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Jose
Jul 24, 2007

Adrian Chiles is a broadcaster and writer
look at the state of this lol

https://twitter.com/PhilipPullman/status/1488839239467171842?s=20&t=EyFwzA19QxM87pS9ArbBCQ

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Renfield
Feb 29, 2008

CoolCab posted:

and again their energy costs more. it's not just punitive in a bunch of obvious ways if you can pass a credit check and get a meter you pay less per watt too

it's the craziest and evilest thing.

And, if your behind with your bills, one of three things the energy company can do is force you to have the pre pay meter, and then deduct the debt from your top ups.

Put £10 on, actually get £7.50 in credit !

SpiritOfLenin
Apr 29, 2013

be happy :3



this poo poo is the most hosed up, vile poo poo i've ever learnt about the UK. utterly loving monstrous.

MikeCrotch
Nov 5, 2011

I AM UNJUSTIFIABLY PROUD OF MY SPAGHETTI BOLOGNESE RECIPE

YES, IT IS AN INCREDIBLY SIMPLE DISH

NO, IT IS NOT NORMAL TO USE A PEPPERAMI INSTEAD OF MINCED MEAT

YES, THERE IS TOO MUCH SALT IN MY RECIPE

NO, I WON'T STOP SHARING IT

more like BOLLOCKnese
Douglas Adams would have been a tiresome Twitter edgelord if he'd lived tbh. Same as Bill Hicks

Jose
Jul 24, 2007

Adrian Chiles is a broadcaster and writer

MikeCrotch posted:

Douglas Adams would have been a tiresome Twitter edgelord if he'd lived tbh. Same as Bill Hicks

bill hicks got banned from twitter and youtube and all the other sites op

Southpaugh
May 26, 2007

Smokey Bacon



hes just a boomer lib babes

Pistol_Pete
Sep 15, 2007

Oven Wrangler
Pullman's a classic Melt, who thinks everything would be fine, if just the right people were in office. He's got that gullibility where he takes this nonsense at face value and gets mad about it online lol.

notaspy
Mar 22, 2009

MikeCrotch posted:

Douglas Adams would have been a tiresome Twitter edgelord if he'd lived tbh. Same as Bill Hicks

Bill Hicks would 100% be going on Rogan and a gleeful member of the IDW

Tricky D
Apr 1, 2005

I love um!
Bill Hicks would be dead by now even if the cancer hadn't got him.

Desiderata
May 25, 2005
Go placidly amid the noise and haste...

I check to see this 'in context', and it does not help at all. The 'context' is nothing but 'edgy humor is funny', and it the only bit missing from this video is that it opens with "this one should be a real career ender". Yeah Jimmy, I hope it is.

Jose
Jul 24, 2007

Adrian Chiles is a broadcaster and writer

Pistol_Pete posted:

Pullman's a classic Melt, who thinks everything would be fine, if just the right people were in office. He's got that gullibility where he takes this nonsense at face value and gets mad about it online lol.

nah he got really defensive for that author who wrote a bunch of racist stuff. thats what that tweet was following on from

Jose
Jul 24, 2007

Adrian Chiles is a broadcaster and writer
bill hicks is still alive

RandolphCarter
Jul 30, 2005


SpiritOfLenin posted:

this poo poo is the most hosed up, vile poo poo i've ever learnt about the UK. utterly loving monstrous.

it genuinely made me so sad, I hope it changes but hellworld etc...

A Buttery Pastry
Sep 4, 2011

Delicious and Informative!
:3:

SpiritOfLenin posted:

this poo poo is the most hosed up, vile poo poo i've ever learnt about the UK. utterly loving monstrous.
Despite having tried to keep up with UK stuff on-off in recent years, the country still manages to surprise me time and time again. And then when I try to get a sense of just how bad, I uncover entirely new facets to the comparison between Denmark and the UK.

Like, it's kind of hard to really get my head around the UK being a far more unequal society than Denmark. Yeah, the average wage is only 72% of that in Denmark, but that's not like super bad or anything, but then you look at the median wage and it's only 44%. That inequality gap presumably continues as you move down, making the UK poor properly hosed. Doesn't really matter much that UK electricity is half as expensive as it is in Denmark, if the poorest have less than half as much money to buy it with. And that's before you introduce what's effectively a poor tax on electricity, and a 50% price increase in the works??

Desiderata posted:

I check to see this 'in context', and it does not help at all. The 'context' is nothing but 'edgy humor is funny', and it the only bit missing from this video is that it opens with "this one should be a real career ender". Yeah Jimmy, I hope it is.
I feel like the idea of this sort of joke could work on a meta level to make another joke work, but you'd need to be able to make the audience themselves come up with it, and then drop your own punchline that completely defuses the tension and makes the audience kind of embarrassed at coming up with such an awful punchline. "This one should be a real career ender" might even be a pretty decent setup for that.

gonadic io
Feb 16, 2011

>>=
https://twitter.com/AaronBastani/status/1489650390622773249

keep punching joe
Jan 22, 2006

Die Satan!
Douglas Adams would have an observer column if alive, and moan about cancel culture.

Grape
Nov 16, 2017

Happily shilling for China!

A Buttery Pastry posted:

Despite having tried to keep up with UK stuff on-off in recent years, the country still manages to surprise me time and time again. And then when I try to get a sense of just how bad, I uncover entirely new facets to the comparison between Denmark and the UK.

Like, it's kind of hard to really get my head around the UK being a far more unequal society than Denmark. Yeah, the average wage is only 72% of that in Denmark, but that's not like super bad or anything, but then you look at the median wage and it's only 44%. That inequality gap presumably continues as you move down, making the UK poor properly hosed. Doesn't really matter much that UK electricity is half as expensive as it is in Denmark, if the poorest have less than half as much money to buy it with. And that's before you introduce what's effectively a poor tax on electricity, and a 50% price increase in the works??

I feel like the idea of this sort of joke could work on a meta level to make another joke work, but you'd need to be able to make the audience themselves come up with it, and then drop your own punchline that completely defuses the tension and makes the audience kind of embarrassed at coming up with such an awful punchline. "This one should be a real career ender" might even be a pretty decent setup for that.

*detector starts beeping*

Hmm, smug Scandinavian posting, casual almost doe-eyed attitude toward severe racism.
Yeah, that's Danish.

R. Mute
Jul 27, 2011

if you're in the british cultural scene and you aren't at risk of getting shut out with every project you do/constantly at war with everyone else in the scene, you're either
a) one of those people that can date their lineage back to the normans
b) from an obscenely rich family
c) a, as you brits say, nonce
d) all of the above

and you should be shot

same goes for the media landscape

keep punching joe
Jan 22, 2006

Die Satan!

90s Cringe Rock
Nov 29, 2006
:gay:
Pratchett was great.

I'm sad but also a bit glad that Adams died decades ago. Edit: especially a few months before 9/11

90s Cringe Rock has issued a correction as of 21:29 on Feb 4, 2022

gonadic io
Feb 16, 2011

>>=
don't worry, pratchett came out as a terf on twitter after his death

this was, of course, a joke and he did no such thing

the sex ghost
Sep 6, 2009
All these by-elections reminded me that an MP got knifed to death and literally nothing came of it

RealityWarCriminal
Aug 10, 2016

:o:
you have like 600 MPs. no one is going to miss one.

Jose
Jul 24, 2007

Adrian Chiles is a broadcaster and writer
https://twitter.com/KeejayOV3/status/1489871498051473409?t=vwYt7gofzoTl3Bzfhk3KCA&s=19

namesake
Jun 19, 2006

"When I was a girl, around 12 or 13, I had a fantasy that I'd grow up to marry Captain Scarlet, but he'd be busy fighting the Mysterons so I'd cuckold him with the sexiest people I could think of - Nigel Mansell, Pat Sharp and Mr. Blobby."

the sex ghost posted:

All these by-elections reminded me that an MP got knifed to death and literally nothing came of it

An MP was assassinated with a gun by a far right fascist and the country moved to the right afterwards so be thankful of that this time around.

Jose
Jul 24, 2007

Adrian Chiles is a broadcaster and writer
https://twitter.com/kennardmatt/status/1325106873591345153?t=RfLNqfd0mszSZSIBnWuFCA&s=19

Venomous
Nov 7, 2011






why the gently caress would the Tories think it was a good idea to put Dorries up for another interview so soon after her car crash this week. Are they thinking at all

Relevant Tangent
Nov 18, 2016

Tangentially Relevant

Re: the electrical boxes is that something Labour could campaign on fixing or am I simply being impossibly naive? Also are there not laws about when the electricity can be shut off? In a lot of states they can't legally shut off the electricity in the winter.

Southpaugh
May 26, 2007

Smokey Bacon


Running on interfering with the free market? You a socialist or something?

gonadic io
Feb 16, 2011

>>=

Southpaugh posted:

Running on interfering with the free market? You a socialist or something?

it's this yeah. you see it every day with them actively privatizing everything when they were in power and even now refusing to consider about nationalising anything e.g. energy or trains EVEN when the tories are actively doing it!!

Jel Shaker
Apr 19, 2003

Venomous posted:

why the gently caress would the Tories think it was a good idea to put Dorries up for another interview so soon after her car crash this week. Are they thinking at all

at best they’re just trying to dead cat every possible table of discussion, at worst there’s no one else and no one is running the country

Venomous
Nov 7, 2011





Southpaugh posted:

Running on interfering with the free market? You a socialist or something?

after all, Macron is not only a socialist who's interfering with the French free market correcting itself, but he's also a goddamn Euro!!!!!!!

Pipski
Apr 18, 2004

Relevant Tangent posted:

Re: the electrical boxes is that something Labour could campaign on fixing or am I simply being impossibly naive? Also are there not laws about when the electricity can be shut off? In a lot of states they can't legally shut off the electricity in the winter.

They would run headlong into the public's prevailing attitude: that people with leccy boxes are shifty and untrustworthy, and if they weren't shovelling coins into the meter they'd be spending them on drugs instead.

Coin operated meters also the basis for Pulp's best lyric, of course: "I used to do the I Ching, but then I had to feed the meter; now I can't seem to see the future, but at least I can use the heater."

Jose
Jul 24, 2007

Adrian Chiles is a broadcaster and writer

Venomous posted:

why the gently caress would the Tories think it was a good idea to put Dorries up for another interview so soon after her car crash this week. Are they thinking at all

she did another interview later on today too

https://twitter.com/evolvepolitics/status/1489961830357295108?s=20&t=71lRZvgdlcXVExvQ1Zv4_Q

BalloonFish
Jun 30, 2013



Fun Shoe

Relevant Tangent posted:

Re: the electrical boxes is that something Labour could campaign on fixing or am I simply being impossibly naive? Also are there not laws about when the electricity can be shut off? In a lot of states they can't legally shut off the electricity in the winter.

As said, Labour could easily campaign on reforming the energy sector, of which getting rid of prepayment meters would be an obvious and popular part. But Labour in its current form is never going to do that and if it did it would be torn to shreds by the press and the commentating class as 'basically communism, really'.

There are rules and practices about when people's electricity can actually be shut off:

https://www.ofgem.gov.uk/information-consumers/energy-advice-households/check-prepayment-meter-rules

It's unusual for people to literally be disconnected, and it's not like if your prepaid meter runs out the lights go out, but that's only because the providers are required to give customers credit which is then added to their future costs, leading to people continually making the minimum payments on their meters (which, as mentioned, cost more per kW than people who can pay quarterly/annually through a direct debit account) and never paying off the extra.

There are ways of getting your provider to either agree to a grace period or to wipe out your debt, but they all require the customer to a) know that those options exist, b) be proactive about pursuing those options and c) be able to navigate the bureaucratic system to prove they qualify for the relief. Take a wild guess at how many people on prepaid meters have the knowledge, time and energy to do that?

That's a common thread in much of the workings of the British state - there are ways to get out of its most punishing and dehumanising aspects, but the people who need them the most are the least likely to be able to use them.

Jaeluni Asjil
Apr 18, 2018

Sorry I thought you were a landlord when I gave you your old avatar!
Energy poverty chat:

quote:


Energy price cap: Why prepayment meter customers will see biggest hike as maximum tariff soars to £2,017
Pay-as-you-go customers will see even bigger increase to bills than default households

Prepayment meter customers will see a bigger hike to their energy bills than default tariff consumers, as the cap limit soars to £2,017 – an increase of 54 per cent.

Ofgem announced these households, who are often the most vulnerable, will see a rise of £708, from the previous limit of £1,309.

Prepayment meters are usually fitted in homes that have slipped into debt with their energy supplier as a way of helping them manage their debt and budget more efficiently.

As such, these homes are often the most susceptible to price hikes and the dramatic increase in costs will have a damning effect on many of these customers.

Sadly, it is likely many more will be plunged into fuel poverty as a result of the changes.

Sue Anderson, head of media at debt charity, Stepchange, said: “The higher differential price cap for those using prepayment meters reinforces how it’s lower income households who often bear the highest costs.

“Among our clients, those who use these meters are likely to be on lower incomes and may already be struggling to make ends meet.

“Even if people do manage to meet these higher costs, they may well have to fall behind on other financial commitments to do so, by cutting back on other essentials or using credit to pay their bills.

“As well as significant, targeted support for those on low incomes, the Government should look at additional safeguards that prevent prepayment meters being installed, or risk exposing more financially vulnerable people to higher costs.”

Meanwhile, for households on default tariffs, the cap has soared to £1,971 – a £693 increase from the previous limit of £1,277.

This is the highest increase yet and comes as a time when the cost of living is squeezing families across the country.


source: https://inews.co.uk/inews-lifestyle/money/bills/energy-price-cap-prepayment-meter-customers-biggest-hike-maximum-ofgem-tariff-1440490

frankenfreak
Feb 16, 2007

I SCORED 85% ON A QUIZ ABOUT MONDAY NIGHT RAW AND ALL I GOT WAS THIS LOUSY TEXT

#bastionboogerbrigade
lmao at leaving a paper trail of your backroom deals

V. Illych L.
Apr 11, 2008

ASK ME ABOUT LUMBER

frankenfreak posted:

lmao at leaving a paper trail of your backroom deals

you just need to keep things formally deniable. if it's impossible to accuse you without making at least somewhat uncertain inferences, you get to call critics conspiracy theorists and cranks and actually this kind of thing is quite common etc

Gonzo McFee
Jun 19, 2010

Thing is this isn't really that much worse than Carr's usual shite. He's always been Bernard Manning with a pretence of irony and the thing that keeps that in place is his audience going "oooooohhhh" like "it's funny but he shouldn't be saying it tee hee."

There's no even a hint of irony to that audience. They just think it's funny to kill gypsies. If I was Jimmy I'd have gone "oh gently caress that's getting cut" when the audience started cheering but presumably Jimmy didn't see it as a problem when that poo poo happened each time he told it.

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Venomous
Nov 7, 2011





as usual, Stewart Lee demolished this lovely line of argument years ago
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K7CnMQ4L9Pc

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