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Inventing memories to mask the pain of growing up in Ayr is something that a lot of people have done, I don't think people will judge you.
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Bug Squash posted:I dunno seems like a problem to me if right-wing weirdos are rioting and trying to kill people. Yes it's a chuckle that it was Kier this time, but people like Diane Abott are going to be solidly in the cross hairs of these freaks. https://twitter.com/papapishu/status/746803108949409793
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Theres nothing good about poo poo slinging like this. Politicians throwing it at each other get it everywhere.
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Bug Squash posted:I dunno seems like a problem to me if right-wing weirdos are rioting and trying to kill people. Yes it's a chuckle that it was Kier this time, but people like Diane Abott are going to be solidly in the cross hairs of these freaks. Multiple people tried to assassinate Jeremy Corbyn and one of them actually killed a guy outside a mosque, surviving purely because the imam convinced the crowd that his lynching would be pointless. Nobody is cheering the concept of lynch mobs running around the country, but this is a pr stunt organised by a Tory official with a history. It's also not something either leftists or vulnerable minority groups find new or surprising, these things don't start by targeting powerful securocrats. It signifies no material change for anyone I sympathise with, and along with dead Essex Tory prick, it's a nice reminder to said securocrats and powerful people that they might want to reconsider their domestic priorities. They won't, of course. They never do. We're just enjoying the schadenfreude that the people who've spent their lives instantly dismissing anyone who uses the word "fascism" correctly are shocked and horrified to see the chickens come home to roost.
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At least this time the press actually cares that a bunch of childfuckers are harassing the nominal left.
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Again, I can't really muster any energy for pious handwringing when this has been happening for years with the active encouragement of the Labour right, who are still at the same old poo poo after yesterday's attack. This isn't an escalation, this is just an unfortunately familiar thing happening to someone who a few more people recognise as a real person. https://twitter.com/amphitryoniades/status/1490830860249182208?s=21 https://twitter.com/amphitryoniades/status/1490830864195932160?s=21
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keep punching joe posted:Memories are weird. The worst part is realising a memory you've convinced yourself was true is actually complete bollocks, and it happens more regularly the older you get 
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Failed Imagineer posted:if you think this is an encouraging sign for your country you need your head checked tbh I don't think anyone has said that any of this is a good sign, but surely you must see the schadenfreude when one of the people who helped light the bonfires inadvertently sets themselves on fire? Just for clarity, that's what people are focussing on and laughing at.
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fuctifino posted:I don't think anyone has said that any of this is a good sign, but surely you must see the schadenfreude when one of the people who helped light the bonfires inadvertently sets themselves on fire? I guess you should re-read my last post?
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Failed Imagineer posted:I guess you should re-read my last post? Ooops. That's embarrassing. Well played  In other news, I've just had this photo of Nadine and her first husband pop up on my radar. She certainly goes for a type, doesn't she? 
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fuctifino posted:Ooops. That's embarrassing. Nothing like a game of smell my finger with the missus. Who's the bloke?
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jiggerypokery posted:Nothing like a game of smell my finger with the missus. Who's the bloke? 
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fuctifino posted:Ooops. That's embarrassing. Disturbingly like Stanley Johnson.
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fuctifino posted:Ooops. That's embarrassing. Who's mommy's Big Dog? Who is it? Yes, you are, Boris! Yes you are!
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Ah, even Sky News forgetting the rule on how to spell that surname - it's "-vile" as in that's what he was. A rule popular with tabloid hacks back in the day even before his crimes were well-known outside media/police circles, apparently. Isn't it lovely how they all knew, and said nothing?
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Failed Imagineer posted:That's loving incredible jfc it's real 
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EvilMoJoJoJo posted:Ah, even Sky News forgetting the rule on how to spell that surname - it's "-vile" as in that's what he was. A rule popular with tabloid hacks back in the day even before his crimes were well-known outside media/police circles, apparently. Isn't it lovely how they all knew, and said nothing? I've said this before about the nature of coverups and "Everyone knew", but you don't need a vast conspiracy of hundreds of people for these sort of crimes to go undetected, the weight of society does most of the work for you. "Everyone knew" about Savile but then also "everyone knew" about Marc Almond, or Elton John, or Michael Douglas (not the goon) - rumours about celebrities sexual proclivities are as old as celebrity itself. Of the people who actually *did* know, the majority would of course have been his actual victims, and the vast majority of them, sadly, would have said nothing for all the reasons why the victims of predators say nothing, but with the massive multiplier of his celebrity status meaning if they *did* say something to a parent, relative, friend, even a teacher or police officer, they'd have been encouraged to keep it quiet by many of them because the Big Telly Man couldn't possibly have done that, you must have misremembered it or made it up (and they may even have been told that by multiple people). Then the ones who did know about it, and even believed it, would have felt that same crushing institutional force against them *without the institution actually doing anything to bring that force to bear*. The Nolan Sisters knew about Savile - he groped and propositioned one of them, and the others 100% believed her - but didn't say anything because he was one of the BBC's biggest stars and they felt they wouldn't be believed, and that it would destroy their careers if they pushed it. Now imagine how much bigger the power imbalance - and that weight, felt even if never imposed - was on just some poor random kid in the TOTP audience or a hospital bed. I don't know if Savile ever made that an explicit threat but he pretty much didn't have to, society was making it for him. Savile got away with what he did for so long not because a group of crack BBC Men In Black were running around intimidating people into silence, with everyone from the doorman at Television Centre to the Director General enthusiastically asking him about his activities like they were discussing the weather and threatening to disappear anyone who made trouble, but because centuries of cultural conditioning programmed everyone from the doorman to the DG to just disregard anything they might have heard because to do otherwise would be to break the status quo and risk their own careers and livelihoods, especially as to almost all of those people it would have been just as much of an outlandish rumour as the contents of other stars stomachs or rectums. This doesn't excuse the (often willful) blindness demonstrated by multiple people at the BBC but it misses the point if you paint it as a problem with specific individuals or groups, the problem is holistic, and you risk letting other predators go undetected if you don't also address that.
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Total Meatlove posted:Can anyone please remind me of the person the Eye take great delight in calling a liar because he was found to have lied in civil court, meaning they can't be found liable for libel? That would be Jeffrey Archer.
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lmao they couldn't have been trying to kill this old man more if they just held the party and took turns coughing in his face.
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goddamnedtwisto posted:I've said this before about the nature of coverups and "Everyone knew", but you don't need a vast conspiracy of hundreds of people for these sort of crimes to go undetected, the weight of society does most of the work for you. "Everyone knew" about Savile but then also "everyone knew" about Marc Almond, or Elton John, or Michael Douglas (not the goon) - rumours about celebrities sexual proclivities are as old as celebrity itself. Multiple victims did complain to the police, and all their cases were buried. We all know that the police exchanged information with the tabloids so it's utterly unsurprising that the very serious allegations were indeed common knowledge in a certain milieu. If anything it's an indictment of how victims were and are treated in far too many cases by police when they try and report, even in cases where their attacker isn't a friend of literal royalty and the then-prime minister. Believe me, I am very well aware of how rape culture operates, and how victims are systematically silenced. I don't think anything in my comment indicated otherwise. It's not engaging in conspiratorial thinking to point out that Savile's crimes were well-known enough for the "vile" epithet to be used as a grim aide-memoire by journalists writing about him, who certainly knew he was a wrong 'un.
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jiggerypokery posted:If he wanted to, could Starmer press libel charges? Doubt it. Stamer did not prosecute Savile while DPP, and has previously apologised for it. Nothing Johnson has said is technically false afaik. e:Subsequently, in 2013, Starmer commissioned barrister Alison Levitt to investigate whether or not the CPS had been right not to charge Savile in 2009. She concluded that she had “reservations” about the decision not to proceed with criminal charges. “On the face of it, the allegations made were both serious and credible; the prosecutor should have recognised this and sought to “build” a prosecution,” she said. Sir Keir accepted Alison Levitt’s conclusions and apologised for the CPS’ “shortcomings” in the Savile case.
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jiggerypokery posted:If he wanted to, could Starmer press libel charges? IANAL: Well you don't really "press charges" for libel, that's a criminal law thing. Anyway for the initial statement Johnson made no, he couldn't, because they were made in parliament and so are covered by parliamentary privilege. Had he made it outside parliament then he could probably take it to court but even with our plaintiff-friendly defamation laws it'd be a toss-up - lots of wriggle room for Johnson because he didn't just say "Starmer let Savile off". Even if he had though, it's not very common at all for one MP to sue another (part of why Ben Bradley got quite so sloppy with Corbyn and ended up having to Please Retweet) and for LOTO to sue the PM would be remarkable and absolutely 100% play into the Tory narrative, a bear trap so gaping even the idiots at the top of the Labour Party would probably notice and not fall into.
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EvilMoJoJoJo posted:Multiple victims did complain to the police, and all their cases were buried. We all know that the police exchanged information with the tabloids so it's utterly unsurprising that the very serious allegations were indeed common knowledge in a certain milieu. If anything it's an indictment of how victims were and are treated in far too many cases by police when they try and report, even in cases where their attacker isn't a friend of literal royalty and the then-prime minister. Yeah I should have been clearer I wasn't exactly disagreeing with what you said, just pointing out that there's a difference between having knowledge of something and "everyone knowing".
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goddamnedtwisto posted:IANAL: ngl it was pretty funny watching his defenders squirming in interviews knowing full well they'd get sued if they repeated it
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OwlFancier posted:If only there were someone who could make them have consequences for the people who say them, lindsay, can't imagine who that could be. No you see, clearly Johnson will take a stern comment from the Speaker to heart and mend his ways, and so....
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I'm sure most have seen this by now: https://twitter.com/watsoncomedian/status/1490980433340899328 But check out this thread to see just how cliche this poo poo is: https://twitter.com/mattlodder/status/1491019172175761409
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What a great time to revisit this classic My son’s tattoo hurt me deeply https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2012/aug/11/devastated-by-my-sons-tattoo quote:So I cry instead. I have a lump in my throat that stops me from eating. I feel as if someone has died. I keep thinking of his skin, his precious skin, inked like a pig carcass.
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Navigating ships or other vessels, not just for sailors any more.
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