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cinci zoo sniper posted:imo it’s safe to politely ask 10% up even for an offer you see as serious as fair. a normal company will just decline to increase, if their offer was final yeah they don't need to know that their first offer already exceeded your expectations
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Fart Sandwiches posted:also my lovely boss almost died in a car wreck last week and came back from the hospital talking about work life balance and how he realizes he's been wasting his and our lives on work and nothing is that important so.... we will see how long that lasts till I leave drunk driving may kill a lot of people, but it also helps a lot of people figure out works sucks, so, it;s impossible to say if its bad or not,
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thanks for the encouragement, I made myself ask for more and ended up getting a nice signing bonus
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first move tengen posted:thanks for the encouragement, I made myself ask for more and ended up getting a nice signing bonus 
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first move tengen posted:thanks for the encouragement, I made myself ask for more and ended up getting a nice signing bonus this thread’s posts are literally worth thousands of dollars
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nah, well into 7 figs by now. bfc negotiation thread is prolly low 8 figs at this point
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first move tengen posted:thanks for the encouragement, I made myself ask for more and ended up getting a nice signing bonus noice
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yes, thanks to this thread and BFC giving me a better idea what to target, my recently accepted offer is a 70% jump in TC rather than the 15% jump I was targeting (with a nice 25k signing bonus). Thank you all!!!
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we are not kidding when we say "read the bfc negotiation thread" read the bfc negotiation thread
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why? i'm being serious, i know what i'm worth and ask for more than that, as a computer toucher that seems sufficient
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there is a certain finesse to negotiation and it’s not an exaggeration that saying the wrong thing just once can negatively and significantly impact the final outcome. you should be aware of how to negotiate and the mistakes to avoid, even if you already know what you want, because you might be able to get more than that for free.
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FMguru posted:we are not kidding when we say "read the bfc negotiation thread" throw a link please
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champagne posting posted:throw a link please https://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3768531
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first move tengen posted:thanks for the encouragement, I made myself ask for more and ended up getting a nice signing bonus another success story
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FMguru posted:we are not kidding when we say "read the bfc negotiation thread" this thread is probably better if you're a computer toucher; more targeted data points. the advice isn't that different. Always ask for more and never say a number unless you're very sure of what it should be. If you're guessing shut your mouth
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https://www.geekwire.com/2022/amazon-more-than-doubles-max-base-pay-to-350k-for-corporate-and-tech-workers-citing-labor-market/ https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30246395 posted:Judging from what an insider in the HR org told me, we're going to be hearing a lot of stories like this going forward. Apparently, Amazon scale is so large and their attrition rates are so bad that in some markets, every potentially qualified candidate has already applied and failed an interview, or previously worked at Amazon and quit. As the adage goes, necessity is the mother of invention and Amazon seems to be at a point where it really needs to try everything under the sun to try to attract talent, given their extremely poor reputation.
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well, still won't work there, but i'll take the money that this forces other peeps to pay to match 350k tc is basically quotidian nowadays in figgieland prime and secondus but i haven't heard of 350k cash portion much e: outside of netflix ofc, which the thread mentions bob dobbs is dead fucked around with this message at 22:31 on Feb 7, 2022 |
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I like how they think of throwing a lot of money around before trying to be a less terrible place to work.
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bob dobbs is dead posted:well, still won't work there, but i'll take the money that this forces other peeps to pay to match this was exactly my thought. there's going to be some blood on the floor when other companies see this. also if amazon want to hire more people, they should stop the stupid automated algo tests they force everyone to do before they've even spoken to someone on the team. so owned i guess, jeff.
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ultrafilter posted:I like how they think of throwing a lot of money around before trying to be a less terrible place to work. when nadella did the great shitfuck purge of microsoft in the mid-2010s, where do you think all the shitfucks went?
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lmao just took a codility test for a job screen and got a 60% on the hidden test cases, whoopsie! i thought i spent enough time playing with aoc to get un-rusted but apparently not.
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ultrafilter posted:I like how they think of throwing a lot of money around before trying to be a less terrible place to work. the basic problem with hoping for culture changes is that amazon has been very successful with their current culture. i don't think it's because of their toxic internal culture, but there are probably a lot of people inside amazon who do. becoming a less terrible place to work requires them to first have a meaningful downturn that shows that they can't just keep doing what they've been doing.
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Plorkyeran posted:the basic problem with hoping for culture changes is that amazon has been very successful with their current culture. i don't think it's because of their toxic internal culture, but there are probably a lot of people inside amazon who do. becoming a less terrible place to work requires them to first have a meaningful downturn that shows that they can't just keep doing what they've been doing. seems like it doubling your headcount costs would be the kind of thing that might grab the attention of people who otherwise wouldn't care about bad internal culture
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ultrafilter posted:I like how they think of throwing a lot of money around before trying to be a less terrible place to work. What makes you think they didn’t do the math and figure this was cheaper?
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qhat posted:https://www.geekwire.com/2022/amazon-more-than-doubles-max-base-pay-to-350k-for-corporate-and-tech-workers-citing-labor-market/ yowza this is probably why they've been hounding me again lately
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raminasi posted:seems like it doubling your headcount costs would be the kind of thing that might grab the attention of people who otherwise wouldn't care about bad internal culture it's not that they don't care; they think it's a strength. having to double your base salary to be able to continue hire people doesn't disprove that if you continue to be profitable and growing anyway
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i will definitely sell me soul to Amazon while I wait out my non compete. still on the hunt but I have some interesting leads right now and my resume is moving through a friends place, but a resume to Amazon might not be bad. have a few pals over there too…
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PokeJoe posted:yowza this is probably why they've been hounding me again lately yeah really. i was getting an email every other day from a different recruiter of theirs for a few weeks
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I had the same recruiter mail me 8 times with the same message in less than 2 months. It was so bad that, on the week that they sent me a third message that week, I had to tell them to stop. Now I just get 2 messages a week from different people, which seems less obnoxious. I ignore them every time though because lmao eat poo poo jeff.
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Asymmetric POSTer posted:link(s)/deets? nadella in the first months of walking into microsoft cut 18000 jobs this was the foundation of the big turnaround and now azures the second big cloud dealio
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bob dobbs is dead posted:nadella in the first months of walking into microsoft cut 18000 jobs was that the great firing of the testers, or did that already happen in the ballmer years?
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i would absolutely work for amazon for 350k in base salary plus 50k bonus and 200k in rsus. do i make anywhere near even half of that now? no. but that's what it'd take for me to work for amazon.
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its 200k the fucky wucky amazon way, with a tiny amount first two years then ramp up (because most sane peeps dont make it two years) bonus is bigger than that tho
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i'll take bonus over fucky vesting rsus any day, as long as the bonus pays out. i mean, once the rsus vest, i'm just going to sell them and buy voo, same as i'd do with the bonus
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yeah, the upsides petered out materially on amazon rsu too because of lack of huge stock appreciation see? they know the price of peeps. unfortunately.
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yeah the stock appreciation is huge. google pays me $x but my buy price for other companies is a lot more than that cause of appreciation
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