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Yeah I surprise myself with how many meetings I can check out of and  instead
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I do an awful lot of typing a command and waiting an hour. It's great.
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Jan 26, 2022 16:27
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The cringe off this. Ireland's Call and a bunch of solid green flags instead of tricolours. https://twitter.com/RTELateLateShow/status/1487179545740521477
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Jan 29, 2022 16:28
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Theres a huge section of the irish middle class who really resent not having access to the british honour system and I really feel like they are the same people who would buy solid green flags and play the rugby song.
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Jan 29, 2022 16:33
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Irelands call is a traitor anthem
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Jan 29, 2022 17:13
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Rugby is for toffs
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Jan 29, 2022 17:35
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Southpaugh posted:Theres a huge section of the irish middle class who really resent not having access to the british honour system and I really feel like they are the same people who would buy solid green flags and play the rugby song. Automatic peerage if they can swim from Rosslare to Holyhead beginning on xmas day.... no wetsuits allowed.
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Jan 29, 2022 18:08
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Southpaugh posted:Theres a huge section of the irish middle class who really resent not having access to the british honour system and I really feel like they are the same people who would buy solid green flags and play the rugby song. I know it would have to be changed if we ever seriously looked at getting a United Ireland, but I always loved how our Constitution specifically says you can't get any honours from other nations. Because they just meant "you can't get honours from the King or Queen."
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Jan 29, 2022 20:27
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Hang on I thought FG weren't fascist that was just a minority group in the blueshirts, leaving behind their past when the FG party incorporated them. But here WT Cosgrave proposed a motion to recognize the Franco government as the legitimate government of Spain in 1936 when the civil war was still raging. https://twitter.com/CMacCaba/status/1487715170893942784
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Jan 31, 2022 13:07
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Marenghi posted:Hang on I thought FG weren't fascist that was just a minority group in the blueshirts, leaving behind their past when the FG party incorporated them. They absolutely where facists.
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Jan 31, 2022 13:41
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They like to claim it was a minority group that split off (with the founder  ) and formed the Greenshirts, and the Blueshirts were always good upstanding Irish nationalists (but not the bad kind of Irish nationalist, you see, or the other bad kind either) and absolutely refuse to talk about where the Greenshirts went after they got kicked out of Spain for being shite at war by fascist standards, IE: runny.
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Jan 31, 2022 14:01
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Marenghi posted:Hang on I thought FG weren't fascist that was just a minority group in the blueshirts, leaving behind their past when the FG party incorporated them. Tbh the vast majority of Irish civil society was vehemently pro-Franco and FF themselves, though they stuck to their guns on remaining political neutral in the civil war, was filled to the brim with Franco sympathizers with the party continually emphasising that although they wanted to remain neutral that absolutely did not mean they supported the republicans. FG at the time where in their Catholic Social Teaching flirtation phase and you had the church hierarchy openly calling the republicans the Anti-Christ and being knee deep in organizing the Irish Christian Front to agitate for Franco in the country - supporting the fascists in Spain was pretty much the mainstream
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Jan 31, 2022 14:39
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I've heard De Valera's Ireland described as a de facto Francoist regime. From what I understand the support of Franco was less for military intervention by the State and more general support, possibly through trade.
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Jan 31, 2022 15:01
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Yeah it was less about "we need to go help this lad out" but more a broad campaign of anti-communism with people holding meetings to talk about the crimes against the church by those dirty Spanish socialists with the desired end point being pushing the government to outright illegalize communism in Ireland.
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Jan 31, 2022 15:20
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kustomkarkommando posted:Yeah it was less about "we need to go help this lad out" but more a broad campaign of anti-communism with people holding meetings to talk about the crimes against the church by those dirty Spanish socialists with the desired end point being pushing the government to outright illegalize communism in Ireland. It kinda worked.
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Jan 31, 2022 15:30
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If you recognise the goal of cementing church power in the Irish state then it absolutely worked.
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Jan 31, 2022 15:41
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"Ireland our Cuba?" started off as a request by Fulgencio Batista.
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Jan 31, 2022 15:48
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It was also at the time when conservatives thought De Valera and FF where secret crypto communists because of their vaguely socialist rhetoric on land redistribution and labour so a lot of it was "why won't you denounce communism long fella hmm?"
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Jan 31, 2022 15:48
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Because the literal loving Nazis didn't say the same thing at the same time...
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Jan 31, 2022 16:01
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I have a great deal of respect for Dev. He inherited a malfunctioning basket case society and successfully kept everyone fed while also keeping the brits from bombing or generally murdering more of us. The social primacy given to the church is the unforgivable thing. He's someone to have a fair and balanced view on, his contemporaries were far more stupid than he was.
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Jan 31, 2022 16:17
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Yeah, as much as I like the conspiracy theories of Dev ratting people out and making sure certain folks got bumped off in the Civil War to prevent the rise of a socialist Ireland, it's difficult to fault his leadership of the country during WWII when we remember that preserving the country by keeping the people safe was his first duty. I'd still call him a dick to his face though.
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I like to think Michael Collins would have been a much better Taoiseach than Dev, but we'll never really know lmao
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Feb 1, 2022 12:37
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The concerns with Collins as Taoiseach would have been a more military focused leadership and possibly rule. Both were hardly ideal going into the later 1920s and 1930s. Obviously it is impossible to predict, but I don't think it was unlikely considering his attitudes in his last few months alive. With regards to Dev, I don't have too high an opinion of him. There are some benefits of his times as Taoiseach and he was more open to an idea of a larger state, most of his greater achievements can be attributed more to Lemass reigning in his odd view of an Ireland where we are basically all peasant farmers who walk down the streets singing Irish songs and Irish dancing when we need to pick up the pace a little. Combine that with his bigger issues - ensuring Ireland was ruled by the Church first and the Government second, heavy censorship, not giving up power until he had one foot in the grave - I don't feel his positives outweigh his negatives.
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Feb 1, 2022 13:28
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Those who rule in conflict can have a hard time doing the same in peace. You didn't end up like us in N.I. so i think you've worked out well enough. 
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Feb 1, 2022 13:38
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yeah except if we want anywhere to live 
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Feb 1, 2022 13:41
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There's plenty of places to live. The tainiste is renting out his old gaff for 1600pm. You're just being greedy to deny him income. Remember one person's rent is another person's income
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Feb 1, 2022 14:08
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Agreed. I had made the decision at 14 that I wouldn't live in Ireland as an adult. Moved to Toronto at 19 for two years and came back to get my degree. I recently left again for England (my partner is here) but even if I wanted to stay, I couldn't afford it. I was Dundalk area, meaning rents were ridiculous due to the commuter belt, though they are hardly better anywhere else. Place I stayed in as a student with a broken boiler, carbon monoxide buildup, and a leaky roof is now going for €1,200. My place in Toronto had a rent equivalent of €800. Didn't have to pay for any utilities except electric and internet. I'm currently just moved into a city centre apartment in Manchester and I'm paying less than what I could get in a place anywhere in my area. All my friends are now leaving Ireland, or at least the Republic, because of this. All of us had degrees and professional, if entry, jobs. It's really an awful situation for anyone who actually wants to remain in Ireland because they actually like the area or can't leave due to commitments there. Absolutely nothing is being done.
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The housing situation has genuinely radicalised me. I’m potentially gonna vote for Sinn Fein in 2025 for the first time ever because I detest FFFG so much.
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Feb 1, 2022 14:11
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I'm paying 2k for a lovely old small 2 bed ex-farm-worker's cottage in kildare over an hour from dublin lol, any closer was just literally impossibleQuantum of Phallus posted:The housing situation has genuinely radicalised me. I’m potentially gonna vote for Sinn Fein in 2025 for the first time ever because I detest FFFG so much. good
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Quantum of Phallus posted:The housing situation has genuinely radicalised me. I’m potentially gonna vote for Sinn Fein in 2025 for the first time ever because I detest FFFG so much. Yeah. Also SF are not particular radical, but it's a start
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I'll always put PBP or Solidarity ahead of Sinn Fein but they are solidly my #2 vote and I'll shift through any other good party accordingly. Will never vote Green again unless they make a radical change in... Everything. I gave them a vote last GE and while it didn't matter because their candidate didn't get in, I feel disgusted that I came close to supporting this current government. Eamon Ryan has so much to harm the green cause in Ireland I wouldn't be surprised to find out he has shares in fracking or something.
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Skull Servant posted:I'll always put PBP or Solidarity ahead of Sinn Fein but they are solidly my #2 vote and I'll shift through any other good party accordingly. 100% the same except I didn’t vote Green last time for the reasons you mention now. Fool me once…
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In my defence, I was not old enough to vote last time they were in power and I had assumed they had learned from their mistakes. In hindsight, if they had actually learned they would have gotten rid of Ryan years ago. Not making the mistake again!
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My GF voted Green last time even after I told her exactly what was gonna happen with them and now she has massive regrets and says she’ll never vote for them again. lol
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sorry to keep comparing things to english politics but since that's all I know, everybody said that about the lib dems a decade ago for identical reasons and yet people mostly forget and between starmer and boris they're experiencing a resurgence as we speak. sure LAST time, and every other time, they were awful, but maybe MAYBE this time they won't be (lol) for reference I didn't vote in '10 or '15, voted for corb twice in '17 and '19, then moved here
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Quantum of Phallus posted:My GF voted Green last time even after I told her exactly what was gonna happen with them and now she has massive regrets and says she’ll never vote for them again. lol 
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I moved to Germany exactly for the things Ireland falls so far short on for people starting out. I pay no university tuition for my master's, €500pm for a decent room in a flatshare and I get free healthcare provided by the irish government through the EHIC (even though I wouldn't qualify for a medical card if I was back home). It's amazing how long we've dealt this grift of government ministers turning out their pockets despite standing on mountains and mountains of cash when people who don't already have massive assets ask for even a slight bit of help.
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I'm paying less for a flat in central London than I would for similar in Dublin. I can walk to pretty much anything of interest, and if I can't then the bus and tube are cheaper than Dublin's equivalent. If I could move all my friends over here I'd probably never go home again.
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I’m paying €1000 for a room in an apartment in Dublin now, the other guy is paying the same. My room is loving tiny. The apartment is nice and pretty central. But like… €12,000 a year… for a room
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