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Jamesman posted:See that's the kinda thing I eat up. I loved wrestling when it was just not trying to take itself seriously (but also wasn't using rape as a plot device). It's probably why I latched on so hard to Too Cool, and why I stopped watching when they got rid of The Spirit Squad, which I kinda want to gush about at some point in this thread. Oh yeah. I mean, check my avatar. I liiiiiive for silly stuff. Too Cool, Orange Cassidy, Luchasaurus, Jervis Cottonbelly, Kris Statlander, Abadon, The Dark Order are my absolute jam. Like, yeah, Kenny Omega's series of 6+ star classics with Kazuchika Okada was awesome, but The Dark Order's 8-man tag where against the Super Elite and everyone was wearing Halloween costumes was my 2021 match of the year and it wasn't even close. The world sucks. Give me something weird and joyful put together by people having the time of their lives and I am in. e: To be clear, I'm not throwing shade. There were a ton of people who hated that character, but there were a lot who absolutely loved her in that persona and I don't blame them one bit. My response was to the dude who said that the 10 minutes he watched of WWE was boring as poo poo. Her big run with that gimmick was divisive, but it sure as poo poo wasn't boring. e2: Probably a lot of the hate she got for the character was that she was given the gimmick to act as Bray Wyatt's partner. Then Bray Wyatt got fired, but she kept the gimmick. I think it's fair to say that there was a lot of bitterness surrounding that, the bitterness directed towards her was entirely unwarranted because absolutely none of it was in any way her fault. It was hosed up that she bore so much of it. Time_pants fucked around with this message at 07:17 on Feb 8, 2022 |
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WWE is usually bad, but when it is good it can be really loving good. It probably peaked with Stone Cold cracking Vince across the head with a bedpan, though.
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Bogus Adventure posted:WWE is usually bad, but when it is good it can be really loving good. It probably peaked with Stone Cold cracking Vince across the head with a bedpan, though. The thing I always remember about that was a subtle detail that was probably wholly unintentional: Austin taking a moment to beat on Vince's injured leg. Just before the bedpan shot, actually. It really drives home that in the end, you really shouldn't be rooting for this man. It's one thing to be wronged and angry and seeking revenge, and all the other nonsense (him punching him, the bedpan, zapping him with paddles, giving him an offscreen enema) is almost kind of slapstick. But sadistically going after an 'injury'...this is not a man you can trust, even if he's doing stuff you like. Probably way overthinking it. The skit is also an example of how Vince was willing to play the absolute fool if he felt like it. Which is more than I can say for virtually all other psychopath businessmen.
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Peggy Edson posted:Don't watch WWE it's insanely bad. Wait til Wednesday and watch AEW. You won't feel robbed of your time.
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SilvergunSuperman posted:Pretty lovely thing to say tbh sorry but it’s true
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this happened right before the "mystery partner" was revealed in a 3 on 3 tag match right after this gif ends, bray points at the fan being dragged away and can be heard on the live airing laughing and saying "is that your guy?"
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Cornwind Evil posted:Probably way overthinking it. The skit is also an example of how Vince was willing to play the absolute fool if he felt like it. Which is more than I can say for virtually all other psychopath businessmen. Feels like this is kinda where despite all his craziness, it's clear Vince is a born showman; he enjoys the spotlight even if people are laughing at him.
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Cornwind Evil posted:
Isn't this just how wrestling works? It's been a while since I actually watched professional wrestling of any kind. But "The People's Elbow" was just an elbow drop, done after some stuff that wouldn't make an elbow drop hit harder. Yet it very clearly did significantly more damage than a regular one. The Rock would also consistently do the whole pre-elbow ritual before it, even though it gave his opponent more time to recover and try for a counter. It was pretty obvious that, without this pre-elbow ritual to channel the support of the fans into his next attack, the move wasn't nearly as potent. They might've never paused to explain the rules of their magic system, but it didn't take long to see that this is how that particular move worked. Honestly, it's only fair, since without this kind of soft magic, the Undertaker would be the only one with any powers. Blurry Gray Thing fucked around with this message at 11:49 on Feb 8, 2022 |
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Blurry Gray Thing posted:Honestly, it's only fair, since without this kind of soft magic, the Undertaker would be the only one with any powers. Was Midian supposed to be supernatural or just weird looking like Golddust?
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A lot makes sense when you realise shonen anime and pro wrestling operate under exactly the same rules.
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I watched AEW last night and found it entirely watchable. Probably not enough to get back into wrestling again. But overall? Pretty good. Good matches even if they were under-mid cards. Really enjoyed the banter between the commentators as previously mentioned. Flipped to WWE when that was over, since it was still on. Saw creepy Harley Quinn fan service girl talking to a sexual predator 'therapist' trying to make her give up her mini-me doll and it grossed me out too much to keep watching. (To the goon who said 'tell me why I shouldn't be in love [with this character]' loving gross is why. Tuned back in a bit later for one of the more main events between two people I didn't recognize. Was going on for a while but they were wrestling well. So obviously the best thing that WWE could do was mute the match and do the side-by-side commercial thing while still streaming the match on one half the screen while streaming commercials on the other. Except they streamed 8 loving commercials in a row for 7-9 minutes (I lost track it was so long). They just kept going while the match obviously stalled, and stalled, and STALLED on the PIP. Holy loving poo poo. Just terrible garbage. Like, I had and have no intention of keeping up with WWE and knew IN ADVANCE that this was going to be garbage. I figured it would be 'Wow this poo poo sucks lol' style garbage, not 'I'm actually offended by being shown this what in the gently caress' style stuff. Incredible.
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Ghost Leviathan posted:A lot makes sense when you realise shonen anime and pro wrestling operate under exactly the same rules. I was having a discussion with some friends about 90s wrestling (which theyre in the process of teaching me about) and when the topic of golddust came up I went hey-wait-a-minute and just did a google image search of fist of the north star bad guys   There's an alternate universe where Gary Daniels punched Dusty Rhodes until his head explodes in the live action adaptation and I'm upset we don't live in that universe
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I had one of those PSX wrestlemans and I'll never forget the voice going "The BIZZARE ONE" and "Rocky Maiavilla"
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Cornwind Evil posted:No idea if AEW has a similar setup with annoucers with someone talking in their ear, but it doesn't have Vince, so... They have one of the other announcers or another backstage person doing typical live TV production stuff but not like, feeding them lines to say or whatever Vince insanity he does.
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pretty soft girl posted:I was having a discussion with some friends about 90s wrestling (which theyre in the process of teaching me about) and when the topic of golddust came up I went hey-wait-a-minute and just did a google image search of fist of the north star bad guys As much as you love anime or whatever, a guy having long blonde hair does not make them a comparison. Is he also He-man? Every other 80's wrestler with blonde hair? No.
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Big Beef City posted:Saw creepy Harley Quinn fan service girl talking to a sexual predator 'therapist' trying to make her give up her mini-me doll and it grossed me out too much to keep watching. (To the goon who said 'tell me why I shouldn't be in love [with this character]' loving gross is why. Yeah. There's nothing wrong with the gimmick of She-Taker or Ms. Fiend per se, but there have been several points where it has veered into really gross territory with the infantilization and/or sexualization of her character.
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I watched AEW from the beginning until the summer of the pandemic, then picked it up again in early 2021. I hadn't watched wrestling regularly since like 03-04 I'd guess but man, AEW hooked me right away. One touch I love is the commentary is blended between pro announcers like Excalibur, JR and Tony, and talent like Taz or Chris Jericho (he's a chud poo poo head but god drat is he the best on commentary), meaning that you get some really hilarious bits where they play off of each other making jokes without being assholes to each other. I'm also trying to remember more about Al Snow's Head character storyline but I'm drawing a lot of blanks. Was that actually a good storyline or did it suck and I was young and dumb?
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bagmonkey posted:. Head like, the head he carries around. But also like, saying if someone needs head it means like.....two things. Lol. That's pretty much it from what I remember
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Trollologist posted:Head like, the head he carries around. But also like, saying if someone needs head it means like.....two things. Lol. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mgy7_AnrAAw
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bagmonkey posted:I watched AEW from the beginning until the summer of the pandemic, then picked it up again in early 2021. I hadn't watched wrestling regularly since like 03-04 I'd guess but man, AEW hooked me right away. One touch I love is the commentary is blended between pro announcers like Excalibur, JR and Tony, and talent like Taz or Chris Jericho (he's a chud poo poo head but god drat is he the best on commentary), meaning that you get some really hilarious bits where they play off of each other making jokes without being assholes to each other. It was just a bog standard Attitude Era oral sex joke to skate by censors. I liked Al Snow back then but I hated the Head thing.
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bagmonkey posted:I'm also trying to remember more about Al Snow's Head character storyline but I'm drawing a lot of blanks. Was that actually a good storyline or did it suck and I was young and dumb? Basically, Allen Sarven had gone through a few gimmicks that had not worked at all, and after his last one as "Leif Cassady" of the "New Rockers" with infamous "wayside faller" Marty Jannety, was sent to ECW, which the WWE had a business relationship with, to give them a body and for him to 'improve' and maybe find something interesting for him to do. Whether he himself, Paul Heyman (who in his day was really good at gimmicks), someone else, or a combination of them, came up with it, one day Snow was shown in a video where his character had clearly gone a little 'crazy' and he muttered that he was spinning his wheels and that he'd heard the only way to get ahead was "give a little head'. Which he took literally, producing a plastic mannequin head named, well...Head. In the way some things do, this caught fire (the same way football fans will paint their faces or whole upper bodies, you know how it goes) and for a time Al Snow was the most popular guy in ECW and returned to the WWE, where for a time there he was the crazy over (re: really popular) midcarder, but between a glut of talent and how one note the Head gimmick was, eventually fans did get bored of waving around their own mannequin heads. Much like Val Venis, he was very much part of the late 90's "we're so edgy lookit sex jokes aplenty" wrestling period; it wouldn't have worked in any other time period. Though speaking of time periods, beyond that, Snow's biggest contribution to the business was probably being part of maybe the most ridiculously evil Saturday morning cartoon heel run of possibly all of wrestling history, which was the Big Boss Man's run in the latter half of 1999. Now THAT is a story for this thread, and if someone else doesn't tell it I will return to do so.
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Cornwind Evil posted:the most ridiculously evil Saturday morning cartoon heel run of possibly all of wrestling history, which was the Big Boss Man's run in the latter half of 1999. https://i.imgur.com/Wx2NYOZ.mp4 The Big Boss Man used the Bluesmobile to steal the corpse of Big Show's daddy.
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Val Venis's whole shtick was rhyming with penis
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kntfkr posted:Val Venis's whole shtick was rhyming with penis He supposedly a former porn star but they couldn't actually say that on TV so they heavily implied it with his intro video and the vignettes they made before his debut
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My Val Venis is not a Communist. He may be a liar, a pig, an idiot, a Communist, but he is NOT a porn star!
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Big Beef City posted:Tuned back in a bit later for one of the more main events between two people I didn't recognize. Was going on for a while but they were wrestling well. So obviously the best thing that WWE could do was mute the match and do the side-by-side commercial thing while still streaming the match on one half the screen while streaming commercials on the other. I saw that too and that was incredibly annoying.
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WWE games were also weird at times (and absolute garbage during a good chunk of the early Attitude era). Like the time they put Head as its own character, which was just a floating....head and hands and feet. 
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Archer666 posted:WWE games were also weird at times (and absolute garbage during a good chunk of the early Attitude era). Like the time they put Head as its own character, which was just a floating....head and hands and feet. Tbh I had a custom character on one of those games with like saw blades on his arms and drills for hands That poo poo ruled
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i just remembered how long it took me to understand what the announcer meant when they said this fight "is scheduled for one fall." i thought it had something to do with the seasons until one day it just clicked. i haven't watched in a long time, but funny is good. Pennywise the Frown posted:I always liked wrestling, boxing, and MMA games. Also same. I was absurdly good at boxing, for whatever reasons. Or I could just read what my friends would do, and I'd be taking them down with a lightweight vs heavyweight. blight rhino fucked around with this message at 22:10 on Feb 8, 2022 |
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X JAKK posted:https://i.imgur.com/Wx2NYOZ.mp4 That was the first episode of WWF TV I ever watched.
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Big Beef City posted:I watched AEW last night and found it entirely watchable. Probably not enough to get back into wrestling again. But overall? Pretty good. Aew is a good mix of “serious” wrestling and dumb fun. The Halloween match where the heels dressed as ghostbusters was actually super fun to watch, you should check it out
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gbs but from 2004 posted:Aew is a good mix of “serious” wrestling and dumb fun. The Halloween match where the heels dressed as ghostbusters was actually super fun to watch, you should check it out I mentioned at the top of the page that was my match of the year for 2021. One of my top feel-good moments in like 30 years of being a wrestling fan.
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Time_pants posted:I mentioned at the top of the page that was my match of the year for 2021. One of my top feel-good moments in like 30 years of being a wrestling fan. yeah I was gonna mention you brought it up too but I couldn’t find the post for some reason but yeah agreed, it was so good based purely on the onscreen vibe and the small amount I read about aew it seems the atmosphere / vibe for the workers is wayyyyy better and more fun sans mcmahon which is totally unsurprising it must be refreshing to work without insanely bizarre mind games being played with your career on the line I can’t remember where I read it but apparently if you talk to Vince McMahon while he’s hungry he just flips out bagmonkey posted:One touch I love is the commentary is blended between pro announcers like Excalibur, JR and Tony, and talent like Taz or Chris Jericho (he's a chud poo poo head but god drat is he the best on commentary), also Jericho is a chud shithead?? what did he do?
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