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Saint Freak posted:*looks at my FF9 PlayOnline Guide with NEVER AGAIN carved into it* *shudders* *stares off blankly into the distance, flashes of the terrible layout of PlayOnline site pops into my minds eye*
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Feb 2, 2022 19:30
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tUGTvh-WGvw
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Feb 3, 2022 15:32
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I wanna say some of the dark soul guides were more behind the scenes books along with the guide information. There was in publisher who made some great ones but I don't remember who that was, I think they went out of business.
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Feb 3, 2022 15:58
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Really digging the new variety in ancient sites, I'm excited to explore them. Also interested to see any new variations on Cauldrons as well. I wonder what those pink tendrils were. Coral?
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Feb 3, 2022 16:27
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To me that looks like the red blight, indicating that whatever it is infects both organic and machine life.
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Feb 3, 2022 16:31
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This datapoint from HZD about The Forbidden West is fun:quote:Reader, if you would know of the Forbidden West, there are none more qualified to be your teller than I, the Considerate Udain, healer of Blazon Arch. Why? For I yet live, unlike the outlanders who gasped or shrieked the tales that follow. Foolhardy blazons and madcaps all, they were brought to me near death, poisoned, mortally-wounded, or driven witless by what they had experienced in the lands beyond the Daunt. With such wounds, it was all I could do to ease their pain and try to make notes from their ranting.
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Feb 4, 2022 04:57
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Dang we're getting closer to the release date than I thought, I've basically tried to ignore everything about the game so the wait is easier. Now I'm in super hype mode, I loved the first enough enough to play it a few times and I can't wait for more  el oso posted:This datapoint from HZD about The Forbidden West is fun: That's awesome, I don't remember seeing it before.
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Feb 4, 2022 18:56
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I always thought it was a cool bit of worldbuilding how all the tribes call it the Forbidden West, but not because it's like, actually forbidden to go there or anything. It's just a name given by the dominant regional power after a failed colonial expedition that was eventually sort of adopted by everyone. It's kinda how like Wales literally meant "land of outsiders" to the Anglo-Saxons but it stuck around for centuries and now even native Welsh people call themselves a word that means "foreign." When you're the most organized and militant society in an area like the Carja, it's probably easy to imagine that you're at the center of everything.
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Feb 5, 2022 13:10
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Ace Transmuter posted:I mean... Thebes is still out there, somewhere. So presumably we'll find it at some point (see also: Elysium); but how much Ted Faro plays a role from there remains to be seen. Ted Faro: Remains to be seen.
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Feb 5, 2022 23:02
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Just incase anyone wants to brush up on the first game's plot now that we're nearing release I found this really comprehensive series of videos, part one here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VPgD3zl7ChE I know it was bullet pointed at the start of this thread but sometimes it's nice to sit back and watch pretty pictures while someone talks you through it all.
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Feb 6, 2022 07:57
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What was disappointing about the first game is there is a colossal mountain sized robot sitting foreboding in the background for that whole game. I really hoped it would be reactivated. Instead all that happens is it releases a few giant mechs for a boss fight. Give me a super colossal robot final boss fight this time please.
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Feb 6, 2022 12:52
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A final boss fight against a Metal Devil would be epic now that Aloy actually has the pullcaster to get around. I think that's been like one of the #1 most wishlisted things so I'd be delighted to finally see it happen.
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Feb 6, 2022 13:13
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I don't think there's a way for that fight to be believable in the world they've set up. A Horus can make more of itself and every other killbot while eating biomass. It took a squadron of troops with futuristic weapons a whole lot of effort and luck to take one down during Enduring Victory.
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Feb 6, 2022 16:29
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zakharov posted:I don't think there's a way for that fight to be believable in the world they've set up. A Horus can make more of itself and every other killbot while eating biomass. It took a squadron of troops with futuristic weapons a whole lot of effort and luck to take one down during Enduring Victory. Sure there is, have the Horus be half-buried in a mountain with only a couple of tentacles free, and make it so the fight is to stop it from digging itself out. Aloy will need to hookshot up to take out a power source / AI core / other macguffin to save the day. e: And have it be located in the deep desert / high mountain, so the only available biomass is the human enemies (or your allies to make it grimdark, though having the bad guys be slurped up is also horrifying). Don't Ask fucked around with this message at 16:48 on Feb 6, 2022 |
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Feb 6, 2022 16:45
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"Too soon, Sylens! You have awakened me too soon!"
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Feb 6, 2022 16:50
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I mean fun as it sounds they would have to make so many excuses for a Horus booting up not immediately be the start of another extinction event that I can't imagine it would be very fun. On the flip side, what if Aloy is the one that boots up the Horus and pilots it 
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Feb 6, 2022 17:33
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For my part, I like that the Horus units we see in H:ZD are these desiccated fossils of scorpion kaiju that somehow still seem menacing despite being inert. Like, they're big enough to show up on the overworld map. That's scary enough
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Feb 6, 2022 17:36
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I think I have to say I disagree, something like that would be too gimmicky and would push the series into Marvel-grade science fiction. The first game managed the incredible feat of making a believable premise out of a tribal world that had mechanical dinosaurs and giraffes roaming around, but it's a really fine line to walk and having huge mountain-sized doc-oc things rearing about would probably push it to the wrong side of ridiculous spectacle. I think the Horuses work best as a foreboding, ever-visible reminder on the horizon (geddit?) of the force that the excesses of the previous civilisation created to destroy itself. Imagining the terror of what facing up to that thing in all its titanic fully-operational horror must have been like will always be more effective than actually seeing it, and then video-gaming your way around it to get to its weak-points and bringing it down in three scripted stages.
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Feb 6, 2022 17:43
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Cactus posted:I think I have to say I disagree, something like that would be too gimmicky and would push the series into Marvel-grade science fiction. The first game managed the incredible feat of making a believable premise out of a tribal world that had mechanical dinosaurs and giraffes roaming around, but it's a really fine line to walk and having huge mountain-sized doc-oc things rearing about would probably push it to the wrong side of ridiculous spectacle. I think the Horuses work best as a foreboding, ever-visible reminder on the horizon (geddit?) of the force that the excesses of the previous civilisation created to destroy itself. Imagining the terror of what facing up to that thing in all its titanic fully-operational horror must have been like will always be more effective than actually seeing it, and then video-gaming your way around it to get to its weak-points and bringing it down in three scripted stages. I think that's pretty much right. I don't think it'd be impossible for them to pull off a fight sequence that worked within the setting, but I think the odds are stacked high enough against it that making it largely a piece of environmental storytelling was definitely the right choice.
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Feb 6, 2022 17:59
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I think we're going to see a Horus move by the end of the game but we're not going to be plinking at it with a bow until it falls down, something else will happen to shut it down again
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Feb 6, 2022 18:01
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haveblue posted:I think we're going to see a Horus move by the end of the game but we're not going to be plinking at it with a bow until it falls down, something else will happen to shut it down again You're probably right, but I'm really hoping the story goes in a completely new direction none of us are expecting. Horuses were part of the Faro Plague, which was one of the main focuses of the first game; it was revealed and explained to the player, the threat of someone re-awakening it was presented, and then it was dealt with. Having it be the threat again for this game might start to feel repetitive. Leave the swarm in the ground to fossilize, I reckon.
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Feb 6, 2022 18:20
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haveblue posted:I think we're going to see a Horus move by the end of the game but we're not going to be plinking at it with a bow until it falls down, something else will happen to shut it down again It will be revealed that Horus was a Warhammer 40K (or 30K) crossover all the time, and at the 50% mark you start fighting Chaos Space Marines.
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Feb 6, 2022 18:22
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I kinda get what you're saying about sci-fi spectacle though, the first game gave me that sort of feeling at the end when there was giant energy waves filling the sky and an AI personified as a flying ball of light and Aloy making multiple visits to cyberspace. Some of that can be explained as Focus tricks but it did eat away at the realism a little
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Feb 6, 2022 18:26
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While I wouldn't want the relatively grounded sci-fi of Horizon to become MGRR levels of stupid, I do think there's some value at the end of a long journey to pull back the curtain a little bit and end the game with some truly Epic poo poo. Everyone remembers and criticizes those underwhelming final boss sequences but I can't really recall any games where I thought "oh, this is simply too much."
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haveblue posted:I kinda get what you're saying about sci-fi spectacle though, the first game gave me that sort of feeling at the end when there was giant energy waves filling the sky and an AI personified as a flying ball of light and Aloy making multiple visits to cyberspace. Some of that can be explained as Focus tricks but it did eat away at the realism a little Yeah I definitely felt that. The way the machines started eating the biomass with that swirly red energy that flowed into them was at odds with the really graphic descriptions we'd been getting drip-fed in some of the lore recordings we'd found throughout the game. I'm not saying I wanted to see people getting ground up into a bony red paste and unceromoniously slurped up (although that would have been a horribly disturbing thing to see that would have given the threat a truly cold, unliving, not-even-evil, just mechanically uncaring type of feel) but we could have seen them grind up trees and then extrapolate what that would look like if they were allowed to get to humans. And then the way Hades sort of became this red genie-thing that flew into Sylens' little glass container, that was a bit cheesy as well.
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Feb 6, 2022 18:41
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So I read somewhere that I can just buy the PS4 version for 60 and they will auto upgrade to the ps5 version? If I buy the ps5 version it's 70 I think?
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Feb 6, 2022 19:11
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Wiltsghost posted:So I read somewhere that I can just buy the PS4 version for 60 and they will auto upgrade to the ps5 version? If I buy the ps5 version it's 70 I think? Yes they got bullied into keeping FW as a PS5 launch title so it's entitled to a free upgrade. There's zero reason to get the PS5 version (unless i guess this doesn't apply to digital? Im not sure I gotta look up the exact conditions). It's the last Sony game to get this.
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Feb 6, 2022 19:25
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Cactus posted:And then the way Hades sort of became this red genie-thing that flew into Sylens' little glass container, that was a bit cheesy as well. It was ridiculous, my eyes rolled all the way around my skull, but I guess they decided it was better than showing Sylens use his focus to get a Wi-fi connection to select "HadesV.4.994" from a list and wait for it to download.
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Mr. Funny Pants posted:It was ridiculous, my eyes rolled all the way around my skull, but I guess they decided it was better than showing Sylens use his focus to get a Wi-fi connection to select "HadesV.4.994" from a list and wait for it to download. I wonder how much of it was actual floaty magic color bullshit and how much was just a focus interpretation of the signal. It's a hard thing to actually show.
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Mr. Funny Pants posted:It was ridiculous, my eyes rolled all the way around my skull, but I guess they decided it was better than showing Sylens use his focus to get a Wi-fi connection to select "HadesV.4.994" from a list and wait for it to download. That's the baffling thing for a story that was otherwise pretty grounded in near-to-mid future tech, I think something exactly like what you just described would've been infinitely better than what we saw. Sylens must have had to somehow learn some kind of coding language to accomplish all the stuff he managed to do by reverse-engineering the focuses and how they were networked together. One way that it could be explained, for example, would be by him having found a focus in a ruin somewhere that had locally saved copies of beginner/intermediate/expert tutorial modules on it and him spending years going through them - a good opportunity for this to be expositioned would have been when we were in his little study room where we got the spear from him. Or, after he rescues Aloy from the arena and gives her a new focus he could have said something like "I took the precaution of backing up the information on your focus, here" and we see a little purple graphic of "Transfering file: focus_BackupProfile_Aloy1" or something, just to set up that this is how it works and then that final scene with "HadesV.4.994" would make more sense.
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The old world tech we see is about as realistic as Star Wars or Star Trek  . Its probably best to hum the MST3K theme song and not think about it too hard. Look at the focus: Aloy's first focus was sitting on a corpse in a damp cave for almost a thousand years yet is still fully functional and has enough charge to still be functioning ten years later.exquisite tea posted:It was I mean this is how the Faro bots work right? The black death cloud they send out to "eat" is supposed to be a nano machine swarm of some sort. And then they have some sort of on board Star Trek replicator tech to repair and rearm. Horus' use the same replicator tech to magic out other bots. You even see it in the cauldrons where machines are being 3D printed with light beams.
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MH Knights posted:The old world tech we see is about as realistic as Star Wars or Star Trek I mean loving hell yeah of course there's a bunch of suspension of disbelief required for any science fiction to work. It's science fiction, after all. But to go from cloning, 3D printing, long-lasting nano-materials and storage solutions, to magic red tendrils that connect everything and convert biomatter into robots and then the main AI becomes a magic red ball of light that can be contained in a glass lantern is just a little tonally jarring, is all I'm saying. It's all science fiction, it just seems like it's coming from two tonally distinct types of science fiction that don't gel well together.
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Happy Noodle Boy posted:I wonder how much of it was actual floaty magic color bullshit and how much was just a focus interpretation of the signal. It's a hard thing to actually show. That would be a good explanation, particularly with all the Gaia stuff, which was like if Bill Gates' Clippy dreams had all come true far into the future ("Hi, it looks like you want to terraform a robotically sterilized planet..."). However, Sylens' nifty lantern storage device physically rocks from the impact when the file download arrives. So I think we have to chalk it up to GG going with the movie maxim of, "Show, don't tell," and then going really overboard with it. It also ties in to the corrupters hacking the other machines by firing their little red whatevers at the machines rather than physically hooking up with them or connecting wirelessly. Because I'm a loser that way, I tend to visualize things how I would depict them if I did a movie or TV series of them, so I pictured it as Sylens with a nicely jury-rigged receiver integrated with his focus scanning around the sky looking for the signal until he finds it. The focus depicts the signal flowing into his receiver, just not quite as much like an organic object. I like to find a way to preserve the goofy futuristic/old aesthetic but make it a bit more believable. Assuming we have to maintain a physical attack rather than wireless, I envision the corrupters working by shooting little spider bots that run to the connection port on the machine, interface, and then hack the machine and send the control signal back to the corrupter and goddamn I've got too much free time.
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And all of that would be very cool and believable if it were shown to be that way, but it is not. It's shown as magic red swirly rays that transmit information and/or biomass. Anyway, Sylens is such a dick in the best possible way. I just got to the bit in my playthrough where Aloy is coming up toward the disabled Tallneck and Sylens basically says to her after listening to some guy lament about how he came to be a loving cult member: "He has a focus you seem to lack" as though not being a brainwashed religious fundamentalist is a mark against her. In fact, Sylens, the fact she is not beholden to any religeous beliefs is why she got as far as she did and you of all people should know that so why are you busting her balls, so to speak, for not being like some random zealot whose recordings she just listened to? "Trust is for fools. It shifts and crumbles like sand." God I love/hate this character he's so compelling. Cactus fucked around with this message at 01:34 on Feb 7, 2022 |
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Cactus posted:And all of that would be very cool and believable if it were shown to be that way, but it is not. It's shown as magic red swirly rays that transmit information and/or biomass. Sylens is such a fun character. Though I'd hate anyone like him in real life, he's amazing to watch and listen to. It's so funny when he tries to explain to Aloy when the Earth is round when she already figured it out. "We-we'll talk about this later." Also, I just realized the Monday after the game releases is a holiday. So excited for those 4 days.
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I have two loving weeks booked off after Forbiden West is released! (not because of this game specifically, haha; no, because if I didn't book them before April I'd lose them, so after Forbidden West it became!) And yeah I totally love the barbed insult directed at all Flat Earthers "Why would I think that; the Earth's shadow on the moon is curved...God Sylens, you're such a dolt!" I could just see the idiots that was addressed to seething at yet another slight that Reality delivered. Even a "primitive" tribeswoman could see what those idiots willfuly refuse to believe.
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Cactus posted:And all of that would be very cool and believable if it were shown to be that way, but it is not. It's shown as magic red swirly rays that transmit information and/or biomass. Right. Thanks for clarifying.
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