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gonadic io
Feb 16, 2011

>>=

Jose posted:

It's really cool how because we don't have nationalised energy the UK exports all its gas to Belgium

this worked so well for kazakhstan

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Jose
Jul 24, 2007

Adrian Chiles is a broadcaster and writer
Lmao

https://twitter.com/JakeWSimons/status/1489226754245996546?t=uWSWkW-jC42FCNl7Cx-l0A&s=19

V. Illych L.
Apr 11, 2008

ASK ME ABOUT LUMBER

energy financialisation has the power to completely gently caress people over and if there's going to be a serious fight against financialisation starting anywhere it's going to be with energy. lots of energy exporters with wild fluctuation in costs directly attributable to financialisation. an actual (though very outwardly moderate) communist party is pushing 10% in polls in norway for the first time since the war.

genericnick
Dec 26, 2012


What's a legal figure?

euphronius
Feb 18, 2009

judges?

R. Mute
Jul 27, 2011

Jose posted:

It's really cool how because we don't have nationalised energy the UK exports all its gas to Belgium
thanks for the gas, suckers

R. Mute
Jul 27, 2011

it's mine now

MikeCrotch
Nov 5, 2011

I AM UNJUSTIFIABLY PROUD OF MY SPAGHETTI BOLOGNESE RECIPE

YES, IT IS AN INCREDIBLY SIMPLE DISH

NO, IT IS NOT NORMAL TO USE A PEPPERAMI INSTEAD OF MINCED MEAT

YES, THERE IS TOO MUCH SALT IN MY RECIPE

NO, I WON'T STOP SHARING IT

more like BOLLOCKnese

Tripartite government, it's back baby. Awooooo

Grape
Nov 16, 2017

Happily shilling for China!

This has very quickly drat near surpassed Republicans in terms of doing crazy bullshit for Israel.

Relevant Tangent
Nov 18, 2016

Tangentially Relevant

Jaeluni Asjil posted:

When my dad was a kid, if he or his brothers ever got any money gifts, my nan would tell him to put the money in the 'special grey savings box under the stairs' (ie the meter).
He was a teenager before he realized.

i had never heard of this particular horror and my god i feel bad for everyone on your hell island

Relevant Tangent
Nov 18, 2016

Tangentially Relevant

CoolCab posted:

only for poor people. it actually costs more too.

have you all considered killing those responsible

Jaeluni Asjil
Apr 18, 2018

Sorry I thought you were a landlord when I gave you your old avatar!

Relevant Tangent posted:

i had never heard of this particular horror and my god i feel bad for everyone on your hell island

It can be really bad now. Some people are not allowed 'post-pay' (ie pay a monthly / quarterly bill) and have to pre-pay which costs more and now is done with a 'smart key' that you have to get charged at a local store (assuming there's one near by) or online (cue gammon frothing because a poor person has a phone that does online stuff despite it being almost impossible to function without one these days).
I've seen posts on local facebook groups from desperate people late at night or on longer public holidays who have run out of electricity and can't get their key recharged or get online to top up, some with small kids or carers of sick or much older relatives.

Jose
Jul 24, 2007

Adrian Chiles is a broadcaster and writer

Grape posted:

This has very quickly drat near surpassed Republicans in terms of doing crazy bullshit for Israel.

https://twitter.com/lobjob/status/1489303376428945411?t=_ILYJBjIVlORoic99fCN_A&s=19

lumpentroll
Mar 4, 2020

lol

90s Cringe Rock
Nov 29, 2006
:gay:
(((pronouns)))

Regarde Aduck
Oct 19, 2012

c l o u d k i t t e n
Grimey Drawer

Grape posted:

This has very quickly drat near surpassed Republicans in terms of doing crazy bullshit for Israel.

Small but powerful right wing bloc that has minimal dissenting voices within its own community and has successfully weaponised the lefts anti-bigotry against itself

We literally don't have the young progressive jewish population with which to defend against such a perfectly aimed weapon

The only general defense would be to have a population with critical thinking skills and lmao no

V. Illych L.
Apr 11, 2008

ASK ME ABOUT LUMBER

yeah the corbyn antisemitism stuff exposed a very deep flaw in much of the contemporary left's approach to anti-racism and epistemic issues etc. with which there hasn't been an explicit reckoning but which has seen something of a de-emphasis on subjective experience as inassailable. just a pity that it cost us the first genuine chance at a left-wing leader in Europe in decades.

Quotey
Aug 16, 2006

We went out for lunch and then we stopped for some bubble tea.

Jaeluni Asjil posted:

When my dad was a kid, if he or his brothers ever got any money gifts, my nan would tell him to put the money in the 'special grey savings box under the stairs' (ie the meter).
He was a teenager before he realized.

lmao

We never had coin ones, was leccy cards

Jose
Jul 24, 2007

Adrian Chiles is a broadcaster and writer
Lol


https://twitter.com/malaiseforever/status/1489317049289609225?t=tdL7jIENWMPmUZBDIv1l3Q&s=19

Relevant Tangent
Nov 18, 2016

Tangentially Relevant

V. Illych L. posted:

yeah the corbyn antisemitism stuff exposed a very deep flaw in much of the contemporary left's approach to anti-racism and epistemic issues etc. with which there hasn't been an explicit reckoning but which has seen something of a de-emphasis on subjective experience as inassailable. just a pity that it cost us the first genuine chance at a left-wing leader in Europe in decades.

the uk has made it very clear they're not in Europe

Southpaugh
May 26, 2007

Smokey Bacon


V. Illych L. posted:

yeah the corbyn antisemitism stuff exposed a very deep flaw in much of the contemporary left's approach to anti-racism and epistemic issues etc. with which there hasn't been an explicit reckoning but which has seen something of a de-emphasis on subjective experience as inassailable. just a pity that it cost us the first genuine chance at a left-wing leader in Europe in decades.

I don't know where you get this stuff from. British labour are nominally left wing, and the things they get up to on plague island do not ring true for the rest of the world.

No Dignity
Oct 15, 2007

also nobody outside of incredibly bitter left shitposters has learnt a single lesson from trying to ID-pol themselves out of the antisemitism accusations

Jose
Jul 24, 2007

Adrian Chiles is a broadcaster and writer
labour lost another by-election and its fun to read about why since its a combination fo the labour council being loving poo poo and ignoring residents to build expensive housing nobody wants with a whole bunch of racism included

https://confidentials.com/manchester/liberal-democrats-take-ancoats-and-beswick-from-labour

https://twitter.com/BritainElects/status/1489386766444507140?s=20&t=mSVt7g3MW9Bw-2bO7TYxsg

the panacea
May 10, 2008

:10bux::10bux::10bux::10bux::10bux::10bux::10bux::10bux::10bux::10bux::10bux::10bux::10bux::10bux::10bux::10bux::10bux::10bux::10bux::10bux:

V. Illych L. posted:

yeah the corbyn antisemitism stuff exposed a very deep flaw in much of the contemporary left's approach to anti-racism and epistemic issues etc. with which there hasn't been an explicit reckoning but which has seen something of a de-emphasis on subjective experience as inassailable. just a pity that it cost us the first genuine chance at a left-wing leader in Europe in decades.

I'm sure something else would've been done to assure that no socialist will be in charge of the UK.

kyojin
Jun 15, 2005

I MASHED THE KEYS AND LOOK WHAT I MADE

The solution to this and everything else is going to be "have a big war"

gimme the GOD DAMN candy
Jul 1, 2007
how? by firing all those admirals out of an antique catapult?

Jose
Jul 24, 2007

Adrian Chiles is a broadcaster and writer
:yikes:

https://twitter.com/jrc1921/status/1489586961656516608?s=20&t=HHHE_BKwDP0zgsnQV9qGFw

ContinuityNewTimes
Dec 30, 2010

Я выдуман напрочь

Jimmy Carr, a oval office? Didn't see that coming

Grape
Nov 16, 2017

Happily shilling for China!

Excited to see the British chapter of the Turtle Club is opening soon.


Holy loving poo poo that's vile.

And that's on Netflix????

Grape has issued a correction as of 16:19 on Feb 4, 2022

No Dignity
Oct 15, 2007

The Green Party's given the boot to its two most prominent TERFs today, rare bit of good news :)

RandolphCarter
Jul 30, 2005


Jaeluni Asjil posted:

It can be really bad now. Some people are not allowed 'post-pay' (ie pay a monthly / quarterly bill) and have to pre-pay which costs more and now is done with a 'smart key' that you have to get charged at a local store (assuming there's one near by) or online (cue gammon frothing because a poor person has a phone that does online stuff despite it being almost impossible to function without one these days).
I've seen posts on local facebook groups from desperate people late at night or on longer public holidays who have run out of electricity and can't get their key recharged or get online to top up, some with small kids or carers of sick or much older relatives.

Jesus Christ

BalloonFish
Jun 30, 2013



Fun Shoe

:smith:

One of the first things that started jolting me out of my cosy middle class upbringing and realising that I had it loving easy was when I got a weekend job at the local Co-op and first encountered these PayPoint pre-paid 'sticks'. This would have been 2003, so before it could be done online.

And then came the frazzled-looking people dumping small piles of loose change on the counter or rifling through coat pockets to try and make up the minimum payment, and getting the closing shift on Saturday evening guaranteed that at least one person would be frantically trying to top up their account before closing time...sometimes with bonus 'fun' of having to tell them that their card had been declined, the PayPoint network was down or something and watching them fight back the tears.

I remember looking through the PayPoint instructions, noticing how expensive it was and then realising "huh, so the people who don't have enough credit to just set up an account with the provider have to pay significantly more for their electricity than the well-off...and this makes sense how?"

BalloonFish has issued a correction as of 17:03 on Feb 4, 2022

BalloonFish
Jun 30, 2013



Fun Shoe
Quote isn't edit, sorry

CoolCab
Apr 17, 2005

glem

and again their energy costs more. it's not just punitive in a bunch of obvious ways if you can pass a credit check and get a meter you pay less per watt too

it's the craziest and evilest thing.

No Dignity
Oct 15, 2007

Not a new invention either, we had one of them when I was a kid and the practice never got a look in throughout the whole New Labour era

Desiderata
May 25, 2005
Go placidly amid the noise and haste...

Jose posted:

labour lost another by-election and its fun to read about why since its a combination fo the labour council being loving poo poo and ignoring residents to build expensive housing nobody wants with a whole bunch of racism included

https://confidentials.com/manchester/liberal-democrats-take-ancoats-and-beswick-from-labour

https://twitter.com/BritainElects/status/1489386766444507140?s=20&t=mSVt7g3MW9Bw-2bO7TYxsg

In some ways this is a shame, because the Local labour party in Ancoats (at the regularly attending members level) there were very radical, the momentum slate took over several components of the local party structure. But (as you might expect) many of the councillors and at the CLP leadership level did everything they could to thwart them at every step, and stamp down on any internal democracy, including some clp votes that were downright rigged. So after much effort no actual positive progress was made.

No doubt this will be spun by the party as their own membership are the excuse for this failure, rather than any introspection about the party's own actions. But in truth it is far more influenced by the actual local issues above, and if anything the last few years have to have seen even the most passionate activists lose their will to campaign.

Presto
Nov 22, 2002

Keep calm and Harry on.

BalloonFish posted:

I remember looking through the PayPoint instructions, noticing how expensive it was and then realising "huh, so the people who don't have enough credit to just set up an account with the provider have to pay significantly more for their electricity than the well-off...and this makes sense how?"
It's the Vimes Boots Theory all over again.

Flipswitch
Mar 30, 2010


No Dignity posted:

Not a new invention either, we had one of them when I was a kid and the practice never got a look in throughout the whole New Labour era
I've been lucky enough to have never having heard of these growing up and I bet most MPs have never heard of them, period.

It's vile.

Jose
Jul 24, 2007

Adrian Chiles is a broadcaster and writer
it would be nice if childrens book authors who's books i liked as kids weren't proving themselves to be such massive wankers now. philip pullman is really covering himself in glory at the minute

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forkboy84
Jun 13, 2012

Corgis love bread. And Puro


Jose posted:

it would be nice if childrens book authors who's books i liked as kids weren't proving themselves to be such massive wankers now. philip pullman is really covering himself in glory at the minute

The solution is to have only really read authors who died before Twitter. Philip K Dick & Douglas Adams cannot besmirch my teenage memories

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