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homeless snail
Mar 14, 2007

Endorph posted:

all of mori's rap songs just sound like https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E24jMmUQrHM to me
yeah. its funny when the jp branch girls try to do her raps though

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Endorph
Jul 22, 2009

homeless snail posted:

yeah. its funny when the jp branch girls try to do her raps though

frankly the hosed up part is theyre better at it. i have never seen someone love something so much, know so little about it, and be so bad at it. mori's rapping is god's cruelest mistake.

dogsicle
Oct 23, 2012

actually i think they just tap Gita for culture stuff in their non-main feed since i'm remembering her in their Matrix coverage that lead up to Resurrections releasing.

homeless snail
Mar 14, 2007

Endorph posted:

frankly the hosed up part is theyre better at it. i have never seen someone love something so much, know so little about it, and be so bad at it. mori's rapping is god's cruelest mistake.
https://twitter.com/moricalliope/status/1485152994119221248

dogsicle
Oct 23, 2012

she's really tweeting cringe on main

Waffleman_
Jan 20, 2011


I don't wanna I don't wanna I don't wanna I don't wanna!!!

Calli is fun because she's just so irredeemably lame and that's why I love her

Captain Invictus
Apr 5, 2005

Try reading some manga!


Clever Betty

Endorph posted:

to be clear im not saying youre a bad person if you listen to the waypoint podcast or anything, im just saying im allowed to dismissively make fun of them, imo. i think thats a fair compromise.
I'm not saying you are, but others definitely have for similar situations. I just don't immediately assume every follower of Thing also is aware of their dirty laundry. I thought with the comments of chud and such that something radical had happened recently

Captain Invictus
Apr 5, 2005

Try reading some manga!


Clever Betty
Calli's best song is Peanut Butter In The Bathroom Sink

Endorph
Jul 22, 2009

lets discuss calli's appropriation of black culture *everyone in this thread lines up and punches me in the face*

Stairmaster
Jun 8, 2012

Mori is the spirit of anime club made manifest

homeless snail
Mar 14, 2007

I like spiral tones. thats a good song but its also, like 80% a rikka song. calli's verses aren't bad though
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5HWCMh1ZmzE

symbolic
Nov 2, 2014

:gas:

Stairmaster
Jun 8, 2012

This is all namtabs fault

symbolic
Nov 2, 2014

removing a Karen for every grievance

kirbysuperstar
Nov 11, 2012

Let the fools who stand before us be destroyed by the power you and I possess.
Cali's songs are fun, Suisei singing Red was pretty good, the 9S forcefemfic thing was probably the weirdest waypoint ever got. i hope.

Captain Baal
Oct 23, 2010

I Failed At Anime 2022
mods bad

The Colonel
Jun 8, 2013


I commute by bike!
bods mad

Patware
Jan 3, 2005

kirbysuperstar posted:

9S forcefemfic

making a face like a dog baffled by and angry at a citrus fruit rn

DoubleDonut
Oct 22, 2010


Fallen Rib
dads bod

Endorph
Jul 22, 2009

Patware posted:

making a face like a dog baffled by and angry at a citrus fruit rn
dont worry: its NOT a fetish thing. i promise

DoubleDonut
Oct 22, 2010


Fallen Rib
I heard about waypoint publishing that fic for some reason but I didn't realize it was supposed to be 9S being punished for being a sexist or whatever

it's been a while since I've played Nier Automata but I don't remember that really coming up unless you count the sex/death interplay that is a major theme of the game anyway

Endorph
Jul 22, 2009

its not a thing at all, the author was just projecting

Motto
Aug 3, 2013

waypoint published a decent amount of fanfic as some sort of Exploration of Fandom or w/e, but I'm pretty sure all of it was wacky crossover pileup stuff, which is the most stereotypical image of fanfiction you could possibly project and is pretty indicative of their whole attitude as far I was aware. esp since iirc the editor defended publishing the 9s fic by saying he hadn't read it beforehand, lol

RareAcumen
Dec 28, 2012




Motto posted:

waypoint published a decent amount of fanfic as some sort of Exploration of Fandom or w/e, but I'm pretty sure all of it was wacky crossover pileup stuff, which is the most stereotypical image of fanfiction you could possibly project and is pretty indicative of their whole attitude as far I was aware.

Being genuinely sincere here, what would've been better examples of fanfiction to post instead?

DoubleDonut
Oct 22, 2010


Fallen Rib
I'm sure there are insightful things to say about fanfic but for some reason publishing them sight unseen doesn't seem like the way to achieve that

lih
May 15, 2013

Just a friendly reminder of what it looks like.

We'll do punctuation later.
i think most of the dumbest people at waypoint responsible for all those controversies have left now so it's probably at least a little less stupid than it used to be

nrook
Jun 25, 2009

Just let yourself become a worthless person!
I think you would genuinely need a writer on the fanfic beat to cover it well; someone embedded within a variety of different fanfic communities. Like what Gene Park does but for fanfiction instead of video games.

dogsicle
Oct 23, 2012

but Patrick is still there

Endorph
Jul 22, 2009

RareAcumen posted:

Being genuinely sincere here, what would've been better examples of fanfiction to post instead?
one that isnt softcore fetish pornography? stuff that was sincerely written instead of written for the purpose of making waypoint seem Quirky?

kirbysuperstar
Nov 11, 2012

Let the fools who stand before us be destroyed by the power you and I possess.

RareAcumen
Dec 28, 2012




Endorph posted:

one that isnt softcore fetish pornography? stuff that was sincerely written instead of written for the purpose of making waypoint seem Quirky?

Well yes, if you want anyone to write off anything just show that people are writing/drawing/voice acting/animating porn about it. I was just asking what would be a good example of fanart since 'wacky crossover stuff' isn't it.

Like, is it just making everyone a dad and seriously trying to imagine how Alucard, Trevor and Sypha would handle raising a baby or just doing a Mandalorian? Another Superman deconstruction for every possible superhero ever? I'm not someone that reads fanfiction so I don't know what actual quality looks like.

RareAcumen fucked around with this message at 08:55 on Feb 5, 2022

Everything Burrito
Jun 2, 2011

I Failed At Anime 2022
???
generally it looks like any other kind of fiction they're just using other people's characters.

Endorph
Jul 22, 2009

RareAcumen posted:

Well yes, if you want anyone to write off anything just show that people are writing/drawing/voice acting/animating porn about it. I was just asking what would be a good example of fanart since 'wacky crossover stuff' isn't it.

Like, is it just making everyone a dad and seriously trying to imagine how Alucard, Trevor and Sypha would handle raising a baby or just doing a Mandalorian? Another Superman deconstruction for every possible superhero ever? I'm not someone that reads fanfiction so I don't know what actual quality looks like.
i

i mean that stuff exists but no that isnt what fanfiction is at all. im also not saying porn fanfic existing is bad, just that you shouldnt put it on your mainstream gaming site with no warning.

fanfiction is like, anything. there's stuff that's just a single romantic scene or series of events between a couple characters, there's stuff that's alternate retellings of the source material with different circumstances (what if this character died, what if this character's evil plan succeeded, what if two characters swapped places), etc. Comedy or over the top crossover stuff exists but it is a fairly small minority of the content that exists. Most of it's like, just sincere explorations of one singular source material and its characters and setting. Fanfic is useful because it lets you A) skip past stuff like character setup or worldbuilding and just get to the stuff you want to do, B) have an audience that comes in with extremely obvious expectations that you can either play with or lean into, and C) guarantees you at least some audience.

Plus obviously if you like something there's a desire to explore it in various ways.

Endorph fucked around with this message at 09:17 on Feb 5, 2022

Endorph
Jul 22, 2009

this is one of my favorite dialogue bits in anything ive ever read and its from a singular fan doujin lol

cheetah7071
Oct 20, 2010

honk honk
College Slice
fanfiction can have a lot of power because you can rely on your audience knowing the characters to skip straight to the stuff you actually want to say, instead of spending thousands of words laying the groundwork

it can also be crap, but, what isn't that true of

roobots
Dec 4, 2006

You can only think of Halloween until you die.
I used to be an avid Waypoint listener but between the Red Strings Club stuff and their Eva deep dive, I got tired of them being so into their own opinions that they consistently refuse to change their mind or re-evaluate when faced with better understanding and/for facts. The Eva podcast is wild because, for a bunch of people who have careers that require critical analysis, they consistently ignore obvious things for their own projected opinions. Throughout the whole thing they consider stuff through a very North American/Western lens and don't even attempt to understand that the meaning or symbolism might be different because it is a Japanese work. I don't remember the exact example but they had some wild thoughts about Japanese bath sharing and went on and on about Anno slut shaming Misato because of her interiority scenes in the last episodes of the TV series.

I still read and listen to critique of things I like but I have found I enjoy it far more as an additive after I've experienced the work myself.

Patware
Jan 3, 2005

let's make We Hate Movies watch more anime

SyntheticPolygon
Dec 20, 2013

RareAcumen posted:

Being genuinely sincere here, what would've been better examples of fanfiction to post instead?

Touhou doujins.

SyntheticPolygon
Dec 20, 2013

Like genuinely totally a failure if this website was doing a selection of fanfiction for "an explanation of fandom" or something and didn't put a touhou doujin in there.

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Saagonsa
Dec 29, 2012

Endorph posted:

frankly the hosed up part is theyre better at it. i have never seen someone love something so much, know so little about it, and be so bad at it. mori's rapping is god's cruelest mistake.

hmm

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