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Bobby Deluxe posted:Joe Lycett starting off making a good point about why the parties are cutting through, and then unfortunately melting into a big pile of poo poo. The one thing we absolutely desperately need to do as a culture is to stop centrist liberals describing themselves as 'lefty' when they are in fact nothing of the sort, they just don't think gay people should be put in jail
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OwlFancier posted:
Agreed, and I am comfortable driving on narrow Cornish roads.
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NotJustANumber99 posted:
I visited Cambridge a while ago and they had this exact set-up. So badly signposted and completely unexpected that I missed it and just drove through the buses only bit (luckily it wasn't enforced in any way). I'm sure there's a right way for this kind of setup to be installed, but every time I hear about one it's always installed in a really stupid way.
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fuctifino posted:https://twitter.com/Haggis_UK/status/1488775856675766273 So only upsides?
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Goddamnit, fell into the trap of spending ages digging up evidence for something to show a rightwing person that they've been misinformed, when they don't actually give a toss. 
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Bug Squash posted:I visited Cambridge a while ago and they had this exact set-up. So badly signposted and completely unexpected that I missed it and just drove through the buses only bit (luckily it wasn't enforced in any way). What they did not do was install any signs indicating who has right of way. So now the chicanes actually incentivise driving faster because 1) the road’s an even more exciting racetrack, and 2) right of way goes to whoever gets to the chicane first 
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My road has speed bumps, a narrowed section after which it's one way so people can't use that route to get out to the main road anyway, and there's cars crammed on both sides of the road, and still people blast down it at speed anyway. It's incredible how impatient people are, outside of traffic conditions it really doesn't make much of a difference to when you get there.
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7-foot width restrictions are literally everywhere, the particular problem with this one is there's not enough space for the high, sloped kerbs they'd normally use, e.g. at this even narrower restriction at Rotherhithe Tunnel: so they've just chucked bollards at the edge, meaning there's absolutely no margin for error and people who have until now been unknowingly driving over the kerb at other restrictions are hitting the bollards instead. That restriction at the Rotherhithe is pretty funny because when I was a kid LGVs and even (single-decker, obviously) buses were allowed to use the tunnel, but because cars keep getting fatter and harder to see out of the amount of crashes (and near-misses for the extremely foolhardy few pedestrians and cyclists that use it) skyrocketed over the last couple of decades. Now they're also going to have to put in a harsh height restriction too because box vans, which overhang significantly and so can still get through the gap, are causing crashes.
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My name is Joe lycett and I find it stable and reassuring when one hundred and twenty thousand disabled people are put to death
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StarkingBarfish posted:'Saville row: Sir Keith mishandled suits' I thought this was quite good.
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Behold, the final boss battle of Britain: landlord vs fleg https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2022/feb/02/mod-given-ultimatum-to-drop-legal-action-against-firm-run-by-billionaire quote:MoD given ultimatum to drop legal action against firm run by billionaire quote:The value of the properties has since surged to an estimated £7.6bn last year, leaving its private equity owners with an enormous paper profit. Yet the MoD is still paying about £180m a year in rent plus £140m in repairs and upgrades, despite taking back ownership of part of the portfolio. Annington insists it has offered to take on the maintenance, although it has not shared the financial terms of any offer.
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Jaeluni Asjil posted:Goddamnit, fell into the trap of spending ages digging up evidence for something to show a rightwing person that they've been misinformed, when they don't actually give a toss. Arguing with idiots often results in this outcome. 
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NotJustANumber99 posted:
Anyone that can't drive through that shouldn't be on the road. The accidents have happened because they aren't paying proper attention and/or going too fast.
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Convex posted:Behold, the final boss battle of Britain: landlord vs fleg A labour peer accusing the tory government of being anti business. Lol and I guess technically they're sort of both landlords. Just Another Lurker posted:Arguing with idiots often results in this outcome. whatever
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hang on how wide are Teslas
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Convex posted:Behold, the final boss battle of Britain: landlord vs fleg I want everyone involved in this to be melted down for slag
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by the way, heres the same bit of road 11years earlier... it hasn't changed. so why this is news now is I guess cos that person on the corner got a smart doorbell.
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Julio Cruz posted:hang on how wide are Teslas If the bollards disembowel a Tesla they (and the curb underneath) won't be a problem anymore.
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I mean i'm not a driver, but is the problem not that the cars aren't slowing down enough?
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Bobby Deluxe posted:I mean i'm not a driver, but is the problem not that the cars aren't slowing down enough? objects remain the same size no matter their speed. except like i dunno concorde or whatever, so no it can't possibly be that if anything they should be going faster to minimise their time in the narrow bit thus reducing the chance of collision.
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This all reminds me of one of my favourite youtube channels, about a bridge in Durham North Carolina https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b5kpgaFT2bw
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https://twitter.com/lionelbarber/status/1488890313448083458
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Those drivers should just go slower. No need to be any faster than 15mph in a built up residential area.
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Bobby Deluxe posted:I mean i'm not a driver, but is the problem not that the cars aren't slowing down enough? No, the problem is they're slowing down much too quickly because they've just hit a bollard.
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Bobby Deluxe posted:I mean i'm not a driver, but is the problem not that the cars aren't slowing down enough? Speed isn’t the root cause but it makes it exponentially worse as you have less time to make corrections and any potential impact damage is increased. Lack of spatial awareness and a lack of understanding about one’s own vehicle size are the root cause. It’s also likely that the drivers involved are looking at the restriction rather than through it, so target fixation means they hit it instead.
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NotJustANumber99 posted:if anything they should be going faster to minimise their time in the narrow bit thus reducing the chance of collision.
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Bobby Deluxe posted:I mean i'm not a driver, but is the problem not that the cars aren't slowing down enough? In theory yes, the space is wide enough for a car and should be navigable slowly, but in practice there are a bunch of factors that make it harder to do that. If you're going along at a normal speed and aren't expecting this random obstacle course that someone put in out of seemingly spite alone, then you might panic and if there's someone behind you you might be reluctant to slam the brakes on, traffic tends to proceed at a sort of average pace dictated by everyone on the road anyway, so a lot of road design should be done with the intent of generating the desired speed via the nature of the road itself. Stuff like poor sightlines, pedestrian traffic etc, can help with this because if drivers feel generally unsafe they tend to slow down. The trick is creating the illusion of unsafety without actually making it unsafe, and if people keep hitting the bollards then it demonstrably is unsafe. People will slow right down for a blind corner but they won't just for a stop sign if they think they can see where they're going. As I said you could probably achieve the same effect just with the kerb, because you will know if you hit the kerb, especially if it's a higher than average one, and once you do something like that once it sticks in your mind and you don't do it again. You don't have to total the car to achieve the desired effect and having crashed cars in the road isn't going to help with the usability of the road any. Also like I said, normally my response to that sort of gap is just not to drive through it, which is entirely sensible driving, you don't get extra points for squeezing your car through the most awkward spaces, so if there's someone parked on the side of the road and a car oncoming I just stop and let the other car past first rather than trying to squeeze both of us through, or if I know there is a narrow single track lane I am generally driving with one foot on the brake and expecting to have to avoid oncoming traffic, or I just avoid narrow roads altogether if there are wider, easier roads available, but if you've come up to that obstacle you literally don't have a choice, there's no legal way to avoid it once you're at it and there's nothing to indicate it's going to be there, the rest of the road isn't like that, and unless the intent is to have everyone slow to a couple of miles an hour to get through it (it is presumably a busy through road if they are trying to stop HGV traffic) then there are plenty of in-practice incentives that push people to try and do it quickly. Driving is poo poo and you are under constant pressure from other road users to do everything as fast as perfectly as possible, and when this inevitably leads to some people loving it up they just go "well technically this is your fault" which to me seems to ignore the actual reality which is that driving constantly pits a bunch of the rules against the general reality of driving, you should, ideally, stick to the rules at all times but people just... don't? Not all of them and not all the time, people aren't perfect robots (and the robots aren't much better at it either) and there are a bunch of perverse incentives to either drive too fast or to try difficult maneuvers because of pressure from other road users, so the real argument is that nobody should drive because driving is bad, but if you are going to have people driving it is necessary to engineer solutions to problems that work rather than ones that demonstrably do not such as putting surprise inescapable car demolishing obstacles in the road. OwlFancier fucked around with this message at 16:58 on Feb 2, 2022 |
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if only there was a way for the car to drive itself through it
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NotJustANumber99 posted:if only there was a way for the car to drive itself through it Would it have to be on fire at the same time?
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Lord Ludikrous posted:Speed isn’t the root cause but it makes it exponentially worse as you have less time to make corrections and any potential impact damage is increased. My driving instructor told me to just ignore the passenger side and focus on getting the driver side mirror as close to the obstacle as possible without touching it. As long as your vehicle isn't actually too wide for the restriction, the passenger side takes care of itself. I still instinctively take a couple glances to the other side but it's worked well for me so far.
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kingturnip posted:Would it have to be on fire at the same time? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Iaedikt9MNA
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OwlFancier posted:Driving is poo poo and you are under constant pressure from other road users to do everything as fast as perfectly as possible, and when this inevitably leads to some people loving it up they just go "well technically this is your fault" which to me seems to ignore the actual reality which is that driving constantly pits a bunch of the rules against the general reality of driving, you should, ideally, stick to the rules at all times but people just... don't?
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NotJustANumber99 posted:if only there was a way for the car to drive itself through it Designing a self driving car that can navigate these things with maximum efficiency is like designing a car that can jump over speedbumps to avoid slowing sown.
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Maugrim posted:My driving instructor told me to just ignore the passenger side and focus on getting the driver side mirror as close to the obstacle as possible without touching it. As long as your vehicle isn't actually too wide for the restriction, the passenger side takes care of itself. Works fine for fixed width restrictions but jesus take the passenger side is less advisible for anything with dynamic obstacles such as other cars, street furniture, or people. Mr Phillby posted:Isn't the point of these things to force drivers to slow down? If only there were a form of car desgined to perfectly navigate entirely restricted routes via mechanical feedback, you could string dozens of them together and make them really big and heavy.
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That specific bollard setup has shown up on World Bollard Association's twitter a few times by now. Bollards are great, if the signage there isn't up to snuff put in some rumble strips or something. If they get taken down I hope lorries keep them up all night ripping up their roads with all the extra weight Conflict of interest report - I like to take long walks and live in a US city so my relationship to motor vehicles is basically that it's warfare and bollards are one of the few comrades I have Mr Phillby posted:Isn't the point of these things to force drivers to slow down? Tesla is literally programming their self-driving systems to break laws in exactly this way lol.
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As I said I think you could achieve a better result with just a kerb, put some bigger, brighter painted bollards a bit further from the road (why are they painted the same colour as the road anyway???) and let people who do it too fast bang their head on the roof and lose their alloys. I don't know that totalling cars is very good for the people who live there or the drivers.
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Epic High Five posted:That specific bollard setup has shown up on World Bollard Association's Do they have a newsletter?
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Epic High Five posted:Tesla is literally programming their self-driving systems to break laws in exactly this way lol. lmao
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