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KYOON GRIFFEY JR posted:fortunately EV preconditioning will solve this problem for everyone soon Except everyone in major cities who do not have parking attached to their home and park on the street? Which was including me for a long time. I make sure to mention this every once in a while in the thread because I am super curious what full EV will look like for this population in large metros. I guess it will involve fast chargers similar to what gas stations look like today, maybe 10 minutes to get... 50% of charge capacity? That tech doesn't seem to reliably exist today and obviously not at scale. I imagine the solution that wins for this population will be a big business idea as the world rightfully marches towards full EV, but again I am not sure what that will end up being. e: the above is a digression from the point about preconditioning, more about EV use in general.
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Would make more sense to put in a bunch of curbside slow chargers - they're a lot cheaper to install and you don't need to have a fancy new EV to take advantage of them.
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mobby_6kl posted:It does get down to to -20c here every few years, it's not the end of the world. But mostly idling is a horrible solution for the car and environment, much better to install a heater like one of those Webasto things or at least a block heater. It's an awesome feature on EVs. I wanna get a block heater for my Subaru though.
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KYOON GRIFFEY JR posted:fortunately EV preconditioning will solve this problem for everyone soon And yeah, preconditioning is useful.
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Inner Light posted:Spoken by someone who has never lived in a cold weather climate and had to park outside, am I right?. I live in central Sweden and I street park daily. mobby_6kl posted:It does get down to to -20c here every few years, it's not the end of the world. But mostly idling is a horrible solution for the car and environment, much better to install a heater like one of those Webasto things or at least a block heater. And this is mostly my point, it's all about comfort and it's very super bad from an emissions perspective.
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Feb 8, 2022 01:30
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Inner Light posted:Except everyone in major cities who do not have parking attached to their home and park on the street? Which was including me for a long time. Sure, right now, charging in these circumstances is a problem. But you simply can't apply todays conditions to a mysterious future. As range and charging speeds increase, you're not going to need to charge overnight, every night. https://new.abb.com/news/detail/82941/abb-launches-the-worlds-fastest-electric-car-charger 60 miles in 3 mins - today, a lot of drivers don't fill their tank every time they stop, they top up by budget or need. Why should electric cars necessarily be different? Again - right now, charging networks leave a lot to be desired, but it's a commercial service able to be sold for money to a rapidly increasing user base. What on earth makes people think capitalists are just going to ignore this market and leave profit on the table?
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Inner Light posted:Spoken by someone who has never lived in a cold weather climate and had to park outside, am I right? My car doesn't have remote start (it was never offered by factory and I don't want to gently caress with aftermarket) and let me tell you, not a fun experience after it has been sitting outside at -10F/-23C all night. That's basically illegal in Finland. You are allowed to idle the car for 2 minutes, 4 minutes if it's below -15°C.
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But you guys use a block heater or something right? I could not get my old Mazda 3 warmed up enough to defrost for a very long time, and it wasn't even that cold.
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Saukkis posted:That's basically illegal in Finland. You are allowed to idle the car for 2 minutes, 4 minutes if it's below -15°C. In the US if you don't roll coal while idling for at least 30 minutes every morning you're sent to the electric chair. 
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Feb 8, 2022 02:29
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Zero One posted:In the US if you don't roll coal while idling for at least 30 minutes every morning you're sent to the electric chair. Sounds like we need diesel chairs to replace those socialist electric chairs.
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Inner Light posted:Except everyone in major cities who do not have parking attached to their home and park on the street? Which was including me for a long time. I predict a bunch of major metros will start to have slow EV charging on the street
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Charles posted:But you guys use a block heater or something right? I could not get my old Mazda 3 warmed up enough to defrost for a very long time, and it wasn't even that cold. My Prius takes forever to warm up. It's one of the things about it that annoys me the most.
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Saukkis posted:That's basically illegal in Finland. You are allowed to idle the car for 2 minutes, 4 minutes if it's below -15°C. Idling should be banned full stop.
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carry on then posted:Idling should be banned full stop. Join us at the church of WOT
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Zero One posted:In the US if you don't roll coal while idling for at least 30 minutes every morning you're sent to the electric chair. But I need remote start for my truck so I can comfortably get to the drive-through bank to cash my check that I got from my non-union job so I can go to a gun show to buy a gun without background checks so I can stand my ground when the repo man comes because I am behind in my truck payments because I am nearly bankrupted because of the medical bills my wife got when hit while jaywalking to her job as a waitress getting paid with tips. But we are gonna sue!
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dissss posted:Would make more sense to put in a bunch of curbside slow chargers - they're a lot cheaper to install and you don't need to have a fancy new EV to take advantage of them. The problem with a lot of these is at least here in the UK the planners are super loving lazy and install them on already street furnitured out narrow pavements. It's honestly one of the worst things about EVs in cities. https://twitter.com/markymarrow/status/1445845957417992193?s=20&t=cRiMdr630s7f7jCR94ivew https://twitter.com/LoHoIsLivin/status/1036660427449610240?s=20&t=cRiMdr630s7f7jCR94ivew https://twitter.com/ecochris_todd/status/1404911129047015426?s=20&t=cRiMdr630s7f7jCR94ivew https://twitter.com/runcornworld/status/1406504101660151810?s=20&t=cRiMdr630s7f7jCR94ivew There's some places that wire chargers into street lights which is a more sensible use of pre-existing street architecture but as a general rule, cars should not take over real estate for people more than they already do. You have people who will buy an EV/hybrid and just not give a single gently caress about potentially causing accidents by just laying the cabling across the pavements in busy areas because they don't have a driveway or any place nearby to actually charge their car. Yeah EVs might be better for the environment generally but there's been shockingly little thought in how to properly integrate them infrastructure wise into existing city layouts. I know some councils if asked will send the boys over with some machinery and basically just cut a channel across the pavement which you can pop your cable into to minimise the potential for accidents. https://twitter.com/audreydenazelle/status/1459453264785772545?s=20&t=cRiMdr630s7f7jCR94ivew https://twitter.com/RabbleChorus/status/1448024907481235460?s=20&t=cRiMdr630s7f7jCR94ivew
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Olympic Mathlete posted:https://twitter.com/runcornworld/status/1406504101660151810?s=20&t=cRiMdr630s7f7jCR94ivew Those giant box things are insane, when this example exists, except for the absolute brain dead placement. That cable channel design looks interesting too. But again, I go back to my earlier point, I suspect this is a temporary lark that will eventually be over taken by much faster charging and longer range, eventually most charging will look much more like todays visit to a fuel station.
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When you realise the stupid placement of those little pole ones is because cars have to park on the pavement in order to allow traffic through in single file is the moment you realise that maybe we've relied on cars a little too much.
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Olympic Mathlete posted:When you realise the stupid placement of those little pole ones is because cars have to park on the pavement in order to allow traffic through in single file is the moment you realise that maybe we've relied on cars a little too much.
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There should be electrodes built into car seats so If you idle your car for more than five minutes it tasers your groin when you get in the car.
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Now imagine doing any of this in Bangkok, Manila, or any other city where every sidewalk is already a Super Mario Bros. level.
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Olympic Mathlete posted:When you realise the stupid placement of those little pole ones is because cars have to park on the pavement in order to allow traffic through in single file is the moment you realise that maybe we've relied on cars a little too much.  ilkhan posted:ICE cars don't have that issue. It's a charging infrastructure issue and a jam-pack-all-the-bodies-into-a-city issue. What? Olympic Mathlete is describing a road that's so narrow cars have to mount the footpath to park, hence the dumb location of the chargers. Are ICE cars magically narrower or something? Also it's nothing to do with cities being full of people, it's over reliance on the private car carrying 1.2 passengers each on average as a mass transit solution. EV's solve an air pollution problem, they don't do anything to fix congestion.
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BuckyDoneGun posted:Sure, right now, charging in these circumstances is a problem. But you simply can't apply todays conditions to a mysterious future. As range and charging speeds increase, you're not going to need to charge overnight, every night. These metrics are pretty useless. Lots of electric cars can already charge very very quickly today. As most of us know, lots of cars today can theoretically charge at incredible rates with the right combination of charger, circumstance and state of charge. The problem is to charge to 90 or even 100% is still a 30-40 minute endeavor at a fast charger and that's if everything goes right. Even worse, this kind of duty cycle is a lot harder on most of the batteries on the market today. You're not convincing people with the environmental argument alone, you have to give them something that approaches what they have today. For people with homes and driveways we're probably there or pretty damned close, but we do need to figure out what to do with people who only rely on street parking because there's a TON of people in that situation. Olympic Mathlete posted:When you realise the stupid placement of those little pole ones is because cars have to park on the pavement in order to allow traffic through in single file is the moment you realise that maybe we've relied on cars a little too much. You're probably right but good luck undoing nearly a century of urban planning in the United States.
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Olympic Mathlete posted:The problem with a lot of these is at least here in the UK the planners are super loving lazy and install them on already street furnitured out narrow pavements. It's honestly one of the worst things about EVs in cities. Yeah if this is the EV future cars can gently caress off. And I genuinely love cars. This poo poo is gross.
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bird with big dick posted:There should be electrodes built into car seats so If you idle your car for more than five minutes it tasers your groin when you get in the car. They're trying to decrease people idling, not increase it! Also holy poo poo those chargers and their placements are freaking awful. In US cities at least, they'll probably combine them with the parking meters or whatever, so it won't be AS bad. But drat that's awful.
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There are a lot of normal install with chargers that sit just kerbside and a little into the road in parking spots in towns here but the bad ones are real fuckin' bad.
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What happens when a drunk driver blasts into one of those sidewalk chargers? and lol at the guy with the extension cable running through his yard out to the street
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Nidhg00670000 posted:Do the cars in question not have a regular service light or are these "maintenance alerts" added on top of that? Remote start is awesome if you have little kids to take to daycare or school. Leave the defrost on full blast heat and turn the radio off (or at least off of Bluetooth lol) when you park, let that motor purr for ten minutes, and you can actually leave for school on time and avoid a whole bunch of whining about being cold. Without remote start you will never get the air inside the car dry because little kids are always breathing heavy.
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ilkhan posted:They dont have to park on that path in order to charge. No but they have to park there in order to park. Because there's nowhere else to park.
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Olympic Mathlete posted:
ngl I'd unplug that poo poo and throw it over the fence.
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the conduit in the sidewalk with maybe the charger hanging on a little pole in a box is perfectly fine and good
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I dunno, something feels very American to me about ripping up infrastructure and paying corporations to install unwieldy large chargers for cars when the technology will probably pass to wireless charging at abbbbouuuut the same time that the original plans have finally been completed + implemented.
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Hope no one disabled is in this EV future hellscape.
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I kinda get the complaints about taking up space on the sidewalk, but also you ever see city streets in the winter? They're narrow as gently caress from all the snow. I get that's "only" ~6 months out of the year rather than all year round but  if you can live with it half a year why not the whole year.That underground cable seems like an expensive pain when something gets damaged / needs to be replaced.
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I doubt there's regularly snow on the ground in the UK, let alone for 6 months. And in any case we should try not to make things worse, especially when it's trivial to avoid with a bit of effort.
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In the US, if you have angled or straight on parking, the sidewalk is already useless because pickups back up to their back axle and the bed almost completely bocks the sidewalk.
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Sab669 posted:I kinda get the complaints about taking up space on the sidewalk, but also you ever see city streets in the winter? They're narrow as gently caress from all the snow. I get that's "only" ~6 months out of the year rather than all year round but I know it's easy to forget here but other countries actually give a poo poo about people with disabilities.
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Found a new fugly car to point and laugh at. Back end isn't terrible but that front is   From the same company that brought you this banger of a design...   
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