not even sure I need that yet--my existing lead-acid + alternator setup might be enough for the time being, although I suspect if my partner is also aboard and working off her computer full time (as is the plan, though not necessarily the immediate plan) that may not be quite enough. I'm just as big of a nerd, but I've also been researching exactly this stuff for years. If you aren't already I'd suggest looking at the battery + tech focused episodes of Delos, because Brian is just as big of a nerd. Similarly some of the episodes of Sailing Sophisticated Lady, Captain Rick has an enormous lithium + solar setup, large enough that he's even able to run AC along with electric stoves.
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You can also get yourself on waiting lists for marina liveaboard slips and then bounce around marinas maxing out their transient dockage until you get the call Re: my autopilot woes, looking at my hydraulic ram it looks like I'll need the Evolution 400.  Hopefully I can fix my xp30
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Vampire Panties posted:
I've installed wifi for a marina before, and if you want to rely on marina wifi, you're going to want an extender kit that places an antenna outside your boat that connects to the marina wifi, then a router of your own inside to provide ethernet ports and rebroadcast the wifi to your devices. The materials boats are made out of, as well as being close to or below waterline doesn't do well for connecting to wifi inside the boat. Something like this: https://wifiranger.com/shop/bundles/teton-pack/
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n0tqu1tesane posted:I've installed wifi for a marina before, and if you want to rely on marina wifi, you're going to want an extender kit that places an antenna outside your boat that connects to the marina wifi, then a router of your own inside to provide ethernet ports and rebroadcast the wifi to your devices. The materials boats are made out of, as well as being close to or below waterline doesn't do well for connecting to wifi inside the boat. Thanks for the link. I had sorta figured I would want/need some sort of range extender package to bring wifi down into the boat properly. I also wanted to look at directional wifi antennas, but I'm not sure how to mount that high enough to clear ground clutter, while also not so high that its oscillating 8 feet back and forth as the boat rocks in the slip or at anchor. Karma Comedian posted:You can also get yourself on waiting lists for marina liveaboard slips and then bounce around marinas maxing out their transient dockage until you get the call I've given this some thought as well. I dont know about specifically in the Bay, but at least in SD there are transient anchorages run by the port with decent facilities and a very sheltered location that are available to out-of-towners.
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Enforcement of live aboard status depends a lot on how nice your boat/finger pier looks, and if they ever have to talk to you, and how often you use your key fob to access the shore bathroom. But if you get kicked out of a marina for violating live aboard rules, it's gonna be really hard to find another slip Brisbane seems to be the only marina that might actively enforce live aboard rules, and even then you've got to cause trouble for them to notice Emeryville I don't think had any staff member in the office for more than three months and their harbormaster was full time remote out of Seattle Pier 39 is a very wink and nod culture, so long as you're not running like a meth lab or brothel on your boat, they also have a very interesting policy that you can't join their liveaboard list until you have a slip agreement with them
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Vampire Panties posted:I've given this some thought as well. I dont know about specifically in the Bay, but at least in SD there are transient anchorages run by the port with decent facilities and a very sheltered location that are available to out-of-towners. On the east coast you can generally dock at most marinas as a full time transient cruiser for 90 days. So we moved marinas every three months between three or four different ones until we got a permanent slip.
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Vampire Panties posted:yeah, my relationship with alcohol is not traditional by any means - never attended a single meeting, just decided to quit one day after a really rough weekend. Ha that’s pretty much my exact story too. I lived aboard in Sausalito for several years, I’m happy to chat if you’d like my advice, send me a PM. I will say that the only time I have ever felt seasick was detailing a boat at Pier 39. The surge in there is nuts.
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Big Taint posted:
Yep it does this twice a day, every day. Owned boat for six years, replaced two dock lines out an abundance of caution. Had boat on B dock of pier 39 for three months, complely severed at least three dock lines that I know of G dock, the dock furthest from the shore, has the least surge, weirdly, but that's like comparing a neighbor who's kids have a punk rock garage band, vs a death metal band both who practice till midnight https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WPghS37hSIg
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This is like pie in the sky, daydream stuff, but all the talk about liveaboard things on this page has me convinced to ask. I like to watch youtube videos about living on boats or solo camping on uninhabited islands, and I often just imagine retiring early, buying a boat, and trying my hand at it. I'm not misanthropic nor do I really have problems with social anxiety, but I'm a quiet person and when I have nothing else that needs doing I kind of like to kick back with a book or something. So the idea of living on a boat, getting away from it all for a week or two, maybe anchoring off a quiet island and doing some fishing and reading, then coming back for groceries/laundry/etc has an appeal. I wasn't really looking at a sailboat; honestly sails kind of make me nervous (I saw a video once of someone getting knocked overboard when the wind shifted and suddenly moved the sails, which I can totally see happening when I'm the only one onboard), not to mention being retirement plans I want to avoid anything too physically taxing. Instead I've watched a few videos about solar electric or hybrid catamarans (Youtube being Youtube, I watched one and got endless recommendations for more) and really like the idea. There's the whole Silent Yacht series but they look way out of my price range, not to mention probably being targeted for someone that hires a crew, but something like this makes me drool. Ideally I'd prefer more emphasis on solar, though, just relying on a generator as backup if I want to move faster. I'm not married and probably won't, while putting away a fair bit for retirement, so something in that range isn't inconceivable if I don't plan on having a house. Just not 3 million for a Silent Yacht or anything. I'd say hopefully a solar electric would be relatively cheap to maintain but I've heard salt water can be hell on electronics so I have no idea; I look at the fancy controls in that video and hope there's a manual backup. I was thinking east coast, maybe going up and down the coast or spending some time in the Keys, or the Caribbean if I'm feeling adventurous. Though of course that means having to worry about hurricanes, which I figure I could hopefully deal with by getting out of their way. I'd love to visit England or something, but alone on a boat, especially older, I'm thinking an ocean crossing might be pushing it. The west coast would be nice with all the west coast cities to visit and the lack of hurricanes, but I've heard the ocean is a bit rougher for low skilled sailors? I'm 39 now, so this is distant future kind of stuff, but given how little I know about marinas and boating I figured I'd ask for a bit of a sanity check on the idea; I can always find another fancy retirement to daydream about. Safety is definitely a consideration for me; how safe is taking a boat that size out alone generally considered to be? All the videos of course show them in perfectly clear sunny weather with barely any chop, but I know that's not something to count on, and if I was going to just keep it in a marina I'd probably explore other options (I used to consider the retire to living on a cruise ship idea, but then Covid happened and made that much less attractive). Or are there any other obvious flaws in the idea I'm missing?
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Retiring aboard a trawler is pretty common in the Seattle/Puget Sound area. Marinas are full of mid-size, mid-budget motor yachts that people live aboard. I don't really know much about running one in bluewater, but many of them are quite capable from what I understand, and the idea of doing it around the Keys or Bahamas is pretty reasonable. I'd strongly recommend taking some boating classes and getting out on the water and getting some experience so you know what to expect, and living aboard a boat means either learning how to repair/maintain just about everything or spending loads of money for pros to do it.
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Bremen posted:how safe is taking a boat that size out alone generally considered to be? All the videos of course show them in perfectly clear sunny weather with barely any chop, but I know that's not something to count on, and if I was going to just keep it in a marina I'd probably explore other options (I used to consider the retire to living on a cruise ship idea, but then Covid happened and made that much less attractive). Or are there any other obvious flaws in the idea I'm missing? One of my (many) favorite boating quotes is, "What is the most dangerous thing a sailor can own? A: a calendar" There is some debate these days about what's required of a boat to get you from A to B, especially crossing oceans etc. Even up into the mid-1990s long term ocean weather data/forecasting was pretty difficult/expensive to come by, and not always terribly reliable. You might know about a hurricane/tropical depression forming off the coast of africa and very roughly be able to track it/guesstimate it's path, but otherwise localized storms etc, you just had to have a boat capable of navigating a hurricane with average positional accuracy of 15-30 miles Modern weather forecasting + global satellite internet mean that not only can you pick the fastest route, but also the flattest route weeks in advance, and have an autopilot to keep you well on course within a couple hundred feet the TL;DR is that if you're well enough informed, you can avoid 99% of storms just by picking the right season and weather window. There's a reason why the california to hawaii races all happen in the dead of summer 1) longest days = shorter time spent night sailing and 2) there's a huge calm zone (called the north pacific high) that you skirt around, giving you pretty calm seas Can you sail to weather to russia in january, battling 20-30 foot waves and 50 mph winds? Sure! Sounds loving awful, I don't know of anyone who's attempted that. Can you sail downwind from japan in late spring to russia to alaska to seattle, then hawaii, sipping sake, vodka, milwaukee's best, starbucks and mai tais the whole way, never spilling a drop? absolutely Somewhere in a box I have my dad's 3rd or 4th edition of World Cruising Routes: https://www.amazon.com/World-Cruising-Routes-Sailing-Oceans/dp/1999722949/ If you buy this book and look at the maps you'll notice that they roughly follow the "trade routes" of old, i.e. downwind, flat sea sailing The people sailing into storms and poo poo in 2022 are volvo ocean racers, round-the-world world record attempts and container ships who are physically bigger than the waves they're plowing through You'll want to build confidence and skills now so you're ready when you pull the trigger. There are lots of 60+ people cruising the planet, you need to be healthy and strong but single/double-handing a boat under ideal to good conditions isn't too crazy of a goal   
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I was idling browsing boats today and have to say this one looks pretty drat cool: https://www.yachtworld.com/yacht/1980-blue-water-ingrid-38-8020331/ But I don't know how to sail, and I like being married, so I'm just posting it in here.
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Pham Nuwen posted:I was idling browsing boats today and have to say this one looks pretty drat cool: https://www.yachtworld.com/yacht/1980-blue-water-ingrid-38-8020331/ That is such an insane loving deal that there must be a catch, there's a ferrocement Ingrid for sale down in Mexico for $50k right now. Those boats are beautiful and will go anywhere.
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Kenshin posted:Retiring aboard a trawler is pretty common in the Seattle/Puget Sound area. Marinas are full of mid-size, mid-budget motor yachts that people live aboard. Haha, yeah, I'm not crazy enough to just buy a boat without any prep, don't worry. That's one reason I asked now, if my plan looks feasible I might start planning some vacations for boating classes. I consider myself pretty decent with mechanical and electronic stuff so I'd do my best to learn to maintain it, especially since I'd worry about having something break while I was out at sea. I assume/hope there's some way to call for a tow or something, but I'd guess it's a lot more of an issue than it would be if your car breaks on land.
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Rime posted:That is such an insane loving deal that there must be a catch, It's a kit build that's been sitting for almost 15 years, the bare hull before that had been sitting for ~16 years prior to that, no details about the original owner or kit builder, quality of materials used, etc Will the keel fall fall off just floating in the slip? Probably not?
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