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learnincurve posted:Need something added to every OP. DWP have been told not to tell sanctioned people about this. 
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ThomasPaine posted:Be wary sure, but it's very possible and I doubt any professional today would 'advise against it' as long as the person concerned knew what they were doing. No way, I reckon she’s such a control freak that she’d never delegate that to someone else.
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loving closing the thread as I type a reply, I'm calling the police and having Guavanaut put in Megajail.NotJustANumber99 posted:I knew you'd argue about this. I mean the wiki on social media reckons you can say we had it in the 1960's. But no, thats an applied version of history with the context of hindsight. If you can come up with a definition of "social media" which includes all current social media but excludes BBSes, Usenet and web forums I'm all ears. It wasn't something that was invented in 2001 and then MySpace etc then filled this new frontier, the term was coined to describe these new companies who were simply doing what had been going on for decades but with lower barriers to entry (and conscious decision not to actually bother enforcing the norms of the older methods but that's a different and even more bitter argument). Certainly from a *legal* perspective the only difference between the first bulletin board systems and Twitter et. al. is scale. Both allow one person to send a communication which goes to multiple people, many (or most) of whom the sender does not know at all, over a system not owned by either party. And as I pointed out, there was already a long-running (and extremely influential) court case and surrounding debate over where such proto-social media fit into the law; it's utterly ridiculous to say that the drafters of the law just weren't aware of the distinction that had already been drawn between one-to-one and one-to-many communications on the internet. They knew *exactly* what they were doing by locking all electronic communication to this much stricter standard than to the looser (relatively speaking - it's still a very high bar) standards that the courts had established in Godfrey v Demon. (In fact part of me really wouldn't be surprised if you told me there'd been intense lobbying from ISPs to apply such a strong standard directly to users as a way of heading off them having to shoulder any more responsibility for the actions of their users, but that's purely my own  view rather than anything I have actual evidence for)
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Last month's thread title was an all-timer, I'm sad to see it go.
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goddamnedtwisto posted:If you can come up with a definition of "social media" which includes all current social media but excludes BBSes, Usenet and web forums I'm all ears. Yes mate, social media is when its piss easy and everyone and their grandma is doing it not just some nerds. Thats what the car analogy was supposed to be about.
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I'm willing to die on the hill of social media being a product of Web 2.0. Forums, bbs, icq/irc etc. are all the old (good) Internet and do not count. Friendster was the first I consider as 'social media' as we know it. While Friends Reuinited / Classmates etc were definitely more like a standard forum. keep punching joe fucked around with this message at 11:45 on Feb 1, 2022 |
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keep punching joe posted:I'm willing to die on the hill of social media being a product of Web 2.0. Forums, bbs, icq/irc etc. are all the old (good) Internet and do not count. Six Degrees was considered to be the first social media site, and that launched in 1997.
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If you want a casual rather than technological definition for the purposes of mass rather than niche communications, then any site where "are you on [x]?" is a reasonable yes/no question at a party would work. Which of course depends on which country and social scene (and what sort of party).
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fuctifino posted:Six Degrees was considered to be the first social media site, and that launched in 1997. Yeah but like who used that. I'm sticking with Friendster as the social media genesis as I'm a decrepit hipster and remember the summer when every Glasgow scene kid used it.
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NotJustANumber99 posted:Yes mate, social media is when its piss easy and everyone and their grandma is doing it not just some nerds. Thats what the car analogy was supposed to be about.  Guavanaut posted:If you want a casual rather than technological definition for the purposes of mass rather than niche communications, then any site where "are you on [x]?" is a reasonable yes/no question at a party would work. Borrovan fucked around with this message at 11:58 on Feb 1, 2022 |
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Feb 1, 2022 11:55
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Cocaine, therefore, is social media.
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I can't argue with that one.
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Was trying to find out exactly what the Starmer / Saville thing was since I missed it and:quote:Sir Keir Starmer has accused Boris Johnson of peddling a “ridiculous slur by right-wing trolls”, after the prime minister repeated false allegations about the Labour leader’s involvement in the prosecution of Jimmy Savile. Seems like quite strong language from The Times, they’ve started rolling out the same language they used to sort-of-not-quite call Trump a liar
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Just going to lol at this from the last threadNotJustANumber99 posted:To be fair there wasn't any social media when it was written. Mate, Usenet was social media. It would not surprise me if it came into existence before you did. 'Like theres a difference, and I would expect different laws to exist governing their usage, between the first few automobiles trundling round at 3 mph and our current road network even though you would be right to say we had cars all throughout this time period.' - what's the difference, exactly, between Usenet and Twitter? Lay it out for us.
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feedmegin posted:Just going to lol at this from the last thread Maybe you should read this thread first
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NotJustANumber99 posted:Maybe you should read this thread first Lol if you think posting on usenet was hard? if 18 year old college students and your nan with an AOL cd could do it, anyone could. That's kind of where the whole 'eternal September' meme came from in the first place.
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^^^ Could anyone, for instance, do it on their bus ride back then? You're being weirdly superior about it all, so fine whatever you say is social media is social media. feedmegin posted:- what's the difference, exactly, between Usenet and Twitter? Lay it out for us. Regarding your edit, I refer you to my previous suggestion. NotJustANumber99 fucked around with this message at 12:40 on Feb 1, 2022 |
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TACD posted:Was trying to find out exactly what the Starmer / Saville thing was since I missed it and: i knew the timelines crossed but the whole establishment was turning a blind eye and not just him right? or it wasn’t even on his radar at least?
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NotJustANumber99 posted:Regarding your edit, I refer you to my previous suggestion. Just out of curiosity, how old are you? Were you around and an adult for when Usenet was a thing, as in like mid-late 90s? If not, I suggest you clam down and listen to your elders who were, in fact, around for this poo poo.
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feedmegin posted:Just out of curiosity, how old are you? Were you around and an adult for when Usenet was a thing, as in like mid-late 90s? This is a really cringey post.
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Jel Shaker posted:i knew the timelines crossed but the whole establishment was turning a blind eye and not just him right? or it wasn’t even on his radar at least? The entire establishment was absolutely turning a blind eye, yes
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TACD posted:Was trying to find out exactly what the Starmer / Saville thing was since I missed it and: As they say about parliamentary privilege there, it's because it's such an offensively loaded claim that it would be an easy libel case. Posted at the end of the last thread was Raab showing how dangerous it is to repeat without parliamentary privilege https://twitter.com/RupertMyers/status/1488428780683243526 So yes, the Times will spare no expense to make it clear that it's baseless because they could be sued for implying it.
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gently caress me will these people ever stop giving him exactly to the letter the media coverage he wants? Saville is the ultimate dead cat.
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Starmer's whole thing as DPP was protecting every horrible turd out there and trying to lock up as many protesters etc as he could get his hands on, so really the only question is whether he knew specifically about saville because I cannot for one minute imagine he would actually prosecute the guy if he did.
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feedmegin posted:Lol if you think posting on usenet was hard? if 18 year old college students and your nan with an AOL cd could do it, anyone could. That's kind of where the whole 'eternal September' meme came from in the first place. Your nan could post on usenet in '95 in the same way that she could go into a Cellnet shop and pick up a mobile phone contract, but how many did?
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Guavanaut posted:The big difference is that less than 9% of British homes had access to the internet before 1998, compared to well over 90% after 2018, and it was even more demographically biased. Can't just look at homes, though - there's a reason I mentioned universities. Just saying, usenet was widespread enough in society in the 90s that it's perfectly reasonable to talk about it as 'social media', not something only the sweatiest of comp sci students knew about.
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It's a difference in definition of what 'social media' is. Is it the nature of the thing, what it's meant for? Or is it partly a function of how many people use it and how ubiquitous it is? Stop rowing over something that just depends on how you personally define a term, loving hell.
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https://twitter.com/MinnieStephC4/status/1488473974245892097?t=QLr5pgvjgAHnQtA1lpt_Cw&s=19 Absolutely disgusting and completely unsurprising. Content note for racism, misogyny, homophobia, domestic violence in the report. How the gently caress do you reform that? EvilMoJoJoJo fucked around with this message at 13:37 on Feb 1, 2022 |
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Seeing as Keith has got away with a lot of poo poo when he was head of the CPS, I actually don't mind him being accused of something he didn't do. gently caress him. In other news: https://twitter.com/DPJHodges/status/1488441074804830212  Just like Jeromy Crombyn
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Party like it's Jemrey Grobrin anti-semite disco again
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feedmegin posted:Lol if you think posting on usenet was hard? if 18 year old college students and your nan with an AOL cd could do it, anyone could. That's kind of where the whole 'eternal September' meme came from in the first place. Also 18 year old college students is a really, really bad example when talking about technology 'anyone' can access. I was around back then, I messed around on altavista and geocities at college every free moment I had, and I had no idea it even existed. I didn't use it at home because we couldn't afford a PC, and didn't get a modem until about 2000. Just take the W and accept that you know things other people don't. 2) I know I'm probably going to get owned by a weird specific exception, but I'd say the difference between social media and forums / pre web 2.0 is that the experience of a social media site is defined by your particular connection to other users. Where the appearance and content on forums and usenet is the same for everyone (even if you only go to / bookmark certain parts of it), social media's content is dictated by the people and products you follow. If we both went to a usenet link we'd see the same thing. If we both went on twitter, we wouldn't. That's the difference.
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EvilMoJoJoJo posted:https://twitter.com/MinnieStephC4/status/1488473974245892097?t=QLr5pgvjgAHnQtA1lpt_Cw&s=19 I can't believe boris would do this to the previously respectable institution.
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EvilMoJoJoJo posted:https://twitter.com/MinnieStephC4/status/1488473974245892097?t=QLr5pgvjgAHnQtA1lpt_Cw&s=19 guys I've done an investigation and I've uncovered that despite what many leading websites will tell you, there is actually a distinct lack of hot singles in your area who want to meet tonight 
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TACD posted:lmao "uncovered" how is the 'Water; wet?' experiment going?
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https://twitter.com/hzeffman/status/1488491848108814341?t=QamHpK5ymA-5op3QxGeRNw&s=19 I'm starting to suspect that Parliamentary procedure is a load of bollocks.
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NotJustANumber99 posted:^^^ Could anyone, for instance, do it on their bus ride back then? It's pretty obvious that you can do it from your Tesla, because reading your posting ITT is like watching a car crash.
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stev posted:https://twitter.com/hzeffman/status/1488491848108814341?t=QamHpK5ymA-5op3QxGeRNw&s=19 Great that he gave this rebuke 24 hours after it was said. Is Johnson even in the UK now, let alone the Commons? I read he was going to Kyiv to show how strong of an international leader he is or something.
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Also the word “joked” is being stretched to breaking point there. If you joke about rape but then also do rape is that not just called “planning”
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