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GhostofJohnMuir posted:https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Annexation_of_Crimea_by_the_Russian_Federation What does this have to do with the misinformation promulgated that an invasion was taking place today?
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mawarannahr posted:What does this have to do with the misinformation promulgated that an invasion was taking place today? There's been an invasion going on since 2014.
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Lmao, imagine being so america-brained you completely lose sense of proportion or scale and every fart of an american Is The Most Important Thing on the planet, as opposed to, you know, things happening on the ground. Things not increasing chance of war: such as army build up, cyber attacks against infrastructure, an actual loving war, direct threats Things increasing chance of war: article by Bloomberg (America!!! number one-- in being the worst!!!) I think some of these people are conceptually not able to grasp a scenario where the US is not the main character Sekenr posted:I don't think this was given enough attention with goons who not unlike Putin love geostrategizing and are bored with Russia internal affairs. https://mobile.twitter.com/RFERL/status/1489690228285706241 https://mobile.twitter.com/KevinRothrock/status/1487132781524230145 The member of parliament mentioned is also the one who managed the murder of Nemtsov So to recap: Ukraine: free elections, free press, tons of political and LGBT refugees from Russia and Belarus Russia: prison for insulting the feelings of Christians, torture and death for insulting Kadyrov, death squads or exile for insulting Putin Smart American politics understander: The evil Nazi state is the first one, be sure not to confuse them
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Vincent Van Goatse posted:There's been an invasion going on since 2014. OK. How does this pertain to todays story and how does it relate to the retraction? It reads more like you’re trying to score a burn. Somaen posted:I think some of these people are conceptually not able to grasp a scenario where the US is not the main character Who is some? Why are you avoiding being specific? I think my opinion of the US influence is valid. It’s the most powerful country in the world and Ukraine’s president has complained about it. quote:Smart American politics understander: The evil Nazi state is the first one, be sure not to confuse them (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST) mawarannahr fucked around with this message at 09:06 on Feb 5, 2022 |
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Feb 5, 2022 09:01
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mawarannahr posted:What does this have to do with the misinformation promulgated that an invasion was taking place today? you know that's a good one, i'm going to keep this in my back pocket. if the us starts massing troops on the venezuelan/columbia border and i hear some suggest that america's history of invading socialist countries in latin america suggests we might be out to topple maduro, i'm going to pull out this line and have a good laugh
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GhostofJohnMuir posted:you know that's a good one, i'm going to keep this in my back pocket. if the us starts massing troops on the venezuelan/columbia border and i hear some suggest that america's history of invading socialist countries in latin america suggests we might be out to topple maduro, i'm going to pull out this line and have a good laugh Could you just say what you mean?
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So apparently some people think Russia and China are so close that China would help Russia if it attacked Ukraine? I'm just watching the Olympic opening ceremony on NBC and this guy they brought in as a "China expert" suggested as such. I can't confirm or deny if he smoked a fat one before the interview because that sounds very unrealistic and might as well be FUD. E: also sorry for barging in the thread with my dumb questions E1: Somaen posted:There was a scoop from the Washington post I think saying that Xi told Putin not to start a war during the Olympics. I thought as much; why would China let Russia distract from their games, yet alone lend a hand in the conflict. America Inc. fucked around with this message at 10:10 on Feb 5, 2022 |
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If anyone wants to share what they think is going on, by the way, please share be so we can discuss instead of snidely attacking one another’s character.
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mawarannahr posted:Could you just say what you mean? If you want to claim that some short-lived headline fuckup at the US version of Bloomberg terminal is going to convince the Russian government to invade all the way to the Dnieper then you have to explain your though process here cause that's probably too wild for most people who are not high
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mawarannahr posted:
Yes you are who brought up a lovely Bloomberg article that was retracted, at this point there is no one else doing that? Very bad sign if you need this pointed out. You are the person I am referring to without a sense of scale and apparently think Bloomberg is the voice of the US
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Feb 5, 2022 09:36
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mawarannahr posted:Could you just say what you mean? He's saying that some intern at Bloomberg fatfingering their cms and publishing a placeholder article is not part of some nefarious US propaganda effort to intentionally force a war between Russia and Ukraine.
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It is going to absolutely blow your mind when you find out when the vast majority of obituaries get written.
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Alchenar posted:It is going to absolutely blow your mind when you find out when the vast majority of obituaries get written.
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GABA ghoul posted:If you want to claim that some short-lived headline fuckup at the US version of Bloomberg terminal is going to convince the Russian government to invade all the way to the Dnieper then you have to explain your though process here cause that's probably too wild for most people who are not high Please point out where I said this, because I think you’re making things up and should stop. PS, I think I explained my thought process pretty explicitly. Read a few post up, will you? A Buttery Pastry posted:Nobel's obituary was published prematurely to trick him into setting up the Nobel Prize, which would be used to boost the prestige of America and ensure its eventual hegemony. What’s the point of this and how does it contribute to the discussion ? mawarannahr fucked around with this message at 10:36 on Feb 5, 2022 |
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Feb 5, 2022 10:33
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This is some impressive loving sealioning.
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Mr. Sunshine posted:This is some impressive loving sealioning. I’m discussing in good faith, I assure you. Why don’t you drop the sarcasm?
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Are you going to contribute anything other than an endless circular stream of tedious rhetorical questions that serve no purpose? If not, I'd advise leaving.
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steinrokkan posted:Are you going to contribute anything other than an endless circular stream of tedious rhetorical questions that serve no purpose? If not, I'd advise leaving. No, I want to talk about Ukraine, Russia, the impact of media, propaganda, NATO, and how these interact. Maybe you should leave? Again, here’s something I would find helpful: how should you contextualize western media and how its reaction develops and how that might impact things a little bit? mawarannahr fucked around with this message at 10:50 on Feb 5, 2022 |
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Mr. Sunshine posted:This is some impressive loving sealioning. Yeah, and yet people are still falling for it. You'd think after the 5th or 6th time, people would notice the gimmick, but noooo... Anyway, just put that guy on ignore and move on.
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mawarannahr posted:I’m discussing in good faith, I assure you. Why don’t you drop the sarcasm? Sounds like something a sealion would say. (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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mawarannahr posted:No, I want to talk about Ukraine, Russia, the impact of media, propaganda, NATO, and how these interact. Maybe you should leave? No you called someone at Bloomburg fatfingering a button 'misinformation by the US government'. This is why everyone is dunking on you. e: Sealions are found on the coasts of Japan and Korea, western North America from southern Canada to mid-Mexico, and the Galápagos Islands. Not Eastern Europe.
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Mr. Sunshine posted:Sounds like something a sealion would say. That’s fantastic. Do you have any thoughts about the situation or do you just want to post about my posting?
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It's not great that some editor at Bloomberg hosed up and pressed publish on a wrong article in their CMS, and Russian state propaganda will definitely have a field day with it, but it won't have any meaningful impact on the issue.
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Alchenar posted:No you called someone at Bloomburg fatfingering a button 'misinformation by the US government'. This is why everyone is dunking on you. Please point out where I said this. quote:What does this have to do with the misinformation promulgated that an invasion was taking place today? I said Bloomberg is promulgating misinformation.
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Paladinus posted:It's not great that some editor at Bloomberg hosed up and pressed publish on a wrong article in their CMS, and Russian state propaganda will definitely have a field day with it, but it won't have any meaningful impact on the issue. Thank you for the first response with any thought to the matter. I appreciate it. Good night for now.
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mawarannahr posted:Please point out where I said this. --->>> mawarannahr posted:I don’t think there’s a conspiracy. I think the actions and statements that preceded this event made it much likelier to happen and contributed to the circumstances whereby it emerged. The government of the US seems motivated to increase tensions, and this is what I think is catalyzing a similar media process as the lead up to the 2003 Iraq invasion. That’s just my hypothesis, for which I have no strong evidence but a personal conviction based on things that have happened before. This is an extremely reaching interpretation trying to blame the US government for a singular media error, and to imply their aggressive intent vis-a-vis Russia in the process, which is eye-brow-raising enough to suggest it's mostly about confirming previous biases, and additionally it's posted in very bad taste on account of comparing the situation around Iraq in 2003 to Ukraine post-2014 where you must only look up to see Russia taking lethal military actions against the country on a daily basis, even if it is not currently taking further land as we speak. And to top it off, when somebody tries to show why that comparison is terrible by demonstrating the toll the very real war on Ukraine has taken already, you respond flippantly by calling their response irrelevant. steinrokkan fucked around with this message at 11:09 on Feb 5, 2022 |
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quarantinethepast posted:So apparently some people think Russia and China are so close that China would help Russia if it attacked Ukraine? I'm just watching the Olympic opening ceremony on NBC and this guy they brought in as a "China expert" suggested as such. I can't confirm or deny if he smoked a fat one before the interview because that sounds very unrealistic and might as well be FUD. Also note that Ukraine is China's ~20% source of grain imports. Disrupting that would not be good so I think either Xi will not approve or ask something else in return
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China absolutely does not care about Russia beyond liking the narrative that small countries joining defensive alliances against a regional threat is bad, and that anything it does to draw US attention from the Pacific to the Atlantic is good.
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Alchenar posted:China absolutely does not care about Russia beyond liking the narrative that small countries joining defensive alliances against a regional threat is bad, and that anything it does to draw US attention from the Pacific to the Atlantic is good. China cares a lot about Russia in the sense that they require substantial energy imports for the next few decades before their domestic supply exceeds demand, and imports using a pipeline from Russia cannot be interdicted by a foreign navy. Other than that, they don't give a poo poo. But this does mean that for the short and medium term, their interests align and you can expect China to never do something that would threaten energy imports from Russia.
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Like, "western media should dial down the war hysteria, just look at this embarrassing fuckup" is a perfectly legit take re the Bloomberg thing. Jumping from that to "and this is yet another example of the State Department trying to Manufacture Consent™" is just absolute brainworms.
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Mr. Sunshine posted:Like, "western media should dial down the war hysteria, just look at this embarrassing fuckup" is a perfectly legit take re the Bloomberg thing. Not really, since, as is well-known, major news outlets prepare template stories for major events that are either inevitable (obituaries) or very likely (Olympics opening ceremony, Russia invades Ukraine) so they only have to fill in the details they can't know beforehand once it actually happens. That's not hysteria, it's simple preparation.
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Tuna-Fish posted:China cares a lot about Russia in the sense that they require substantial energy imports for the next few decades before their domestic supply exceeds demand, and imports using a pipeline from Russia cannot be interdicted by a foreign navy. There's also something to be said for the second or third strongest country in the world being dependent on you economically. The more Russia fucks its relations with the West (and the more the West backs Russia into a corner), the closer they get pushed together. Russian military technology was important to China for a long time too, though I think that's far less true today than it used to be. In any case, China absolutely is in the far stronger position as the rising and less isolated power, so while they enjoy the strategic benefit of partnership with Russia and balancing against the US (as they aligned with the US against the Soviets during the latter part of the Cold War), they can also afford to give Russia lovely terms for the partnership, so they can give half-hearted support for Russian policy objectives and balance that against other concerns.
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Let's not. quarantinethepast posted:So apparently some people think Russia and China are so close that China would help Russia if it attacked Ukraine? I'm just watching the Olympic opening ceremony on NBC and this guy they brought in as a "China expert" suggested as such. I can't confirm or deny if he smoked a fat one before the interview because that sounds very unrealistic and might as well be FUD. Utterly farcical if you ask me. China may issue token economy sanctions against someone, but even that would be a stretch, I feel. What they can do is gently caress around UN Security Council, but their rhetoric there does align with Russia frequently enough anyway. mawarannahr posted:I’m discussing in good faith, I assure you. Why don’t you drop the sarcasm? Why don't you clearly restate your positions on the questions you would like to discuss in the thread, without snidely taking like a dozen posts to add nothing to the conversation?
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steinrokkan posted:--->>> I think they call it American exceptionalism. Edit: While I'm here (usually lurking cause curious)... Can anyone get me in the loop for the Olivier's thing? If that's too much of a derail then nvm. cinci zoo sniper posted:Olivier is a kind of salad. Russian salad, got it. Thanks! Gros Tarla fucked around with this message at 15:16 on Feb 5, 2022 |
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Olivier is a kind of salad.
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cinci zoo sniper posted:Olivier is a kind of salad. 
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cinci zoo sniper posted:Olivier is a kind of salad. A bit more context (and a lot of tangents): https://www.slavadoesamerica.com/pardon-our-french-a-guide-to-russian-food-part-2/
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OddObserver posted:A bit more context (and a lot of tangents): Doesn’t even mention julienne, smh. Although I wonder how common that is in other ex-USSR countries. Here, julienne on the menu is a hallmark of a classy Russian restaurant.
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cinci zoo sniper posted:Doesn’t even mention julienne, smh. Although I wonder how common that is in other ex-USSR countries. Here, julienne on the menu is a hallmark of a classy Russian restaurant. If we're talking baked chicken with mushrooms and cheese, it's definitely a thing in Russia, Belarus, and Ukraine.
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Paladinus posted:If we're talking baked chicken with mushrooms and cheese, it's definitely a thing in Russia, Belarus, and Ukraine. Yep, that’s the one. Typically served in a small pot right out of the oven, as an entree.
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