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mcmagic
Jul 1, 2004

If you see this avatar while scrolling the succ zone, you have been visited by the mcmagic of shitty lib takes! Good luck and prosperity will come to you, but only if you reply "shut the fuck up mcmagic" to this post!

Wolfsheim posted:

Cassie's spot getting blown up offhandedly after weeks of tense sneaking around made me legitimately laugh out loud

I expect this drug dealer situation to be resolved very abruptly by some contrivance though, it doesn't really seem like a show where the plot will get in the way of the vibes

The cassie scene was the best part of the whole episode. So soooo good. When she tells rue you have to take it one day at a time i almost spit out my coke zero.

All of us are Dead kinda peters out at toward the end and they tease a 2nd season that I have literally zero interest in.

mcmagic fucked around with this message at 20:19 on Feb 7, 2022

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smackfu
Jun 7, 2004

Enjoying Reacher through two episodes, although a bit more gory than I expected. Gouging out eyes during a brawl is one thing but long shots of a full frontal bloody crucifixion are a bit much.

The Puppy Bowl
Jan 31, 2013

A dog, in the house.

*woof*
Let Reacher play in the background this morning and I'm a little disappointed. Too many situations where Jack's impossible strength, competence, and wits are less important than his impossible luck.

South American special forces who hold you at gun point within arms reach instead of like 10 paces out? Come on now.

Enos Cabell
Nov 3, 2004


smackfu posted:

Enjoying Reacher through two episodes, although a bit more gory than I expected. Gouging out eyes during a brawl is one thing but long shots of a full frontal bloody crucifixion are a bit much.

Harvey Guillen as the medical examiner added just enough humor to that scene to take some of the edge off. It was def a bit gnarlier than I expected the show to get though!

A MIRACLE
Sep 17, 2007

All right. It's Saturday night; I have no date, a two-liter bottle of Shasta and my all-Rush mix-tape... Let's rock.

The Puppy Bowl posted:

Let Reacher play in the background this morning and I'm a little disappointed. Too many situations where Jack's impossible strength, competence, and wits are less important than his impossible luck.

South American special forces who hold you at gun point within arms reach instead of like 10 paces out? Come on now.

You’ve got me monologueing again you sneaky devil

Google Butt
Oct 4, 2005

Xenology is an unnatural mixture of science fiction and formal logic. At its core is a flawed assumption...

that an alien race would be psychologically human.

The Puppy Bowl posted:

Let Reacher play in the background this morning and I'm a little disappointed. Too many situations where Jack's impossible strength, competence, and wits are less important than his impossible luck.

South American special forces who hold you at gun point within arms reach instead of like 10 paces out? Come on now.

You would hate Banshee then (and u would be wrong for this)

Starks
Sep 24, 2006

Reacher is cheesy dad tv imo but it’s hard to deny the lead is great for this type of role, I hope he has a good career before inevitably getting sucked up by marvel

magiccarpet
Jan 3, 2005




The big guy can also sing

quote:

He attended Niceville High School and graduated in 2001. In a 2013 interview with Indonesian magazine Da Man, he stated that he once obtained a full music scholarship.[4] From 1999 to 2003, he attended as a dual-enrollment student and graduated with an Associate of Arts degree at Okaloosa Walton Community College, now Northwest Florida State College. He was a member of the Fine Arts division's Soundsations and Madrigal Singers.

Teriyaki Hairpiece
Dec 29, 2006

I'm nae the voice o' the darkened thistle, but th' darkened thistle cannae bear the sight o' our Bonnie Prince Bernie nae mair.
I watched 6 episodes of season 4 of The Crown yesterday and it gave me nightmares.

punk rebel ecks
Dec 11, 2010

A shitty post? This calls for a dance of deduction.
~Punk Rebel Eck's: "It's Always Sunny in Philadelphia" Mega-Review~



Introduction


In my living room laying on my second bed I was watching TV. And I did something that I rarely ever did when watching TV alone. I was laughing, laughing out loud, and at times hysterically. Not just once, but multiple times a viewing. And not just during one viewing, but during most viewings.

The show I was watching was called “It’s Always Sunny in Philadelphia” and it is quite possibly the funniest TV show I’ve ever seen. Watching was such an enjoyable experience, that I completed all of the 162 episodes in less than a month, watching an average of around 6 episodes a day.

So, what is it that drove me to near obsess with this show for a month, and have it rocket its way amongst my favorite shows of all-time? Well to put it simply it’s one of the most unique and innovative scripted comedies of all-time.



What the Show is About


The best way to describe “It’s Always Sunny in Philadelphia” is that it’s the “anti-sitcom”. The show revolves around a group of twenty somethings, who have been friends since high school, that own a bar and find themselves in various trials and tribulations in life. On the surface this sounds like any other sitcom imaginable, but trust me the similarities end there.

The thing is rather than the main cast being relatable and endearing, they are insufferable.

The cast members are:

Mac

A male bimbo who is obsessed with his body and for the longest time refuses to accept that he is gay. He’s also hugely religious in which he believes the more one suffers the closer they are to God. He engages in schemes, hijinks, and general actions that ruin people’s lives.



Dennis


A sociopath, master manipulator, and likely serial rapist and killer. He prides himself in his ability to manipulate others to do his bidding. Whether it’s having women undergoing emotional abuse as he uses them for sex, or getting his friends to help him with his schemes, he always seems to have a plan to use others. I would say that he would be the “leader” of the group, but he just doesn’t command enough respect and clout to definitively say that. He engages in schemes, hijinks, and general actions that ruin people’s lives.



Charlie


Being honest, this character is a bit hard to describe. I would say he is the dumb and crazy character. However, he really isn’t that dumb or crazy compared to the rest of the cast. The best way to describe him is that scripted comedies tend to have a standout character who is the most “bombastic” and “fun” to watch. Seinfeld had Kramer. Workaholics has Adam. It’s Always Sunny in Philadelphia has Charlie. He engages in schemes, hijinks, and general actions that ruin people’s lives.



Dee


The twin sister of Dennis who dreams of being an actress. She seems to have no regard for other people as she is extremely rude and even violent. Her constant outbursts drive away customers from the bar, despite her being the bartender. She is loathed by all of the other cast members but always finds a way to get involved with whatever situation they are in. She engages in schemes, hijinks, and general actions that ruin people's lives.



Frank


The father of Dennis and Dee, he is a retired rich businessman, who spends his days living in squalor with Charlie as he finds that to be the most comfortable. He has virtually no morals, will have sex with anything that moves, and is all around gross. Due to his experience, connections, and money he frequently engages in grandiose schemes. Just with his hijinks and general actions, these schemes ruin people's lives.



It’s easy to see that the cast are all very horrible people, to the point that if you took any of the Seinfeld cast and placed them in It’s Always Sunny, then they would comfortably be the moral compass of the show.

Yet, this is what makes the show work. Because the characters are such horrible people, they aren’t chained to the confines of needing to make rational decisions or logical moves. A lot of their actions can simply be explained by “they are incredibly selfish and stupid” and it works.



Here is a quick list of some things that the protagonists, often referred to as “the gang” get themselves into:

- Kidnapping a critic from a local newspaper

- Having two members of the cast go on an Easter egg hunt which culminates in them digging up their dead mother’s grave

- Staging a fake funeral for a baby

- Locking house guests inside a burning apartment



All of this sounds terrible and it isn’t even the worst things that the gang has done. You don’t feel any sympathy for them, as intended. This means that you don’t feel sad when they get their comeuppance and/or go back to their sad dead-end lives. They are always the butt of the joke.


Why You Should Watch It


So, now that I’ve explained the show in detail, I will explain why you should watch it.

If I were to describe the humor of “It’s Always Sunny in Philadelphia” it would be dark, wacky, in your face, and pulls no punches. No topic is too taboo and the scene will be as bewildering as it needs to be. At times watching the show feels less like watching a sitcom and more like watching a cartoon. This makes the tone and feel of the show is closer to a live action South Park than a just a darker version of a prime-time sitcom.

Scenes like some of the cast becoming crack addicts to scam their way into welfare, or faking cancer in order to get charity money really seems so outlandish that it’s hard to take the show seriously, but again, it works.

But honestly, I find the show to really shines when the writers are put out of their comfort zone and into new territory. Such as having the characters traveling to Jersey Shore with each members having their own literal dreams and nightmares played out. Two prominent members of the gang moving from the big city to suburbia as you watch their chemistry combust as they gradually descend into madness.

As the show reached double digits seasons, it’s clear that the writers wanted to spicin’ up the show more. So more of these experimental episodes not only became more common, but more offbeat.


Such as the episode that is a cross between the film “Watermelon Man” and the musical “The Wiz”, as the gang wakes up as black people and navigate the world as being black in America all while breaking into song and dance.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YZP-n5ArEH4

Or the episode where the show going full on 1940s noir, with Charlie being a detective that has to navigate through the dark parts of the town as he solves the mystery of the diarrhea poisoning. All in traditional black-and-white of course.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CjLtS1YodPA

Or the more bizarre is the episode that goes full on “Hardcore Henry” as it all completely take place in a first-person perspective, and as you see everything through the eyes of Frank.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8iZCkIcQ7-0

But what’s arguably the most notorious ones, are the Lethal Weapon episodes. In which the cast creates their own entries to the Lethal Weapon franchise.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FLzDttETzSU

......


Addressing the Elephant in the Room


Being a show that has such dark and edgy humor while delving into controversial topics it’s no surprise that some episodes can be...well...controversial. This isn’t anything new, South Park and Family Guy for example have had their fair share of controversies over the years. But being live-action, it puts “It’s Always Sunny in Philadelphia” in strange place, especially for specific jokes.

This is obviously a very sensitive topic. On one hand I want to be careful of what I say in order to not offend anyone. On the other hand, I want to be honest and clear with my answers.

Before I start, I’ll give some information of my background. I consider myself biracial with being both Puerto Rican and Palestinian. In terms of how I actually look, I may be considered “white passing” with a skin tone slightly lighter than Alexandria Ocasio Cortez, though people can often tell that I still am “something”.

So, I feel that I can give some insight to some of the jokes relating to race in the show, but due to my lack of melanin I feel that I can only give so much insight.

What I will say right before tackling this topic is:

- There is no “Latino opinion”, “Black opinion”, "Asian opinion”, etc. People are individuals and each person sees things differently. Just because one person is offended by something doesn’t mean the entire group is, this is also true on the other side of the coin if someone doesn't find something offensive. To be fair, there is a general consensus between groups what is and isn’t offensive, but things aren’t always as cut and dry as people make it out to be.

- Most opinions on “if X should be considered racist or acceptable” in media tends to come from white voices. And if it does not come from white people, it comes from their upper-class minority peers rather than “the masses”. A good example of this is the term “Latinx” which is heavily pushed by the media but most Latinos haven’t even heard of the word, let alone push for it.

- Comedy’s purpose is to make people laugh, but it can also send messages that are difficult to do so in casual conversation. Similar, to the jesters of the king’s court, comedy makes the audience laugh but also think of things that they won’t typically think about. This is obviously a major double edge sword as while comedy can certainly be a smart and powerful tool, it can also put joke tellers in a bind when they want to tell a joke and leave it at that without the audience giving it more introspection. So, it can be understandable if some in the audience misinterpret the joke by seeing something that isn’t there. You can't really fully blame the audience for being paranoid, as humor tends to be the gateway for deplorable views to make it to the mainstream. Comedy can be a two way street.

- As much as people want to deny it. Dark and raunchy comedy tends to be extremely effective at comedy and messaging. Sure, shows like South Park and The Boondocks make people angry, but they are also regarded as some of the smartest and respected comedy shows in existence. This isn’t without them dividing fans up on things, or even being flat out wrong in some of their criticisms (South Park in regards to climate change and trans issues come to mind). But having the creator occasionally show their rear end is the price one pays for unfiltered edgy comedy.

I completely realize that a fair of those points are :can:, but I feel I need to get all of this out of the way before I continue. Now back to the review.



I wasn’t really offended by all that much in “It’s Always Sunny in Philadelphia”. I find that often it isn’t merely what is being shown that is offensive but it’s context.

Sure, Matt Stone and Trey Parker poke fun at Muslims significantly in their media. But it’s obvious watching it that the stuff show is either meant to be so outrageous that it is purely satirical, and when they do tackle situations like Muslim extremism the joke tends to be on the ignorance of the characters (typically Cartman), best demonstrated by the episode “The Snuke.” The general message of tends to fall in the line that extremely few Muslims are terrorists or sympathize with terrorists, and the issues tend to be multi-layered to the point that explaining it all in a twenty-two-minute comedy TV show is absurd, and “South Park” is hyperaware of that.

In contrast, I highly dislike how “Curb Your Enthusiasm” portrays Muslims, as the highest rated episode on IMDB (are you loving serious?) takes the context of the Palestinian-Israeli “conflict” from being a situation of Israelis performing ethnic cleansing by stealing Palestinian land and occasionally sterilizing their own citizens into a whole “if only we can get along with Palestinians, then I can eat their delicious chicken and have sex with their women.” The episode makes no mention to as of why the Jews and Palestinians hate each other, other than “they hate each other”. All the while Palestinians are portrayed...poorly to say the least, something that doesn’t really happen to an entire demographic for the show.

Luckily, It’s Always Sunny falls into the former. The reason being that much of the racist acts are being done by the gang themselves, and the show makes it very clear that you are not supposed to agree with them and are supposed to be laughing at them.

Whenever the characters make an ignorant comment like Muslims being terrorists, black people being thugs, or Asians not speaking English, you aren’t supposed to be taking them seriously. The show itself is showing that since the characters are so deplorable, of course they have these beliefs. It outright mocks anyone with such belief. The joke is on the racists not the races.

Now to get to what these past thirteen paragraphs were building up to out of the way...no, I do not have a problem with the brown/blackface segments of the show. It is perfectly understandable if one feels differently about it, but personally for the most part, I saw little problem with it.

Yes, Dee portrays an offensive stereotype of a Puerto Rican woman by having her being a complete hood rat and Dee looking like she put a black mob on her head and splotched herself with brown paint. But you are supposed to be laughing at Dee being stupid enough to think that this is how Puerto Ricans are. And by note, everyone around her is nearly as bewildered by her as the audience.

You aren’t laughing at her portraying a ghetto Puerto Rican, you are laughing at Dee thinking this is how a Puerto Rican is, as well as the absurdity of it all.

It’s similar to the Lethal Weapon episodes. You aren’t laughing at Mac’s portrayal of a black man, you are laughing that Mac thinks that he’s blurring the lines between what race he really is. In his mind he is the racial drag queen, but in reality he looks ridiculous.

And this is pretty much where everything falls in the show to me.

If I have to get technical, there’s only three episodes that I had a problem with:

The first is the episode “The Gang Recycles Their Trash”. This features Dee portraying a Puerto Rican woman again and gives a speech to union workers about not quitting their strike. What makes me a bit uncomfortable is that unlike before where the people she interacts with react like a rational person would be going “Who are you and just what the heck are you doing dressed like...that?”, the crowd, who is solely brown and black, actually listen to Dee’s warcry of a speech and then form a mob. I realize it isn’t as bad as it sounds, but it’s still in the spectrum of “bad” to me.

The second is the episode “The Gang Solves the North Korea Situation”. I am not Asian so I can’t comment, but just many parts of this episode make me feel uncomfortable. Especially with them making comments of how “you can’t tell the age of Asian women” and then having Charlie try and get with a girl played by a twenty something year old actress, but it turns out that her character in the show is a twelve-year-old.

The third is the episode “Sweet Dee Dates a Retarded Person”. Now besides the obvious problem with title, I just didn’t feel that comfortable with the episode. I don’t have anyone who is “in the spectrum” in my family nor am I close to anybody, so I’m sure if those who do feel the same way. For what it’s worth, the creators feel the same way that it’s a relatively weak episode that they regret. Though the fans disagree.

Saying all this, for show that delves deep into controversial territory unflinchingly, I am pretty surprised that I have so little to complain about.



Closing Thoughts


Overall, “It’s Always Sunny in Philadelphia” is one of the best shows on television, and also the funniest. The only show that I’ve watched that seems to rival it is “Curb Your Enthusiasm”, but that’s only when factoring out the weaker seasons. Despite running for almost two decades, “It’s Always Sunny in Philadelphia” has yet to have a “weak” season and the latest is ultimately as good as any other.

The show isn’t afraid to try things to keep everything fresh, nor is it okay to give conclusions to long running gags that in any other show may only have a chance to be resolved in a planned season finale. You can tell just by watching it that the show is a labor of love. Created by actors struggling to make it in the industry, with much of the main cast marrying and still together, and Danny DeVito loving being on set so much that he decided to be on the show permanently. The “good vibes” of the show really rub off on everyone, including the viewer.

“It’s Always Sunny in Philadelphia” certainly isn’t for everyone. It can be extremely dark and is unflinching in the way it presents itself. If you want a comedy to sit down with your family, then this isn’t the show for you. But if you want a show that focuses on giving you the best laughs possible, regardless of your comfort zone, then look no further.


End Notes


- It was clear, and is now known by fans, that during the first season Dee was supposed to be the “female voice of reason”. Kaitlin Olson hating this demanded that her character be just has selfish and crazy as the others. The show creators/writers stated that they made her the voice of reason as they weren’t sure how to write for a woman, resulted in Olson responding to them that they should just write whatever and she will feminize whatever they wrote. This resulted in the Dee that we all know and “love”, and thinking of it she really is a breakthrough character as she is everybody as psychotic as the guys and her screen presence is just as welcomed as theirs.

- That said, having Dee become a bad person not due her upbringing from Frank but rather a head injury at a roller rink was an insanely dumb retcon, and to me does a lot of damage to her character.

- While the show is easily the most consistent of these double-digit season comedy shows, I will say as a whole the show was gradually getting worse. It’s in no way a huge difference in quality, but like a notch and half worse on average. The later seasons focused a little too much on experimentation instead of the gang's goofy antics. Some of these episodes weren’t even that bad, but I feel they should have spread out a bit more. I will say the latest season is definitely one of the better seasons.

- I have a huge respect for the show for actually portraying the Israeli-Palestinian “Conflict” somewhat accurately. It’s even funnier seeing some reviewers :qq: over the poor Israeli bar owner.

- The cast is all fantastic. It's insane how almost everyone in the show was once an unknown actor. There is not really a weakest link, but I'd say the standouts would be Danny DeVito and Charlie Day.


Best Episode: The Gang Goes to Jersey Shore | Runner Up: The Gang Goes on Family Fight

Worst Episode: The Gang Beats Boggs: Ladies Reboot (this being the worst episode is so meta it’s perfect)

Most Overrated Episode: The Nightman Cometh

Funniest Scene: Mac and Charlie beating up their kid bullies in “The Gang Gets New Wheels”

What I’d Like to See in the Future: The girl who posed as Dennis’s daughter in “The Gang Goes to a Water Park” to come back for another episode.

punk rebel ecks fucked around with this message at 04:42 on Feb 8, 2022

A MIRACLE
Sep 17, 2007

All right. It's Saturday night; I have no date, a two-liter bottle of Shasta and my all-Rush mix-tape... Let's rock.

Awesome write up! Glad you liked sunny it’s been one of my favorites forever

Glottis
May 29, 2002

No. It's necessary.
Yam Slacker
Listening to the Always Sunny Podcast and it's hilarious how much they fuckin hate S1. You can feel their relief once they get to S2 and start enjoying the episodes.

Mr. Toodles
Jun 22, 2004

I support prison abolition, except for posters without avatars.
Great write up punk rebel ecks. I can't count how many times I have laughed so hard it hurt watching that show.

Famethrowa
Oct 5, 2012

Glottis posted:

Listening to the Always Sunny Podcast and it's hilarious how much they fuckin hate S1. You can feel their relief once they get to S2 and start enjoying the episodes.

the podcast is especially great, because despite the writers clearly playing characters, you can really tell how much of themselves they write into their characters. the podcast is like listening to considerably less horrible versions of charlie and mac and dennis bullshit and argue.

they hated S1 so much two of the S1 recaps are "how to park correctly" and "would you get in a fist fight at in-n-out in front of your kids" respectively.

Papercut
Aug 24, 2005
The latest season of it's always sunny is shockingly good, it's up there with the best ever. I think the shorter season helped, because it felt like every episode had at least a couple doubled-over-with-laughter moments. Danny devito is a treasure.

God Hole
Mar 2, 2016

punk rebel ecks posted:


- That said, having Dee become a bad person not due her upbringing from Frank but rather a head injury at a roller rink was an insanely dumb retcon, and to me does a lot of damage to her character.


this plot point really doesn't make sense or mesh at all with what we know about Dee's backstory, so I'm still of the opinion that this episode was their thinly-veiled response to the continuously smoldering internet rumor that the whole gang freezed out the previous Dee actress because Rob wanted a new girlfriend, and not because Dee being strait-laced and proper was boring as poo poo, see? SEE??

Enos Cabell
Nov 3, 2004


God Hole posted:

this plot point really doesn't make sense or mesh at all with what we know about Dee's backstory, so I'm still of the opinion that this episode was their thinly-veiled response to the continuously smoldering internet rumor that the whole gang freezed out the previous Dee actress because Rob wanted a new girlfriend, and not because Dee being strait-laced and proper was boring as poo poo, see? SEE??

Wait, what?? There has never been an actress other than Kaitlin Olson play Dee.

Basebf555
Feb 29, 2008

The greatest sensual pleasure there is is to know the desires of another!

Fun Shoe
They've been married for over a decade

Tiny Timbs
Sep 6, 2008

Enos Cabell posted:

Wait, what?? There has never been an actress other than Kaitlin Olson play Dee.

Next you're gonna act like you don't remember when Paul Giamatti played Frank for that one season

Papercut
Aug 24, 2005
The roller rink episode is definitely the weakest of the new season

Enos Cabell
Nov 3, 2004


Tiny Timbs posted:

Next you're gonna act like you don't remember when Paul Giamatti played Frank for that one season

I could never forget that, he won an emmy for it!

Upsidads
Jan 11, 2007
Now and then we had a hope that if we lived and were good, God would permit us to be pirates


Spoilers but the outages for this season are meatballs good
https://youtu.be/3XDFB16TOoo

precision
May 7, 2006

by VideoGames

Papercut posted:

The roller rink episode is definitely the weakest of the new season

the trip to ireland more than made up for it tho haha

punk rebel ecks
Dec 11, 2010

A shitty post? This calls for a dance of deduction.
Thanks for the responses everyone. I enjoyed writing the mega review and enjoyed watching Sunny even more.

Enos Cabell
Nov 3, 2004


Yeah that was a great review, thanks for sharing. Had you ever seen an episode prior to starting your marathon? What was your impression of the show going in?

punk rebel ecks
Dec 11, 2010

A shitty post? This calls for a dance of deduction.

Enos Cabell posted:

Yeah that was a great review, thanks for sharing. Had you ever seen an episode prior to starting your marathon? What was your impression of the show going in?

I watched the series before during college, but only the fourth season. I didn’t remember much about it going in.

My impression of the show was that it was a dark millennial (yes I know the actors are in their 40s) Seinfeld.

The show is less Seinfeld than I expected and a lot darker than I expected.

In terms of season 1 being “bad”, it’s common that first seasons of great series are subpar, as shows are struggling to find their footing. But the first season of Sunny isn’t that bad, certainly it isn’t as bad as say South Park, Bojack, or Seinfeld.

I will say that while the first season isn’t as “dark” as other seasons, it can be more “meanspirited”. The second episode with the psychopath kid is a good example. The entire concept is Sunny but something about the execution is off.

Enos Cabell
Nov 3, 2004


I was lucky enough to start watching the show from the very beginning, and I remember how scared I was that adding Danny DeVito was the death knell for the show. I've always loved him, but I figured that was such a vote of no-confidence that the show was doomed. Have never been happier to have been proven so very wrong.

Basebf555
Feb 29, 2008

The greatest sensual pleasure there is is to know the desires of another!

Fun Shoe

Enos Cabell posted:

I was lucky enough to start watching the show from the very beginning, and I remember how scared I was that adding Danny DeVito was the death knell for the show. I've always loved him, but I figured that was such a vote of no-confidence that the show was doomed. Have never been happier to have been proven so very wrong.

I mean from the interviews I've seen with the cast, they thought the same thing when DeVito was brought in. DeVito was a network mandated thing that they decided to do as like a last ditch effort to help the show gain an audience. So it makes sense that everyone involved assumed they were on their way out.

Jerkface
May 21, 2001

HOW DOES IT FEEL TO BE DEAD, MOTHERFUCKER?

Enos Cabell posted:

Wait, what?? There has never been an actress other than Kaitlin Olson play Dee.

Its well known (because the actress wrote a blog post detailing it) that when they were originally shopping the show the low budget pilot episodes + the FX pilot were shot with a different actress who Rob was dating at the time. After they filmed the pilot she broke up with him and they dumped her off the show and replaced her. It feels kind of scummy because IIRC rob made some ultimatum like you gotta keep dating me to stay on the show or something or other and she had a hand in creating the show herself.

BonoMan
Feb 20, 2002

Jade Ear Joe
Just finished Station Eleven and, man, holy poo poo was that good. Takes a few episodes to get into its groove and then its just great to the end.

I loved the book. Loved loved loved it and this, I would almost say, is better. But they are *wildly* different. This is basically a reimagining of the book, not an adaptation.

But I'm not mad at that. I love that we get these two stories, in two mediums, told pretty radically different.

poo poo. So good.

Tiny Timbs
Sep 6, 2008

BonoMan posted:

Just finished Station Eleven and, man, holy poo poo was that good. Takes a few episodes to get into its groove and then its just great to the end.

I loved the book. Loved loved loved it and this, I would almost say, is better. But they are *wildly* different. This is basically a reimagining of the book, not an adaptation.

But I'm not mad at that. I love that we get these two stories, in two mediums, told pretty radically different.

poo poo. So good.

This is by far my preferred approach with any book to film/tv adaptation. Annihilation was similar.

BonoMan
Feb 20, 2002

Jade Ear Joe

Tiny Timbs posted:

This is by far my preferred approach with any book to film/tv adaptation. Annihilation was similar.

Yes totally. Loved Annihilation as well (and the Southern Reach trilogy - for as impenetrable as they can be - esp book 2 and 3).

Enos Cabell
Nov 3, 2004


Jerkface posted:

Its well known (because the actress wrote a blog post detailing it) that when they were originally shopping the show the low budget pilot episodes + the FX pilot were shot with a different actress who Rob was dating at the time. After they filmed the pilot she broke up with him and they dumped her off the show and replaced her. It feels kind of scummy because IIRC rob made some ultimatum like you gotta keep dating me to stay on the show or something or other and she had a hand in creating the show herself.

Wild, I'd never heard that before. Glad that they seem to have matured since then, but man I can't really imagine anyone but Kaitlin in that role.

precision
May 7, 2006

by VideoGames

Jerkface posted:

Its well known (because the actress wrote a blog post detailing it) that when they were originally shopping the show the low budget pilot episodes + the FX pilot were shot with a different actress who Rob was dating at the time. After they filmed the pilot she broke up with him and they dumped her off the show and replaced her. It feels kind of scummy because IIRC rob made some ultimatum like you gotta keep dating me to stay on the show or something or other and she had a hand in creating the show herself.

*extremely Dee voice* god drat it!

seriously tho i never knew that... thats lovely

Perestroika
Apr 8, 2010

I've been trying a few episodes of Reacher, but unfortunately ended up bouncing off of it pretty hard. Having a protagonist who is superhumanly good at just about everything and casually demolishes every obstacle with minimum effort is not automatically a bad thing, but it does need a bit of a fine touch. They also need to be decently charming, entertaining, or stylish to pull off without it feeling grating, and Reacher isn't any of those.

punk rebel ecks
Dec 11, 2010

A shitty post? This calls for a dance of deduction.
The entire write up of the first Dee actress is here: https://www.ramshackleglam.com/2016...-and-sweet-dee/

Human Tornada
Mar 4, 2005

I been wantin to see a honkey dance.
I wasn't crazy about the first couple episodes of Reacher or the actor that played him either, but the series gets better as it goes on in my opinion and it actually manages to get pretty tense. They stick the landing, too. I was pleasantly surprised.

Jose Oquendo
Jun 20, 2004

Star Trek: The Motion Picture is a boring movie
I just got an email from Pluto letting me know they now have a Perry Mason channel.

https://pluto.tv/en/live-tv/perry-mason

feedmyleg
Dec 25, 2004
Fringe streaming services are so vastly cooler than the big guys

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Barry Foster
Dec 24, 2007

What is going wrong with that one (face is longer than it should be)

BonoMan posted:

Just finished Station Eleven and, man, holy poo poo was that good. Takes a few episodes to get into its groove and then its just great to the end.

I loved the book. Loved loved loved it and this, I would almost say, is better. But they are *wildly* different. This is basically a reimagining of the book, not an adaptation.

But I'm not mad at that. I love that we get these two stories, in two mediums, told pretty radically different.

poo poo. So good.

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