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Hadlock posted:Want to order a pair of electric bikes for my wife and I Would you consider a heavy as hell cargo bike, the Blix Packa Genie? We've cut back on a lot of carpool school runs with ours but this guy is using his for beach runs and seems to be doing okay with it.  
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Have a Radrunner, it is definitely easy to get up 17-20mph range, but I don’t enjoy it. I don’t feel safe going that fast (at least on the lovely roads) - perhaps if I had the RR+ with the suspension fork it would be better. Electra Townie bikes have “Flat Foot Geometry” to make it easy to put your foot down at a stop.
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Jamais Vu Again posted:Have a Radrunner, it is definitely easy to get up 17-20mph range, but I don’t enjoy it. I don’t feel safe going that fast (at least on the lovely roads) - perhaps if I had the RR+ with the suspension fork it would be better. yeah I did a test drive on the radrunners too and really didn't like the radrunner. The seat was a nightmare and the bike felt too clunky and heavy to be fun. The radcity was the only one that felt nimble and easy to control to me. Everything else seemed to be more designed for supporting instacart/postmates delivery drivers.
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Feb 1, 2022 07:50
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Which one was the one where Domino's ordered like 2000 units
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Feb 1, 2022 10:55
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El Mero Mero posted:yeah I did a test drive on the radrunners too and really didn't like the radrunner. The seat was a nightmare and the bike felt too clunky and heavy to be fun. The radcity was the only one that felt nimble and easy to control to me. Everything else seemed to be more designed for supporting instacart/postmates delivery drivers. The Rover is fun if you're big. I got some non-knobbly fat bike tires and use it around the city.
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Feb 1, 2022 15:26
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evil_bunnY posted:2800 for a bike with a no-name motor is kinda meh? Academician Nomad fucked around with this message at 17:41 on Feb 1, 2022 |
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Feb 1, 2022 17:36
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I have a hub geared step through dutch e-bike I bought reconditioned that says otherwise
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learnincurve posted:I have a hub geared step through dutch e-bike I bought reconditioned that says otherwise Unfortunately a lot of budget e-bikes become a pile of headaches for their owners.
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Feb 1, 2022 18:58
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in all fairness it was cheap because it was reconditioned, new it would have cost double. One thing I would recommend is the hub gears, this is a rock solid 3 gear Shimano hub with five levels of pedal assist and you basically use that instead of changing gears. I mostly carry lots of stuff so I'm going for stability over speed so I don't know how well that would work on a road bike for example.
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Feb 2, 2022 11:27
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Hadlock posted:Want to order a pair of electric bikes for my wife and I https://www.gazellebikes.com/en-us/models/gazelle-medeo Has Bosch/Shimano and can select different frame styles as well. Academician Nomad posted:It's also a great bike otherwise though. Everything has trade-offs. I love the Gates Carbon drive belt, Enviolo hub, Class 3 option, and battery size. There's no perfect bike that also is cheap. The motor is really the only question mark. Looking around it's a brand from China called Truckrun. That being said, I had to pay a thousand dollars more for a bike with similar specs to that. I think that's the cheapest bike I know that has a Enviolo hub and a belt drive. halokiller fucked around with this message at 13:26 on Feb 2, 2022 |
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Feb 2, 2022 13:06
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I'm really impressed that I can buy a road legal electric scooter (CSC Monterey, basically an electric Honda Super cub) with 20-30 miles range + 1500w motor for $2500 shipped, but if I buy a high quality e bike with 250w motor the price starts at $4000
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Feb 2, 2022 18:56
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I know your whole thing is being dumb as poo poo but lmao at 'why is a lovely version of something cheaper than a nice version of something else'
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Feb 2, 2022 20:11
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Hadlock posted:I'm really impressed that I can buy a road legal electric scooter (CSC Monterey, basically an electric Honda Super cub) with 20-30 miles range + 1500w motor for $2500 shipped, but if I buy a high quality e bike with 250w motor the price starts at $4000 Why don't you just get the Van Moof? It fits all of your criteria. It's $2300, has a 250w motor, is heavily stylized, has a good speed and is also a bicycle.
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I think I opened with the van moof as an option? I can't remember pretty sure I mentioned it. Yeah it looks like a good bike, I'm surprised that they were the high end "apple" option five years ago, and I guess lemond is in the market now, and then you have your specialized/Cannondale, and then there's the black wart models. Nobody else is trying to compete in the "retrogrouch" market beyond van moof and lemond, just seems like innovation has totally stalled out since like 2016, other than that lemond I don't see any products that look any different since the last time I checked in Tesla has a new lithium cell coming out that's 1.8 inches in diameter, should bin pack nicely in a 2 or 2.25" downtube, maybe that will open up options Also looking for a mixte, I guess that specialized bike meets our needs, but doesn't really match the van moof
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Hadlock posted:I think I opened with the van moof as an option? I can't remember pretty sure I mentioned it. Yeah it looks like a good bike, I'm surprised that they were the high end "apple" option five years ago, and I guess lemond is in the market now, and then you have your specialized/Cannondale, and then there's the black wart models. Nobody else is trying to compete in the "retrogrouch" market beyond van moof and lemond, just seems like innovation has totally stalled out since like 2016, other than that lemond I don't see any products that look any different since the last time I checked in I'm not sure what you want. You want a Mixte e-bike where there are a ton of options (one is literally called Mixte) in both classic styling and modern styling. There are a number within your price range, even if it's the higher end of it. https://vekkit.com/products/ebike-mixte https://exploremixte.com/pages/sales-page-vibe https://blixbike.com/products/aveny-electric-city-bike There is also one that you deem perfect, but you don't want to pay for the premium product - which is fine, we may like Ferraris even if we can't afford them. However, there are a number of others that fit your criteria and you seem adamant in complaining that there isn't anything in the market for you. In all honesty, if you perceive a market hole that big that's not filled by the products above (or the Van Moof or LeMond), fill it. You know what you want in a e-bike, others probably want the same thing - so do the thing and start building the thing - it could be an incredible opportunity for you.
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Figured I'd post an update on my radrover 6 plus. Put about 260 miles on it in the last 6 weeks and it's been very impressive. About 2/3 of that was with a 30lb baby on the back of the rear rack too. Starting with the bad, I have only a couple of minor annoyances with it, but I bet I can fix them with more money easily. I need to get a seat that gives me an inch or so more adjustment backwards. I'm on the upper end of their recommended height for it and it's just a little cramped. My other complaint is that the pedals are not as grippy as I'd really like if my shoes are slippery with dirt or mud. Onto the good things though, while slightly heavy with the pedal assist off it just powers through any kind of terrain. The fat tires and suspension are fantastic, I've gone through creekbeds, up dirt and mud trails through the woods where there was no trail, up and down curbs and sidewalks. Thing is amazing. It feels super responsive and easy to ride on rough terrain and actually feels better on the dirt than it does on the street. Battery life so far has actually been at or above what they advertise. They claim 25 miles on max pedal assist or throttle only and about 45 miles on pedal assist 1-2. I've gotten as far as 51 miles on a charge commuting to work and back only and seem to average around 35 miles per charge when hauling the baby and being liberal with the throttle and pedal assist most of the time. The ride is super smooth even in gravel or rocks or mud. It never really feels like it's lacking power even going up root-covered trails or relatively steep inclines. I tend to sit it down in gear 2 with pedal assist 1 or 2 on the trails and that's plenty of power to climb anything but not go too fast and end up out of control. I was not brave or stupid enough to take it out in the ice storm here in Texas last week. Will report back when I get another few hundred miles on it and see if it holds up. Some of the complaints or warnings I read about radpower bikes is the components are either proprietary and hard to replace if they die or lower quality and therefore more likely to fail sooner than later so we will see how that goes.
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evil_bunnY posted:2800 for a bike with a no-name motor is kinda meh? It isn't quite no name. Truckfun? I think that's what it is I don't remember. I probably mentioned in in one of my previous posts but I'm too lazy to go back. It's no Bosch or Bafang though. Duck and Cover fucked around with this message at 08:11 on Feb 9, 2022 |
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Since we are posting Radpower updates: After 2,700 miles on a rad city: -Its time to replace stock rear tire. I forget if it is a holy roller or a knockoff. -Controller is showing error 30. I checked wiring harness with multimeter. I probably need to replace controller. -rear wheel bearing is getting loose again. Hub has seam between spoke flanges, so I will have to unlace half the wheel to get to the bearings. It's fine, but no bike shops want to work on them (for good reason), so you better hope you are handy after the warranty is expired.
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CopperHound posted:Hub has seam between spoke flanges, so I will have to unlace half the wheel to get to the bearings. what the what? not sure I am picturing this correctly, but this sounds ridiculous
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And be vigilant about your break pads. I am healing from a trimalleolar fracture (ankle broken in three places) from breaks going to poo poo while going downhill.
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Man_of_Teflon posted:what the what? not sure I am picturing this correctly, but this sounds ridiculous  The hub splits under that silver tape in the middle instead of the side plates coming off.
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Jamais Vu Again posted:And be vigilant about your break pads. E: here it is: CopperHound posted:I need to take a second to rant and/or give a warning about a thing to look out for: CopperHound fucked around with this message at 20:42 on Feb 9, 2022 |
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CopperHound posted:
drat, and it's mostly held together by facing spoke tension?
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kimbo305 posted:drat, and it's mostly held together by facing spoke tension?
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CopperHound posted:Since we are posting Radpower updates: How the hell do you get the battery pack off the drat thing? There's not like a clear handle or something. e: I've probably put somewhere around 500 cumulative miles on it, no complaints at all, my usual work round-trip was about 9 miles and would perhaps just begin brushing from 5 bars to 4 bars when I got back home.
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Nessus posted:How the hell do you get the battery pack off the drat thing? There's not like a clear handle or something.
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Nessus posted:I have two local bike shops... one of them assembled my Radrunner without any complaint and I intend to ask them about a check up/tune up for it once it gets warm enough for me to ride it down there comfortably. The other said they'd be glad to work on the mechanicals but I'd need to dismount the battery first. If it's the 5, you turn the key to unlocked and push up from the bottom of the battery. Also my bike shop will work on my Rad. I doubt they'd do much with the electronics, but I've taken it in for a tune up and they didn't make any noise about it at all, just asked for the battery key.
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I guess I should have specified 'refuse to work on any thing relating to the electric drive train because the manufacturer does not offer service bulletins or wholesale parts.'
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Ya, I've had shops refuse to touch my Radrunner at all. They've been burned by other ebikes in the past and they won't work on them unless they sell them in the store. Other shops seem fine taking care of the normal bike components though. I luckily haven't had to deal with any electronics problems yet. Speaking of proprietary bits on rad, I ran into an issue recently like that. The chain tensioner is bolted to the bike using an M10 screw with a 1.0mm pitch. I stripped the hell out of that bolt, taking the rear wheel off for yet another flat. Turns out that's a pretty rare pitch for that size bolt. I wasn't able to find a replacement in aluminum or titanium. I ended up with zinc coated steel and I'm hoping the galvanic whatever doesn't destroy that component any time soon.
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Academician Nomad posted:It's also a great bike otherwise though. Everything has trade-offs. I love the Gates Carbon drive belt, Enviolo hub, Class 3 option, and battery size. There's no perfect bike that also is cheap.
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Cargo E-Bike Report. In the last month of Blix Packa Genie ownership we've put on just shy of 200 miles mostly doing school runs, UPS store runs, and play dates. My wife has been exceptionally surprised with how much fun she has on it. She always harbored dreams of a golf cart but now realizes that the bike can go a lot more places and often just as quickly as a car. Playground runs mean she is often the center of attention with a pup riding up front, 3 kids on the back just breezing along with me struggling to keep up on my gravel bike. Guess that means it is time for (e)n+1, right?
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I've been evangelising (successfully on at least 3 occasions that I know of) cargo e-bikes pretty much ever since I electrified my antique bakfiets and realised just how immensely useful they are. Also fun, fast, easy to park etc etc. Easy to park right in the middle of the park, even, or right on the beach, or wherever. Any two wheeler is capable of moderate trail or even offroad riding too in a pinch. For parents of small kids it's wonderful in all sorts of ways and just a good time in general. We used to get loads of attention in the beginning but similar vehicles are becoming pretty common around these parts so it's not like it's novel anymore. The longest we've gone with the kids is about 20km one way, but anything under 5 has almost always been by cargobike unless the weather was awful. If you're contemplating getting one and fit the target demographic my advice is to go for it.Jonny Quest posted:Guess that means it is time for (e)n+1, right? When we go on bike rides as a family the adult not riding a bakfiets normally also rides an e-bike. Usually we bring the granny bike - it's just a simple cheap step-through with a front hub motor but it keeps up well enough and it feels wrong to hoon around in assisted comfort when your significant other is sweating and puffing up the hills. Sadly the kids are getting big and won't suffer the box much longer but I'm just about to go pick up my eldest from a friend and it's gonna be the box tonight unless she wants to walk home 
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Been searching for a while now with no joy. Are there any options for a car rack that can carry an ebike without getting a trailer hitch installed?
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Sphyre posted:Been searching for a while now with no joy. Are there any options for a car rack that can carry an ebike without getting a trailer hitch installed? Would be helpful to know what kind of vehicle we're talking about, but from what I can see most of those kind that go over your trunk / hatch have a limit of 35lbs? edit: Or do you mean a roof rack?
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Invalido posted:I've been evangelising (successfully on at least 3 occasions that I know of) cargo e-bikes pretty much ever since I electrified my antique bakfiets and realised just how immensely useful they are. I went back and forth on buying a cargo bike to supplement my regular e-bike, but just settled on getting a cargo trailer. It adds a ton of options to what you can do with a bike, much like a box bike would I suspect. Also it was only a couple hundred bucks vs a couple thousand.
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Charles posted:Would be helpful to know what kind of vehicle we're talking about, but from what I can see most of those kind that go over your trunk / hatch have a limit of 35lbs? It's a hatchback. My bike is roughly ~25kg, the Thule OutWay Hanging 2 bike rack has a total limit of 30kg... but a per bike limit of 15kg 
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Citizen Z posted:I went back and forth on buying a cargo bike to supplement my regular e-bike, but just settled on getting a cargo trailer. It adds a ton of options to what you can do with a bike, much like a box bike would I suspect. Don't get me wrong, I don't dislike trailers, used to have one and they bring utility for sure but IMO it's not nearly the same. The box bike used to be my main vehicle when the kids were younger and needed rides to and from places on the daily. I'd carry on commuting to work after dropping them off, doing shopping or other errands on the way home and pretty much anything else you can think of with 100kg of effortless cargo capacity always at the ready. It's seen improvised use as an ambulance once and as a taxi for adults in need many times. Countless kids have had joyrides in it just for the fun of it. I've moved pretty large pieces of furniture with it, and a washing machine. It's been a pit bike at the race track with great success. The always ready part it probably key to why I love that bike so much, as well as all the memories of both mundane stuff and weird situations. Although I don't use it daily anymore I can't imagine selling it even if I mainly use it as a grocery getter/parcel fetcher/garbage hauler/general local runabout these days. Also there's no way I'd ever get paid what it's worth to me since it's become a one-off freak of a (highly reliable) vehicle. The fenders and chain guard are the only parts both original and unmodified at this point.
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Sphyre posted:It's a hatchback. My bike is roughly ~25kg, the Thule OutWay Hanging 2 bike rack has a total limit of 30kg... but a per bike limit of 15kg Oof yeah the most I can find is about 16kg per bike :/
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I'll be the contrarian and say that I love having a regular ebike with trailers. They are easy to attach and detach and let me haul all sorts of ridiculous things and still move the bike around easily when needed. And they are so much cheaper, which is nice when all my money went to the Grin ebike kit...
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Trailers are good and usefull. I use heavy duty bike trailers in my day to day work. That said, I personally would not put a living creature in a trailer while riding on the same roads I normally do. I would let humans that I love ride on a longtail or in a frontloader.
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