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DesertIslandHermit posted:It's either the cops are okay with it or they're suddenly bitches about their job and I dunno which one is worse. It's both lol, also more than a few 'friends and family' in the chud crowd too
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God this is such a D&D length post but I am actually in the company required for comprehension because it's Canadians instead of Americans. Now that I've rested, this is more what I was driving at last night in deeper dish: We're truly post-scarcity, just shambling off the old debts of decades of inefficiency/capitalism, (albeit slowly) with our underlying subconscious thought process as accelerationism towards change. The current climate is a historically bizarre, very lazy but sociable and comparatively relaxed pot-stirring via the internet and other media. Everyone witty, cool, and smart is wisely aloof but more than happy to stick it to anything that looks like a potential fulcrum. This is why all the "fun" is being had here, by a mishmash of jaded motherfuckers who recognize they want a brighter future, but also that our previous system was poorly prepared for anything resembling a promise of Utopia. Revolution is a weird mixed bag now: There's armed insurgent conflicts which depose leadership, but they're not really necessary except to divest a nation of a power-abuser, but this isn't so necessary where there's a decently built system despite power fantasy. We are weathering just fine behind our posting war rigs living our lives, BUT (IMO this is where poo poo hits the fan inefficiently right now...) people still feel their battle and party lines are drawn politically, but in reality it's more along internal concepts of allied, friendly intelligensia where instead the raw fundamental force of change is required. Like we still feel a necessity to grind out a fight and it's where we can rationalize breaks as we become adjusted to post-scarcity. I feel this is most strongly evident in how all sides are uniformly razzable and everyone is even awkwardly cogent of this fact but still the slapfighting is adrenalizing and fun. Rights and rewards with no sacrifice of extra responsibilities, is extremely possible here in post-scarcity, and I view this tumult and grind as unnecessary because I feel we already have the tools to do so, we're just kind of distracted by the past. We fail to cooperate towards such a future in this way. Thus, MY big deal, personally, is that "sides" are kind of a misnomer at this point (I am easily mistaken on "all sides," sorry, this is very poorly discussed) because everyone deep down values and wants economic and social safety, and nihilism is just an effect of feeling like we had to give up and submit to the status quo. So it goes, but we're very capable of overcoming that. "Neoliberals" only raises my hackles so bad because it's indicative of this artifact thinking, an easy slur when something "reform" goes wrong, borne of Potsdam-derived heated bouts of imperialistic stupidity between two worlds with other nations being tread underfoot and exploited to each's advantage. De-labeling will be required so we can actually attain whatever new level we're going for. To me, "liberal" SHOULD be a good thing, especially because its dictionary definition is heap-me-plenty of benefits, I do truly feel we miss something when we deride it in the contemporary sense, AND in doing so we accidentally force ourselves into a mixed bag of political ire rather than its proper shining, golden definition of plethora/cornucopia.
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CrcleSqreSanchz posted:Most people are comfy in their lives and don't want to risk anything. They just want other people to take care of it for them, and usually they want the police to do that. They won't in this case, but the thought of having to get out there, do something and risk something is too much. When it goes away they'll try to get back to their lives and pretend that nothing happened. "Whew, it's over now" also the police would stop counter movements.
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Waffle House posted:To me, "liberal" SHOULD be a good thing, especially because its dictionary definition is heap-me-plenty of benefits, I do truly feel we miss something when we deride it in the contemporary sense, AND in doing so we accidentally force ourselves into a mixed bag of political ire rather than its proper shining, golden definition of plethora/cornucopia. We stand for active ideological struggle because it is the weapon for ensuring unity within the Party and the revolutionary organizations in the interest of our fight. Every Communist and revolutionary should take up this weapon. But liberalism rejects ideological struggle and stands for unprincipled peace, thus giving rise to a decadent, Philistine attitude and bringing about political degeneration in certain units and individuals in the Party and the revolutionary organizations. Liberalism manifests itself in various ways. To let things slide for the sake of peace and friendship when a person has clearly gone wrong, and refrain from principled argument because he is an old acquaintance, a fellow townsman, a schoolmate, a close friend, a loved one, an old colleague or old subordinate. Or to touch on the matter lightly instead of going into it thoroughly, so as to keep on good terms. The result is that both the organization and the individual are harmed. This is one type of liberalism. To indulge in irresponsible criticism in private instead of actively putting forward one's suggestions to the organization. To say nothing to people to their faces but to gossip behind their backs, or to say nothing at a meeting but to gossip afterwards. To show no regard at all for the principles of collective life but to follow one's own inclination. This is a second type. To let things drift if they do not affect one personally; to say as little as possible while knowing perfectly well what is wrong, to be worldly wise and play safe and seek only to avoid blame. This is a third type. Not to obey orders but to give pride of place to one's own opinions. To demand special consideration from the organization but to reject its discipline. This is a fourth type. To indulge in personal attacks, pick quarrels, vent personal spite or seek revenge instead of entering into an argument and struggling against incorrect views for the sake of unity or progress or getting the work done properly. This is a fifth type. To hear incorrect views without rebutting them and even to hear counter-revolutionary remarks without reporting them, but instead to take them calmly as if nothing had happened. This is a sixth type. To be among the masses and fail to conduct propaganda and agitation or speak at meetings or conduct investigations and inquiries among them, and instead to be indifferent to them and show no concern for their well-being, forgetting that one is a Communist and behaving as if one were an ordinary non-Communist. This is a seventh type. To see someone harming the interests of the masses and yet not feel indignant, or dissuade or stop him or reason with him, but to allow him to continue. This is an eighth type. To work half-heartedly without a definite plan or direction; to work perfunctorily and muddle along--"So long as one remains a monk, one goes on tolling the bell." This is a ninth type. To regard oneself as having rendered great service to the revolution, to pride oneself on being a veteran, to disdain minor assignments while being quite unequal to major tasks, to be slipshod in work and slack in study. This is a tenth type. To be aware of one's own mistakes and yet make no attempt to correct them, taking a liberal attitude towards oneself. This is an eleventh type. We could name more. But these eleven are the principal types. They are all manifestations of liberalism. Liberalism is extremely harmful in a revolutionary collective. It is a corrosive which eats away unity, undermines cohesion, causes apathy and creates dissension. It robs the revolutionary ranks of compact organization and strict discipline, prevents policies from being carried through and alienates the Party organizations from the masses which the Party leads. It is an extremely bad tendency. Liberalism stems from petty-bourgeois selfishness, it places personal interests first and the interests of the revolution second, and this gives rise to ideological, political and organizational liberalism. People who are liberals look upon the principles of Marxism as abstract dogma. They approve of Marxism, but are not prepared to practice it or to practice it in full; they are not prepared to replace their liberalism by Marxism. These people have their Marxism, but they have their liberalism as well--they talk Marxism but practice liberalism; they apply Marxism to others but liberalism to themselves. They keep both kinds of goods in stock and find a use for each. This is how the minds of certain people work. Liberalism is a manifestation of opportunism and conflicts fundamentally with Marxism. It is negative and objectively has the effect of helping the enemy; that is why the enemy welcomes its preservation in our midst. Such being its nature, there should be no place for it in the ranks of the revolution. We must use Marxism, which is positive in spirit, to overcome liberalism, which is negative. A Communist should have largeness of mind and he should be staunch and active, looking upon the interests of the revolution as his very life and subordinating his personal interests to those of the revolution; always and everywhere he should adhere to principle and wage a tireless struggle against all incorrect ideas and actions, so as to consolidate the collective life of the Party and strengthen the ties between the Party and the masses; he should be more concerned about the Party and the masses than about any private person, and more concerned about others than about himself. Only thus can he be considered a Communist. All loyal, honest, active and upright Communists must unite to oppose the liberal tendencies shown by certain people among us, and set them on the right path. This is one of the tasks on our ideological front.
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Frosted Flake posted:OPS recruits locally, and by that I mean the suburbs, so finding sympathy for western dickheads is a bit of a stretch, and RCMP A & O Divisions are supposed to be the best of the best, geared for Federal Policing unlike the places where RCMP are beat cops, so Im unsure about that either. OPP hasnt been out, and PPS is trained through RCMP so I cant speak to their service culture. Oh there are shittons of assholes from suburban ottawa and all around rural ontario at these protests. I would bet if you took an accurate census most of them are not from outside of ontario.
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lmao forever @ username/post content Thank you, you are exactly my case in point. That poo poo is all sooooo old. Russia is beyond Marxism.
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Waffle House posted:lmao forever @ username/post content The mods gave me this name randomly in a "post itt to have us give you a random name change" kinda thread
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A Russian troll farm posted:The mods gave me this name randomly in a "post itt to have us give you a random name change" kinda thread You wear it well tho
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Futanari Damacy posted:Traffic laws are strangely underenforced, the only time you see people get pulled over is when they're getting their sleeper cell orders Are TPS still refusing to enforce traffic laws in their weird work to rule bullshit or did that stop with COVID?
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Isizzlehorn posted:Lmaooo the response is almost Pavlovian
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Waffle House posted:We're truly post-scarcity, just shambling off the old debts of decades of inefficiency/capitalism, (albeit slowly) with our underlying subconscious thought process as accelerationism towards change. what does this mean?
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I went uptown Waterloo to see what kind of gathering has formed. Bunch of idiots standing around yelling freedom. There's a line of cops infront of these chuckle fucks. Also cars honking and circling the area.  
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Saalkin posted:I went uptown Waterloo to see what kind of gathering has formed. Bunch of idiots standing around yelling freedom. Wow! Two neighboring police states!
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RBC posted:Watching this wondering.. where are all the police? the cops are useless, that is probably preventing violence though
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Waffle House posted:lmao forever @ username/post content Pretty sure that's Mao.
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RealityWarCriminal posted:Please note which side the police are on Those bicycles could be used as weapons at any moment. Unlike a truck, which has never been used to hurt anybody ever.
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Waffle House posted:You wear it well tho Anyway, liberalism has long since ceased to be a progressive force. I'm not talking about the popular definition of liberalism, because the popular definition of liberalism is incorrect - it's a smokescreen. I'm talking about the historical and philosophical definition of liberalism. At its inception in the enlightenment era, liberalism was the philosophical view that the best possible society would result if the old system of monarchial rule and aristocratic privilege were replaced with a more-or-less democratic system in which all citizens were equal under the law. At that time, liberalism was a progressive force. But as liberalism transformed from a revolutionary ideology to the ruling ideology, its flaws were revealed. All citizens might have been formally equal under the law, but the system of private property which liberalism upheld meant that some of these equal citizens could become much more powerful than others through the accumulation of wealth. This not only meant that the ostensibly democratic political system became corrupted, but at a much more basic level, for the people working 16 hours a day in a dark satanic mill for barely enough money to survive, it meant that the very concept of liberal freedom was a cruel joke. This led to the formation of competing ideologies that took into account the tyranny of the economic system rather than just the political system - namely socialism and communism - and the associated political and workplace struggles against liberalism. These countervailing forces caused liberalism to adapt in order to secure itself. Small changes could be worked into the system in order to stabilize it against its own excesses without changing the overall structure of the economy. The 8 hour workday, minimum wage laws, child labour laws, and so-on. This was progressive liberalism, which is presumably what you're thinking of when you talk about liberalism as a positive thing. It is contrasted with conservatism, which is really conservative liberalism; or with libertarianism, which is fundamentalist liberalism, but they are all forms of liberalism and all uphold the system of private ownership. That system of private ownership (Capitalism) is the true central tenet of liberalism. Liberalism is the ideology of Capital. Returning to the historical development of liberalism, here we reach neoliberalism. By the mid-1970s, progressive liberalism had overextended itself. Wages had risen to the point that capitalism had entered a crisis of profitability. At the same time, the Soviet Union was also stagnating, and the existence of socialism as an alternative to liberalism was a major contributor to the gains of progressive liberalism. Neoliberalism was a reaction to these factors - a counteroffensive against a working class that had grown too big for its britches. Whether a "conservative" or "liberal" government was in power didnt matter. The social welfare state was dismantled, the minimum wage was allowed to stagnate beneath the inflation rate, and the gains of progressive liberalism were slowly rolled back. Discipline was reimposed on the labour force. Factories were moved to cheaper jurisdictions in the third world, and the economy in the first world became increasingly financialized. The tax burden was shifted from the rich to the working class, and inequality grew exponentially. The neoliberal era began roughly 45 years ago, and we are today still deep within it, with even the mildest reforms being violently opposed. So what is neoliberalism? It is the synthesis of conservative liberalism and progressive liberalism. It recognizes a role for the state in regulating the market, but instead of the relatively rigorous reforms of the past, it prefers minimally invasive interventions. Market failures are to be gently corrected through monetary policy, or tax credits (ideally means tested tax credits), but overall the market is to be left alone. If you look today at any number of crises, from the covid response to especially the global warming response, it becomes evident that neoliberalism is leading us to our doom. Climate Change, a global crisis and threat to the very bedrock upon which civilization is built, is responded to with a carbon tax. A demand-side disincentive to burning fossil fuels. Or a tax credit for energy efficient windows, another minimally invasive demand-side incentive. The liberal order is both unwilling and unable to look further than the end of its nose and realize that small, market-based interventions are nowhere near sufficient to deal with the problems we face. Thus, we're in a death spiral. Ok, you're up to speed now for the most part. I've oversimplified in some cases for the sake of brevity, but i think broadly this should be a pretty good explainer. Ansar Santa has issued a correction as of 22:17 on Feb 5, 2022 |
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Karach posted:what does this mean? The internet made us faster as a human species and we're using it as the tool for change, and, however crudely, because we are all in communication for it, we're all pushing at once now. As usual, too, we're overcoming both strife and with strife to make the world better. It's no longer tribal, but that's where we're new to it; we can all see each other at once, which did not really occur so much before its mass proliferation. I am ignoring broadly systems of thought and politick because I love to see things as root issues so I can table them easier for interpretation, not just mine but everyone's. Like the actual objective nuance of a problem rather than a whom
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RealityWarCriminal posted:unpopular opinion but if we're not going to do any of the things that actually work at stopping covid (lockdown, wfh, vaccine mandates, quarantine of travelers, paying people to stay home), we might as well give up and let hospitals be overrun. permanent masking as restaurants are open is a failure state. yeah. its a gamble but we clearly arent prepared as a people to actually contain it
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RealityWarCriminal posted:like points of sales all have those plexiglass shields now, but it can be hard to hear through them so everyone peeks around the side. absolute theatre. those also never worked because its airborn. we could get rid of them all, it was never the right solution
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bvj191jgl7bBsqF5m posted:https://twitter.com/citynewscalgary/status/1489696308688568320?t=fcUc861_7I7J-Tu1_Q5oLw&s=19 yeah the park they gather in ever Saturday is right across the street from that place. Their weekly march is now underway. I was hoping they would be part of the 16th Ave truck convoy but  my hopes and dreams. I now stay in all Saturday after having almost gotten into a fight with one of these nuts two weeks ago
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Ron Paul Atreides posted:those also never worked because its airborn. we could get rid of them all, it was never the right solution and most of the provincial governments are treating this like its droplet born, not aerosolized. Its infuriating
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Jordan7hm posted:the cops are useless, that is probably preventing violence though Lol the cops are the violence
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Karach posted:what does this mean? it means you're going to get another nonsensical rambling stream of consciousness that fills a page while saying absolutely nothing RealityWarCriminal posted:unpopular opinion but if we're not going to do any of the things that actually work at stopping covid (lockdown, wfh, vaccine mandates, quarantine of travelers, paying people to stay home), we might as well give up and let hospitals be overrun. permanent masking as restaurants are open is a failure state. we accepted endemic covid quite a while ago, it's been pure theatre ever since.
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