mahershalalhashbaz posted:

everybody has these reasons for arguing with me like "i live in the middle of a city and it would be illegal to plant it on any dirt within ten miles". so plant it secretly in a park! do i have to figure everything out for you people

Hubbert posted:

don't worry everyone, i've had top goon minds over the years reassure me that peak oil isn't real, so don't worry about it

if you're some kind of demented doombrain, however, this is a good article abstract that gets right at the crux of the issue. this also ties into my earlier post / image on how economies actually work.

Perry Mason Jar posted:

The declining EROI of traditional fossil fuel energy sources and the effect of that on the world economy are likely to result in a myriad of consequences, most of which will not be perceived as good.
the effect of that on the world economy are likely to result in a myriad of consequences, most of which will not be perceived as good.
a myriad of consequences, most of which will not be perceived as good.
most of which will not be perceived as good.
will not be perceived as good.
perceived as good.
good.

Paradoxish posted:

everyone driving a vehicle at all times should go to jail for attempted murder

Alobar posted:

i didn't think that the thread about laughing about literal millions and possibly billions of humans dying from climate change would draw the line at "hey, don't drive fast" as if anything on this stupid loving planet matters

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and i didn't think this would go on for so many pages but really gently caress slow drivers especially the ones that intentionally slow down other traffic and i'm not sorry for anything i said

bi crimes posted:

much like our biosphere, cars are killing this thread too

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Mass motoring effects an absolute triumph of bourgeois ideology on the level of daily life. It gives and supports in everyone the illusion that each individual can seek his or her own benefit at the expense of everyone else. Take the cruel and aggressive selfishness of the driver who at any moment is figuratively killing the “others,” who appear merely as physical obstacles to his or her own speed. This aggressive and competitive selfishness marks the arrival of universally bourgeois behavior, and has come into being since driving has become commonplace. (“You’ll never have socialism with that kind of people,” an East German friend told me, upset by the spectacle of Paris traffic).

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The automobile is the paradoxical example of a luxury object that has been devalued by its own spread. But this practical devaluation has not yet been followed by an ideological devaluation. The myth of the pleasure and benefit of the car persists, though if mass transportation were widespread its superiority would be striking. The persistence of this myth is easily explained. The spread of the private car has displaced mass transportation and altered city planning and housing in such a way that it transfers to the car functions which its own spread has made necessary. An ideological (“cultural”) revolution would be needed to break this circle. Obviously this is not to be expected from the ruling class (either right or left).

mahershalalhashbaz posted:

i love the thorn.

emTme3 posted:

you know something that makes me laugh out loud with joy every single day of this absurd existence?

cars are going extinct.

emTme3 posted:

https://www.resilience.org/stories/2018-08-13/the-social-ideology-of-the-motorcar/

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Mass motoring effects an absolute triumph of bourgeois ideology on the level of daily life. It gives and supports in everyone the illusion that each individual can seek his or her own benefit at the expense of everyone else. Take the cruel and aggressive selfishness of the driver who at any moment is figuratively killing the “others,” who appear merely as physical obstacles to his or her own speed. This aggressive and competitive selfishness marks the arrival of universally bourgeois behavior, and has come into being since driving has become commonplace. (“You’ll never have socialism with that kind of people,” an East German friend told me, upset by the spectacle of Paris traffic).

emTme3 posted:

https://www.resilience.org/stories/2018-08-13/the-social-ideology-of-the-motorcar/

Comatoast posted:

Every purchase for either need or pleasure, every item shipped, every morsel of food and every evening spent in warmth and comfort are only serving to hasten the end of all this. I can't take up new hobbies, or get that cool 3d printer, or buy new computers, or drive 10 minutes down the road to my local trail system without feeling immense guilt. The contrast between what is my moral duty and what I'm actually doing is absolutely debilitating.

I've always liked the idea of possessionless monks. A life of quiet, still introspection rather than distraction. Though, the older I get the less I can handle anything religious.

Comatoast posted:

Every purchase for either need or pleasure, every item shipped, every morsel of food and every evening spent in warmth and comfort are only serving to hasten the end of all this. I can't take up new hobbies, or get that cool 3d printer, or buy new computers, or drive 10 minutes down the road to my local trail system without feeling immense guilt. The contrast between what is my moral duty and what I'm actually doing is absolutely debilitating.

I've always liked the idea of possessionless monks. A life of quiet, still introspection rather than distraction. Though, the older I get the less I can handle anything religious.

Unless posted:

can’t emphasize enough how important engaging in creative practice is

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fv-9gwDo_Aw

Hubbert posted:

Example: assuming that there's no awful highway to deal with, why not just bike to your local trail system in the summers?

Jokerpilled Drudge posted:

lmao

Hubbert posted:

In the end, none of your choices matter. Whatever salves the soul by any measure does.

T-Paine posted:

Oh word? I don't know the guy

JeremoudCorbynejad posted:

Natural gaslighting

gently caress COREY PERRY posted:

he has the unique distinction of being deemed too much of a hysterical conjecture-based insane doomer for the biosphere collapse thread

so he's probably right and going to be vindicated as such in like, two years

The Protagonist posted:

gently caress car chat

once the Thwaits goes, how long will it take to melt and manifest the associated rise in sea level?

Like it'll calve in the next five years, and once it melts completely that's what, 20m of sea level rise?

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The demise of a West Antarctic glacier poses the world’s biggest threat to raise sea levels before 2100 — and an ice shelf that’s holding it back from the sea could collapse within three to five years, scientists reported December 13 at the American Geophysical Union’s fall meeting in New Orleans.

Thwaites Glacier is “one of the largest, highest glaciers in Antarctica — it’s huge,” Ted Scambos, a glaciologist at the Boulder, Colo.–based Cooperative Institute for Research in Environmental Sciences, told reporters. Spanning 120 kilometers across, the glacier is roughly the size of Florida, and were the whole thing to fall into the ocean, it would raise sea levels by 65 centimeters, or more than two feet. Right now, its melting is responsible for about 4 percent of global sea level rise.

emTme3 posted:

https://www.resilience.org/stories/2018-08-13/the-social-ideology-of-the-motorcar/

take_it_slow posted:

Camus’ “The Plague”.

...

SniperWoreConverse posted:

Wait a minute who said 20m cause I had heard that too, from somewhere or other

Like that's borderline getting the coast to DC at that point isn't it? V disappointed that it wouldn't fall off Antarctica with such speed that it ramps over the Andes and lands on the white house front lawn

Notorious R.I.M. posted:

If you're interested in the ongoing demise of Thwaites and PIG, the Arctic Sea Ice Forum stays extremely up to date on their continued disintegration.

Thwaites: https://forum.arctic-sea-ice.net/index.php/topic,1760.0.html
PIG: https://forum.arctic-sea-ice.net/index.php/topic,429.0.html

Complications posted:

It's the kind of event that raises sea levels by 25m or more, and done on a natural cycle takes a couple centuries to play out. It'll be interesting to see how fast we can speedrun one.

kreeningsons posted:

im_sorry posted:

Car culture? I'm more of a fan of cat culture.