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No Safe Word posted:
He should have not put his 'sc trade beginners' tree in there in any capacity. It's going to bait a bunch of people, which is going to be sad.
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Feb 3, 2022 11:47
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IMO, unless they stealth nerfed delve cities a bunch in 3.17, the best map sustain is more delve 
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Feb 3, 2022 11:59
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TheRat posted:There is no atlas bonus anymore. It all comes from your tree. That tree is like trying to progress maps with zero bonus while taking a bunch of dangerous poo poo that makes maps harder. It's almost like it's perfectly designed to make a beginner have a miserable time and quit. well idk I always got at least a replacement map- the big problem was it often felt like I got the same tier map as I was currently running, but the wrong region, or a tier down, or 5 t1s etc. now maybe I'm being too hopeful but I'm thinking maybe removing regions and watchstones means it's just straight up you run an end boss and all your maps can only drop as t5 or whatever. that would mean map drop rates are still important for more passive points but not directly tied to progressing anything besides your xp bar.
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Feb 3, 2022 12:12
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TheRat posted:There is no atlas bonus anymore. It all comes from your tree. That tree is like trying to progress maps with zero bonus while taking a bunch of dangerous poo poo that makes maps harder. It's almost like it's perfectly designed to make a beginner have a miserable time and quit. Ziz is also pushing EA ballistas
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Feb 3, 2022 12:18
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the moral of the story is maybe wait till the end of the first week to let someone else pick your atlas passives for you. ziggyd or whoever the gently caress isn't gonna have to run your maps if they're wrong lol. it's not the same as a character tree
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Feb 3, 2022 12:22
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u love to see it, folks!
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Feb 3, 2022 12:24
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TheRat posted:Do something like this and then do whatever you want after: Ah, yeah, ol' hands on hips stickman, the classic tree.
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Feb 3, 2022 12:25
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euphronius posted:Ziz is also pushing EA ballistas I suppose he could push Ghazzys minion builds if he wanted a change, Ziz is entertaining.  Speaking as an armchair general & keyboard warrior i think PConc and most minion builds will be the big winners in this league (of course i'm not playing in the league). 
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Feb 3, 2022 12:28
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Toyed around a bit, this looks like i could like it, no real idea though Map sustain and Strongboxes, rogue exiles, beyond and essence with a side of exarch 
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Feb 3, 2022 12:32
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im gonna bumrush kirac and boss nodes and I'm going to hate myself when it turns out both new bosses do Sirus's poison clear bullshit or some other thing that ends up no selling my build lol
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Feb 3, 2022 12:56
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Plan to poisonous concoction pathfinder. I didn't give it a go last league, and the rest of the popular starters this league seem to involve playstyles I don't enjoy. Spectral helix is numerically strong, but I've used it enough to be familiar with its janky feel. EA ballistas looks like it will put out amazing damage, but it is delay upon delay upon delay. Skele mages looks like the least cancerous playstyle (aside from the screen cancer), but it is essentially just minion totems. I did some poisonous concoction testing, and found that as soon as I hit 12 and got a three link I could blink and find myself at maps. The playstyle was pretty smooth too. It might not be scalable to the moon like some other options, but it looks like it will be scalable enough while not requiring any specific uniques.
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Feb 3, 2022 13:04
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Just got elemental helix to maps, I know the skill is good but I am in no way even close to knowledgeable about keeping a trinity build at par. I compared it to the run of poison helix I did, and even though I bought a wasp nest and ungil's the damage difference is just huge even if I knock it down to a 4l. I just know I'll hit a road block at one point with the ranger version that I don't know how to fix. Also plan to do something like this for science. I want to see if I can brick my atlas.   You can ready the tomatoes. The elemental helix build also uses far shot and it is just a hassle, maybe when your damage is just blasting its fine but drat... positioning.. Tenzarin fucked around with this message at 13:30 on Feb 3, 2022 |
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Feb 3, 2022 13:27
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What about far shot and point blank together ?
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Feb 3, 2022 13:46
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euphronius posted:What about far shot and point blank together ? I don't remember the maths, but that was a good combo back in they day.
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Feb 3, 2022 13:50
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There is a chart on the Poe wiki
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Feb 3, 2022 13:50
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Far Shot is much better than you'd think for Helix because it uses projectile travel distance, not the distance from you to the monster. This means it reaches max distance very quickly and even things relatively close to you are still getting a large bonus.
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Feb 3, 2022 13:54
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Going to go elementalist lightning tendies with orb, if it doesnt work then I'll switch over to arc for league starting before I try something else.
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Feb 3, 2022 14:03
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Tenzarin posted:Just got elemental helix to maps, I know the skill is good but I am in no way even close to knowledgeable about keeping a trinity build at par. I compared it to the run of poison helix I did, and even though I bought a wasp nest and ungil's the damage difference is just huge even if I knock it down to a 4l. I just know I'll hit a road block at one point with the ranger version that I don't know how to fix. I havent played since like 6 leagues and i am wondering On paper elemental helix looks nice, since it has a lot of dmg effectiveness to get more and more dmg with gear upgrades. With PConc (and other poison builds) scaling the dmg at like early mid map lvl looks very difficult for me.
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Feb 3, 2022 14:07
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pconc PF is also a really dope heister and delver, if you go that route. nice and speedy.
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Feb 3, 2022 14:18
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I mucked around on a standard character again last night and I'm so excited about my dumb poison blade flurry / venom gyre trickster. Re: spectral helix- it's super good! Spectral throw needs a drat buff. Damage effectiveness? Added flat damage? Literally anything please.
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Feb 3, 2022 14:20
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Pconc doesn't scale to the moon, but it scales enough. This video was pretty convincing, showing some guardian maps with very mediocre gear. If you look at his PoB, he isn't wearing mirror tier stuff there. It is all 'first week of the league' type gear, and he is doing fine. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SqyjXD2CDxY
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Feb 3, 2022 14:22
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AutismVaccine posted:I havent played since like 6 leagues and i am wondering Helix will scale better but pconc scales fine till end game bosses. It wont melt the bosses instantly but it has an unbeatable smooth experience from start till late red maps.
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Feb 3, 2022 14:34
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I got to t16 maps in the delirium challenge league with pconc pf, it scales just fine. Though as mentioned, it does hit a ceiling at some point.
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Feb 3, 2022 14:45
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Speaking of pconc, here's a youtube about swapping from pconc to poison helix pathfinder if anyone is interested. TLDR: its basically just play pconc pathfinder until you get a wasp nest. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l74__0AiJFw
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Feb 3, 2022 15:03
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Broken Cog posted:I got to t16 maps in the delirium challenge league with pconc pf, it scales just fine. Though as mentioned, it does hit a ceiling at some point. iirc you can still get is 2-5m dps at like 20ex investment depending on the market so it's not like you can't easily clear all content on a budget anyway e: i played the occultist variant and also ran enfeeble and tempchains, so it was also one of the tankier builds i've ran so far, despite only getting to like 6k life+es or somesuch Truga fucked around with this message at 15:35 on Feb 3, 2022 |
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Feb 3, 2022 15:08
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I'm going for a Witch Necromancer/fire build. Been practicing it in standard and its fun. Raise zombies to start, then link the summon phantoms support gem to my fireball.
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Feb 3, 2022 15:38
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gently caress you guys are talking me into PC. Not having to worry about a bow is enticing.
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Feb 3, 2022 15:40
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TheRat posted:I feel like I need to put out a warning here. Zizaran - pretty much the most popular content creator for beginners for PoE is advertising the following tree as good for softcore trade beginners: I'm surprised he recommended this for beginners. In addition to the lack of map sustain nodes, he takes unrelenting torment which is going to brick the map for a lot of builds early on. It's worded the same as the harvest enchant, which is a bunch of ghosts around the boss. I think the safest beginner tree sticks to the center of the tree with the map sustain nodes and other things that add guaranteed value to every map. Essences, strongboxes, shrines, harbingers, etc. I do like the thought of that combo of torment nodes he has which I hadn't given any consideration, but more for a developed build where a multi ghosted boss isn't a brick.
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Feb 3, 2022 15:48
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BigRed0427 posted:I'm going for a Witch Necromancer/fire build. Been practicing it in standard and its fun. Not to rain on your parade, but this sounds like you're going to be half-assing two things, which will lead to bad times in this game. If you want Phantasms, you're going to need your Fireball to kill things, which means putting points into spell damage and fire damage and such, which means you're not putting points into your minions. But then if you do put points into your minions, your Zombies are the ones killing things, which means you're not getting Phantasms because your Fireball isn't doing the killing. It's going to be especially rough on bosses with limited/no adds because Phantasm only has a 10% chance to proc on rare/unique monster hit and Fireball is not exactly a fast-hitting skill. Pick one of fire or minions. Minions is probably the easiest for a new person. People here have vouched Von Vikton's minion builds.
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Feb 3, 2022 15:57
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I'm not sure switching from PConc to poison Helix Pathfinder is the play. The synergy between Perfect Agony, Nightblade and Ungils just isn't there as much without the assassin nodes.
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Feb 3, 2022 16:25
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BigRed0427 posted:I'm going for a Witch Necromancer/fire build. Been practicing it in standard and its fun. If you want to blast nerds to summon minions that blast nerds harder, Absolution might be your thing
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Feb 3, 2022 16:42
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J posted:I'm surprised he recommended this for beginners. In addition to the lack of map sustain nodes, he takes unrelenting torment which is going to brick the map for a lot of builds early on. It's worded the same as the harvest enchant, which is a bunch of ghosts around the boss. I think the safest beginner tree sticks to the center of the tree with the map sustain nodes and other things that add guaranteed value to every map. Essences, strongboxes, shrines, harbingers, etc. I do like the thought of that combo of torment nodes he has which I hadn't given any consideration, but more for a developed build where a multi ghosted boss isn't a brick. Rogue metamorphs aren't a joke either for beginners with weak characters. I'm all for experienced players loving around, they usually know what they're doing and have builds that can handle it, but leading beginners down this road is just bad form imo. It's going to make them miserable, feel like they hit a brick wall and maybe even quit.
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Feb 3, 2022 16:47
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Thanks for the infos mates. What is the strongest endgame version of this? I looked through like 20 builds on poeninja and the major archetypes i spotted are Divine Flesh+ Chaos res stacking Going Frenzycharges/FarrelFur plus the selfpoisening suite Going 2 big jewel clusters, MANY chaos dmg nodes plus Added chaos Dmg in the 6link Also what is the verdict on Versatile Combatant? Is it worth the investment? Imo it looks pretty nice combined with high armour
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Feb 3, 2022 16:56
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to go back to skelly mages, One things not pointed out I guess is that minion cluster jewels are often $$$$$$$.
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Feb 3, 2022 16:57
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whypick1 posted:Not to rain on your parade, but this sounds like you're going to be half-assing two things, which will lead to bad times in this game. If you want Phantasms, you're going to need your Fireball to kill things, which means putting points into spell damage and fire damage and such, which means you're not putting points into your minions. But then if you do put points into your minions, your Zombies are the ones killing things, which means you're not getting Phantasms because your Fireball isn't doing the killing. It's going to be especially rough on bosses with limited/no adds because Phantasm only has a 10% chance to proc on rare/unique monster hit and Fireball is not exactly a fast-hitting skill. Ok. I definitely wanted to lean Minions over fire damage anyway. I just figured for a minion build, I still need one offensive spell/skill. I just started a witch in standard to get a handle of the class before leauge starts and saw a combo I thought was cool. BigRed0427 fucked around with this message at 17:32 on Feb 3, 2022 |
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Feb 3, 2022 17:14
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Cinara posted:https://www.reddit.com/r/pathofexile/comments/si3r3m/here_is_another_unique_item_you_may_discover_in/hv7gmm8/?context=3 Well that loving sucks then. Why wouldn't they say "All Your Damage"? Meanwhile in the land of other non-functional Uniques, Gravebind is bugged as gently caress when two people are using it. I tried it with Occultist (for explosions and Spiders) and had it on her AG as well (for Chains of Command) and it will credit more or less every kill to the Occultist, unless I unequip and reequip it, and then I get no credit and the AG gets all the credit and makes Animate Weapons. I can't find an answer on how it's intended to function when multiple people have it, if they all are supposed to get credit for a kill, or dished out randomly, or they cancel each other out, but the more I test the most confusing it gets.
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Feb 3, 2022 17:16
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BigRed0427 posted:Ok. I definitely wanted to lean Minions over fire damage anyway. I just figured for a minion build, I still need one offensive spell/skill. You don't need a offensive spell/skill, it's entirely feasible to spend all of your time buffing your minions and dodging while they eat things for you. I will say that if you're starting out with minions, slot Purifying Flame somewhere. No need to link it to anything. It adds a little damage but creates consecrated ground which is going to give you and your minions a decent chunk of life regeneration. One of the biggest problems starting out with minions is that you can't keep them alive until you start getting them tankier and able to heal on their own. Once your minions are tanky enough to survive without being babysat, you can drop it.
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Feb 3, 2022 17:35
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Tenzarin posted:Speaking of pconc, here's a youtube about swapping from pconc to poison helix pathfinder if anyone is interested. TLDR: its basically just play pconc pathfinder until you get a wasp nest. Thanks for posting this. I was.leaning towards pconc but with a build I can pivot to once it hits a wall, I feel much better for that.
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Feb 3, 2022 17:48
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aanyone have a POB for the pathfind Pconc that is abusing flagellant flask setups?
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Feb 3, 2022 17:50
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More pcoc then you will need https://youtu.be/tQVqgRmFiuY
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Feb 3, 2022 17:51
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