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HootTheOwl posted:What?? Thank you for reminding me that I am way overdue to rewatch that. Also I like "Taking off your pants is a special action" on the iceberg and will forever be amused that was, indeed, a relevant action in the game of Magic: the Gathering.
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HootTheOwl posted:What?? Vehicles can still crew other vehicles, they just cannot crew themself.
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Feb 6, 2022 15:05
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Captain Invictus posted:fell down an mtgwiki hole and wound up at vanity cards Telim Tor (Mirage) — An anagram of designer Elliot Segal's nickname, "Mr. Toilet".[14]
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Feb 6, 2022 15:11
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looking at the vanity cards caused me to click on the Reserved List and be reminded of soooo many loving cards i had completely lost to the mists of drug use and time like Mountain Titan. or Vodalian Knights. man. old Magic was a lot more interesting and weird than i generally remember through the lens of "cards that lived on"
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Feb 6, 2022 15:37
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Lord_Magmar posted:Vehicles can still crew other vehicles, they just cannot crew themself. Oh phew.
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Feb 6, 2022 16:11
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Congratulations… you crewed yourself.
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Feb 6, 2022 16:35
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Lord_Magmar posted:Vehicles can still crew other vehicles, they just cannot crew themself. sure that makes sense
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Feb 6, 2022 17:08
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Thinking on it, if the vehicles and reconfigure cards from this set catch on at all, control is going to be a in a rough place since they put aggro in a good position to quickly recover from sweepers and the like, right?
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The Nastier Nate posted:sure that makes sense The idea is that before, if you had somehow animated a vehicle into an artifact creature, you could then tap it to crew itself (this is rather silly). That's the specific edge case they're changing, and they're doing so because this set has vehicles which have abilities that activate when they are crewed (specifically one of which crews/animates a second vehicle I forget which). They're just removing self-crewing for a combination of it being a weird thing in general thematically, and the effects it might have had on the vehicles in the new Kamigawa set. You can however, still have a crewed vehicle that is treated as a creature, on an animated vehicle treated as a creature, tap to get inside another vehicle and crew that vehicle. Which is still moderately silly but at least doesn't involve unintuitive edge case design.
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Feb 6, 2022 17:32
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Macdeo Lurjtux posted:Thinking on it, if the vehicles and reconfigure cards from this set catch on at all, control is going to be a in a rough place since they put aggro in a good position to quickly recover from sweepers and the like, right? There's a ton of that floating around in Standard, so I don't see it being an issue. In Limited? Yeah, probably. You're going to have to prioritize blowing up your opponent's toys individually.
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Feb 6, 2022 17:34
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WOTC has hosed up standard so much that they banned THREE CARDS and the arena ladder at plat and mythic is the same exact decks as it was before lol
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Feb 6, 2022 17:45
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until they ban core components of mono-white or mono-green aggro I don't expect either of those to ever get reduced in numbers, and it will never happen, they're never going to ban thalia or brutal cathar or elite spellbinder etc
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Macdeo Lurjtux posted:Thinking on it, if the vehicles and reconfigure cards from this set catch on at all, control is going to be a in a rough place since they put aggro in a good position to quickly recover from sweepers and the like, right? the afr man lands are like vehicles you can play for free that crew themselves
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Captain Invictus posted:until they ban core components of mono-white or mono-green aggro I don't expect either of those to ever get reduced in numbers, and it will never happen, they're never going to ban thalia or brutal cathar or elite spellbinder etc I haven't played standard in a quick minute so can't comment on what would need to be banned but this is pretty funny considering it looks like mono-W is getting a lot of cool, new shiny toys in Neon Kamigawa.
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Feb 6, 2022 18:55
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mcmagic posted:WOTC has hosed up standard so much that they banned THREE CARDS and the arena ladder at plat and mythic is the same exact decks as it was before lol i mean how many people are going to really start creating seriously new decks based on some bans when a new set is dropping in two weeks you take your pet deck and just try to make it still work and futz around for two weeks instead of brewing something entirely new
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evilweasel posted:i mean how many people are going to really start creating seriously new decks based on some bans when a new set is dropping in two weeks Nah this isn't right. The volume of games being played on arena is so large that if there were other viable decks, people would find them. I'm sure people are trying to make new stuff, the format is just stale and bad. Hopefully the new set shakes things up.
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it's a scale thing. there's absolutely people brewing new decks, you're just not going to see the entire metagame turn over in two weeks based off of three cards getting banned (two from one archetype and one because it was a near-autoinclude good against the former archetype) especially when everyone's energies (and budgets) are focused on the new cards
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mcmagic posted:Nah this isn't right. The volume of games being played on arena is so large that if there were other viable decks, people would find them. I'm sure people are trying to make new stuff, the format is just stale and bad. Hopefully the new set shakes things up. you're not asking has anyone found a new deck you are asking have people found that new deck, all the people who netdecked a good deck that ate a ban found their new deck, and decided to burn wildcards to make it with a new set two weeks away i have an izzet dragon deck that used epiphany before. i have switched to playing historic instead of trying to tweak it, even though im sure someone somewhere came up with a new deck im not even gonna bother to look for it right now.
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Toshimo posted:https://markrosewater.tumblr.com/post/180356229608/would-a-nevinyrral-card-not-violate-the-rule Ayyy lmao 
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mcmagic posted:Nah this isn't right. The volume of games being played on arena is so large that if there were other viable decks, people would find them. I'm sure people are trying to make new stuff, the format is just stale and bad. Hopefully the new set shakes things up. Who do you think is going to bother tweaking a deck for a format that is going to change in 5 days?
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i think the blood on the snow treasure decks are well positioned right now
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mcmagic posted:Nah this isn't right. The volume of games being played on arena is so large that if there were other viable decks, people would find them. I'm sure people are trying to make new stuff, the format is just stale and bad. Hopefully the new set shakes things up. the volume of games being played on Arena is so large that if such a new deck did exist you probably wouldn't run into it. the people who play arena are beholden to its incentive structure. i also just started playing my old, release era Embercleave/Torbran knights historic deck. still
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It's the economy: there's no way I'm getting back my wildcards with a new set in two weeks. So I'm going to play with what I've got until then.
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Toshimo posted:Ayyy lmao This is the secret lair extra life bonus card I presume.
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Lord_Magmar posted:Vehicles can still crew other vehicles, they just cannot crew themself. Game is worse now. Fantastic.
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https://twitter.com/CedricAPhillips/status/1490433108495114241?s=20&t=iQ0CYTnXDF9cvTqs7M762g okay cedric you finally made it to Denver after 3 months or whatever. can you make A new resleevables with Patrick now please?
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Orange Fluffy Sheep posted:Game is worse now. Fantastic. wait i thought you were joking the first time, are you genuinely upset
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Anybody get shipping notifications for their Secret Lair October, MSCHF, or Extra Life stuff yet?
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Reynold posted:Anybody get shipping notifications for their Secret Lair October, MSCHF, or Extra Life stuff yet? Not yet. I've been debited for both MSCHF and Extra Life though so hopefully they'll be shipped out soon? It feels like some people have already got theirs. Pretty sure I heard some stuff from the October superdrop was getting delayed though.
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Orange Fluffy Sheep posted:Game is worse now. Fantastic. Explain with concrete examples what amazing plays we lose by not being able to tap down already animated vehicles to animate them again. It's never going outweigh the upside of changing it. I hate this grognard poo poo.
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Magic Underwear posted:Explain with concrete examples what amazing plays we lose by not being able to tap down already animated vehicles to animate them again. It's never going outweigh the upside of changing it. I hate this grognard poo poo. 
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Magic Underwear posted:Explain with concrete examples what amazing plays we lose by not being able to tap down already animated vehicles to animate them again. It's never going outweigh the upside of changing it. I hate this grognard poo poo.
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Reynold posted:Anybody get shipping notifications for their Secret Lair October, MSCHF, or Extra Life stuff yet? I JUST got my Phyrexian secret lair I ordered in July.
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Is the rules change a vehicle cannot crew itself, or that you can’t crew an already crewed vehicle?
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evilweasel posted:Is the rules change a vehicle cannot crew itself, or that you can’t crew an already crewed vehicle? The former
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Corner cases and tricky interactions are the most fun part of Magic IMO. Always sucks to see another one removed. kalel posted:https://twitter.com/CedricAPhillips/status/1490433108495114241?s=20&t=iQ0CYTnXDF9cvTqs7M762g Seriously, I’m dying here.
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Captain Invictus posted:I mean didn't they literally make this rules change BECAUSE of the vehicles coming out in NEO that could possibly be double-activated that way to cause multiple activation triggers? so I think it's a fine preventative measure The real reason for the change is so you can't throw a game by clicking a vehicle twice, tapping it down for no reason. It's a tiny change to the game to make it play better on arena. evilweasel posted:Is the rules change a vehicle cannot crew itself, or that you can’t crew an already crewed vehicle? Crew now requires you to tap OTHER creatures, so the first thing you said.
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Magic Underwear posted:Crew now requires you to tap OTHER creatures, so the first thing you said. thanks. so if you want to randomly recrew a vehicle you can still do it, i guess (for those upon crewing bonuses, or just to tap arbitrary creatures). that does make it seem like the real issue is getting around dumbos like me getting upset on arena because of a misclick.
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