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Transfer Orders was always a very confusing mission for me. You could get rid of the opening cutscene and escort parts completely without losing much of the plot. The in-mission chatter also doesn't make much sense, as we hear what sounds like some sort of standoff in Bulgudarest that is just... Never brought up again? It's clear to me this mission started as part of some kind of different story than what we ended up with, even if it wasn't ever a route split. This mission just feels weird in the context of the campaign.
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MShadowy posted:edit: also I was hesitant to mention it during the contest but whoever got the most hours out of this should probably get a spare squadron gang tag or something And the number of stripes is the number of times you were probated  (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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<< You have 48 lines, don't you Jobbo? Well, you are crows sanity murderer... >> (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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Feb 4, 2022 05:27
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Triggerhappypilot posted:Here's my hot take: McKinsey was right. He WAS the guy with the insane idea to let prisoners fly jets, and every single mission he sent Spare Squadron on was an unqualified success, even when the squadron got ambushed by a false flag attack that probably worked on a bunch of regular pilot squadrons. they did nothing without the player, though. which is true in seven in general but at least the other squadrons you roll with pay lipservice to actually contributing, the only one who the game even pretends is doing stuff is Count and which is why he's Wingman. Inglonias posted:Transfer Orders was always a very confusing mission for me. You could get rid of the opening cutscene and escort parts completely without losing much of the plot. The in-mission chatter also doesn't make much sense, as we hear what sounds like some sort of standoff in Bulgudarest that is just... Never brought up again? it's a video game so they did an escort mission, not everything is plot centric. Heck, the back fourth of the game is pretty bad about excuse missions. cutscene explains a narrative beat that'll come up later, Bulgudarest tells off unknown aircraft breaching their air space which you shoot down, ez.
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Feb 4, 2022 05:43
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Triggerhappypilot posted:Here's my hot take: McKinsey was right. He WAS the guy with the insane idea to let prisoners fly jets, and every single mission he sent Spare Squadron on was an unqualified success, even when the squadron got ambushed by a false flag attack that probably worked on a bunch of regular pilot squadrons. Except it was Bandog who let the squad go weapons free. McKinsey only claimed credit once it was a success, despite trying to prevent it earlier. Also, the penal unit that rebelled wasn't Spare. It was another similar unit that Osea created after McKinsey really upsold the whole "Giving convicts planes has no flaws. Nothing can go wrong!" idea. Avril would probably mention if one of their guys got dropped rather than just say there were rumors going around. Further, he's command staff, which means he probably got shuffled away from Spare like McKinsey, Trigger, and Count. There's not much to say about the plot at this point that hasn't been covered. The plot is a little messy, there's some nice politics with the neighboring nations getting sick of Erusea's poo poo, and we're finally free of McKinsey, but this is a bit of an anticlimactic ending to Plane Jail. Sure, it's nice to see Bandog and the Control tower sign off as friends, and we still have Count around being a jackass (although slightly less of one than he used to be), but this mission is pretty basic. A little escort, a fight with a drone (where Trigger again proves he's insane, and McKinsey again proves he's a moron), and a repeat run-in with the LRSSG, who we'll probably see a lot more going forward. No big fanfare. Just a new voice in the briefing room. That said, there is something exciting about this mission's initial briefing. It's nearly impossible to see under normal circumstances, but if you adjust the brightness just right, you can see Trigger outside of his plane and flight helmet. Even then, it's hard to pick out detail, but looking at a picture, seems he's got short, dark hair, and a pretty average build that suggests he's somewhere in his early 20s. Nothing terribly distinctive, but hey. Most Ace Combat protagonists don't get that much. It's another little thing pushing Trigger to "character" instead of cipher.
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Feb 4, 2022 05:53
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Since we’re out of Plane Jail…we’re coming up on the best part of the game. We’re getting a redemption arc! Hell yeah!
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Feb 4, 2022 06:11
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Also something that isn't really touched on, but I think plane jail is supposed to be where Trigger crossed the line from 'talented rookie' to 'legend'. Like, there's some chatter about you being 'Mage's new hotshot' before, but I think the idea is supposed to be that it was the fact that McKenzie kept sending Trigger into impossible situations, that he had to become more than just a 'normal' ace and turned into an unstoppable flying terror. Like I said, it's never outright said, but I always thought the idea was that it was McKenzie's awful planning, and Bandog's ability to make McKenzie's terrible ideas and turn them into halfway workable strategies that forged Trigger into the kind of guy that makes or breaks a Strangereal war.
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Feb 4, 2022 06:35
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chiasaur11 posted:Except it was Bandog who let the squad go weapons free. McKinsey only claimed credit once it was a success, despite trying to prevent it earlier.  This is the clearest* shot we get in-game of Trigger outside of a cockpit.
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Feb 4, 2022 06:38
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Mathwyn posted:I failed this mission twice on my first run, once to McKinley eating too many missiles, the other to timing out on the drone. I'm doing the bombing mission in the plane jail arc and you REALLY hurt for any decent bomb for doing it in one go. And the F-14 is no bueno at slow speeds. Almost like the USA's premier interceptor isn't a ground attacker or something!
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Veloxyll posted:I'm doing the bombing mission in the plane jail arc and you REALLY hurt for any decent bomb for doing it in one go. F-14B Bombcat would disagree with you.  Also it seems like it's just the Osean / USA protags that get to have a physical body in Ace Combat- 
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Feb 4, 2022 11:41
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I just gotta say I loving lost it when a goddamn Arwing showed up in the video posted not even an hour after I made a Star Fox shitpost. I have no idea what the gently caress an electrosphere is, but if those are in it Crow should play it for us.
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Feb 4, 2022 12:10
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That's a good viggen picture thank you crow Anyway electrosphere is just ghost in the shell with weirder music. Much like Ace Combat 7 is really just hit Hollywood movie Stealth with weirder music if you really think about it
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Feb 4, 2022 13:39
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I don't recall struggling with this map too much. I beat it on Ace and S ranked it first time in my recent run through to clear out Ace entirely. The trick is running in with Air to Air missiles since the SAMs are easily dealt with using your standard ones and so the order of the day is killing enemy planes quickly. Then you can just fly into the ground immediately after the checkpoint and pepper the drone with tonnes of air to air, normal missiles and machinegun fire. The machine gun is really effective here since the drone isn't very durable and can't shoot done bullets.
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Feb 4, 2022 14:14
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I think the pre-briefing cutscene is the weirdest part of the mission, and I have to wonder if it was made before a script change. You get Avril implying she's going to make a phone call to her grandad's contacts, then having a conversation with McKinsey that I frankly have a hard time following. Pretty sure the end result is she gets herself a ride on McKinsey's plane? But then after briefing we find out she didn't go after all because...reasons? Also McKinsey seems to constantly forget if the 444 has been pardoned and is a regular unit now or if they're still a suicide squad penal unit. That might just be good character work though
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Might just mean that the pilots got pardoned thanks to
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I wasn't clear on whether she was the one who dictated that the unit went one way and he went the other. That she wasn't just getting a seat on the plane, but was telling him to find a reason to leave those people alone before she got him court martialed for the questionable poo poo he'd been pulling. I thought that would have been the split. Whether she (and therefore the player) went with him or the rest of the spares.
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Feb 4, 2022 15:13
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I guess that wouldn't fit with his repeated statements about getting out of there though.
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goatface posted:I wasn't clear on whether she was the one who dictated that the unit went one way and he went the other. Sounded more to me that she had sussed out that McKinsey was going somewhere else other than Tyler Island she wanted go with him to essentially not go straight into the jaws of hell at the frontline. So she managed to pull a few strings to pretty much blackmail him into letting her on. And then he pulled a dick move and left her behind anyway.
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Feb 4, 2022 15:42
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I've finished the Ace Combat 6 Lets Play and I never wish to dance with the angels again.
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I took it that she decided to nope out on the ride, choosing to go with the unit, which is why she was chastising herself for being a hero. Or she assumed (or was told during the phonecall) that command weren't particularly interested in keeping him alive.
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ManSedan posted:I've finished the Ace Combat 6 Lets Play and I never wish to dance with the angels again. You best start believing in angels again, because you're dancing with one in this and all other ace combat threads
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Should have just claimed to be Count and Trigger's mechanic. They'd have gone to bat for her.
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The way I interpreted that whole cutscene was that Avril called her contacts to get the lid blown on the entire penal unit and at the same time grab McKinsey by the balls to arrange for her own departure on her own terms. Dunno why she had the change of heart, maybe a little angel danced up to her ear and told her McKinsey would get thrown into the front lines and she noped out.
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I took that her call was to rat out McKinsey but also tell someone about Trigger. McKinsey even says "If the General Staff Office hadn't requested you..."
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She's the one that got Trigger assigned to the mission. McKensey accused Trigger of 'messing around behind the scenes', but thanks to the cutscene we know it wasn't Trigger, it was Avril who was doing that. What I always took away from that was that Avril had sussed out McKensey's plan, and knew that he'd have a riot if she exposed it beforehand. Even the guards would be calling for his head when they found out he was sending them into a pretty much doomed attack with no support just to distract the enemy while he flew off in the other direction. So she figured that she could use that info to strongarm McKensey into letting her come along, as long as she didn't push him too much. She also knew that McKensey hated Trigger, and liked Count because he believed all the bullshit Count told him. So she pulled strings to force him to assign Trigger to the escort, because that's where she was going to be, and she knew that Trigger was the only one who was keeping any of them alive.
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Geemer posted:The way I interpreted that whole cutscene was that Avril called her contacts to get the lid blown on the entire penal unit and at the same time grab McKinsey by the balls to arrange for her own departure on her own terms. I was always under the impression that McKinsey, the petulant asswipe he is, didn’t take kindly to Avril putting the screws to him, so he just paid her lip service to get her to back off, and then counter-screwed her to make sure she didn’t get on the plane to North Point with him. There’s a hint of surprise and disappointment in her voice in the line “So the liaison plane left without me.” It certainly sounds like she was meant to be on it and McKinsey just ordered the flight to leave without her or something, so she HAD to go to Tyler Island instead.
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nine-gear crow posted:I was always under the impression that McKinsey, the petulant asswipe he is, didn’t take kindly to Avril putting the screws to him, so he just paid her lip service to get her to back off, and then counter-screwed her to make sure she didn’t get on the plane to North Point with him. There’s a hint of surprise and disappointment in her voice in the line “So the liaison plane left without me.” You're probably right. Also, does anything really happen if you shoot down his plane? You mentioned getting 1000 points, but does it then proceed in a mission failure or does the weird drone show up early?
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nine-gear crow posted:It certainly sounds like she was meant to be on it and McKinsey just ordered the flight to leave without her or something, so she HAD to go to Tyler Island instead. That's pretty much my reading of the end results as well. She sought a chance to get away and then got screwed over because McKinsey. Geemer posted:You're probably right. Also, does anything really happen if you shoot down his plane? You mentioned getting 1000 points, but does it then proceed in a mission failure or does the weird drone show up early? Straight up mission failure. As he shows in the video.
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Cooked Auto posted:Straight up mission failure. As he shows in the video. Must've blanked on that. Thanks.
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Geemer posted:You're probably right. Also, does anything really happen if you shoot down his plane? You mentioned getting 1000 points, but does it then proceed in a mission failure or does the weird drone show up early? Yeah, it’s an instant mission failure and auto restart. You just get 1000 points and the special lines from Bandog because PA knew you’d try it and decided to indulge you. Sadly if you restart the mission, you don’t get to keep the 1000 points.
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nine-gear crow posted:Yeah, it’s an instant mission failure and auto restart. You just get 1000 points and the special lines from Bandog because PA knew you’d try and decided to indulge you. Sadly if you restart the mission, you don’t get to keep the 1000 points. drat cowards. They should've let you keep 'em. Heck, made them a requirement for an S rank!
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lmao an S-rank requirement that involved failing the mission would piss off so many people
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Going through all the trouble to animate and voice the preceding scenes to the mission just to go "haha no" is a really weird choice.
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I think what we've learnt is that they hosed up the direction in that intro. Needed some more time in the storyboard. Unless it made more sense in the original and just died in translation?
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kw0134 posted:Going through all the trouble to animate and voice the preceding scenes to the mission just to go "haha no" is a really weird choice. It is just so frickin weird to me that Avril basically drops out of the story now until the end of the game. Same with Schroeder too to a lesser extent. Once the LRSSG arc begins, the game basically sidelined both narrators. This is also where more of the story is told in the mission briefings and debriefs and in-mission among the characters instead of in cutscenes, so an external narrator isn’t exactly needed anymore either.
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My understanding is AC7's story development was turbulent, to put it lightly. It's not just a translation issue.
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They start with the crazy moments and work backwards from there.
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i can't believe i got probed by crow while he was still probed what the hell kinda system is this? (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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MayOrMayNotBeACat posted:i can't believe i got probed by crow while he was still probed One that lets him get away with murder. I'm sure he's planning his next kill as we speak
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By the way, Dan if you gets sauced on cider again and go on another rampage, can I please get a red panda on my rap sheet? (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST) (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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