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Mokinokaro posted:Yeah I do find that a bit funny but it kind of makes sense? The suits we use for some jobs only hold about half an hours worth of air in the portable tanks and they're still quite unwieldy tanks. The Snowpiercer suit has to not only hold that air but have a mechanism for warming it which I doubt is incredibly efficient. Considering that the train was never originally meant for long term sustainability, but as a fiefdom for Wilford to lord it over, it does make sense. Apparently Wilford was able to put tracks down in North Korea, but you just have to roll with that as part of the concept.
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Carbon dioxide posted:I don't think they changed anything?
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I don't think this show is very good, but it's basically a spaceship show so I'm keeping with it. Also this episode was really good in a way I wasn't anticipating. loving Ruth's internal monologue is like some fantasticly horrible English lit pastiche. "As rough as wetleather". Still astonished to have actors of Alison Wright's calibre in these roles. The show's greatest strength IMO -- Miss Audrey's villain turn is bad in a lot of ways, but it's worth it to watch Lena Hall vamp. On the other hand, it also meant that we had the continuing adventures of LJ throughout season 2 just to give something for Analise Basso to do. Hoping this year she'll be better -- the first season portrayal of the character had a lot of Carmelita Spatts energy, and it'll be good if the show can lean back into that a bit more. Sean Bean continues to be amazing. Glad the show resisted the urge to kill him last year, I really like how big the character is, and how Sean Bean pitches his performance so ferral. He's equal parts Northern Industrialist and Barbarian Conquerer, while the character as depicted draws from everything from fantasy images of excessive consumption (Willy Wonka) to Weimar horror (he's Frankenstein, his girlfriend dresses like a vampire). Also goddamn you, you janky show, for killing Damien Young off-screen. The casting for both the Headwood was way overqualified given the size of their roles, but I was hoping the show would have the opportunity to broaden their roles.
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Open Source Idiom posted:Also goddamn you, you janky show, for killing Damien Young off-screen. The casting for both the Headwood was way overqualified given the size of their roles, but I was hoping the show would have the opportunity to broaden their roles. There's plenty of space for the show to be better but when I consider how much awful television I've watched and where shows, as a whole, are going in terms of "how they entertain" I really actually do think Snowpiercer is a good television. The best perspective to take on it is that it is not trying to be prestige television and in doing so keeps itself grounded, silly, and episodic enough to tell a story in a single episode without the absolute need to binge a season to enjoy a story. Snowpiercer keeps the moment-to-moment story going without sitting on its hands or twiddling its thumbs. Prestige television nowadays turns Ruth's capture, the EMP's discovery and resolution, and LJ's wedding into 3 episodes but with Snowpiercer we get it all in one while also pushing forward the pirate train story and giving us some sweet Train v Train action. Seriously, it's a good show! I'm definitely not just suffering from sunken cost fallacy!
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Sean Bean squeeze the balls
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Feb 2, 2022 00:31
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It's a good show because you can tell everyone involved really gives a poo poo and is having a ton of fun with a silly concept. It's refreshing to see a show like this that isn't just aping Lost or some other prestige show but is definitely just doing its own thing, even with respects to the film. I do think Sean Bean and Alison Wright carry a lot of it, though.
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Feb 2, 2022 01:47
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And Connolly when she was around
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Speaking of Melanie has there been any word if she's coming back or is she definitely a popsicle.
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No official word, but she's definitely coming back. They've been too coy about her return for it to be anything otherwise.
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Open Source Idiom posted:No official word, but she's definitely coming back. They've been too coy about her return for it to be anything otherwise. It is actually really strange that we knew Sean Bean would arrive on the show as Wilford before the first episode even aired, so any question in-show about his whereabouts didn't matter. If they're keeping Melanie's return this much of a secret... it's interesting that they're bothering this time around. Pushes me further into the "not until next season" camp. And again, I wish they just fridged Damien Young. 
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I'm going to flip my coffee table if Jennifer Connelly comes back just for some mystical tree of life dream sequence. The post a few above me is correct in saying this is a spaceship show now. The trains are on rails but they may as well not be. I just had a chuckle when I remembered Wilfred's train coming at them from the side window in season 1. The show is campy and lame but I like it
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I demand more homosexuality
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Feb 3, 2022 01:09
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The way she left the show it definitely didn't feel like it was permanent, especially how important a character she was. I initially assumed it was permanent so I thought it was shittily done
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Not going to lie I did think when they saved the woman in North Korea she was going to be a tankie who would constantly sabotage the revolutionary efforts as it wasn't pure enough. Also call Layton a lib every ten minutes. Still could happen. thrashingteeth fucked around with this message at 08:59 on Feb 4, 2022 |
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thrashingteeth posted:Not going to lie I did think when they saved the woman in North Korea she was going to be a tankie who would constantly sabotage the revolutionary efforts as it wasn't pure enough. Also call Layton a lib every ten minutes. Lol Lmao
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One of the show's strength is how speedy the narrative pace is - you don't have to wait long before the next plot point or character moment comes along.
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Did I fist pump and shout "Yeah!" when LJ stabbed Kevin because I saw it coming a mile away? Yeah I did. Am I enormously distraught that Roche's wife is dead along with Strong Boy? Extremely. Golly what a good episode that was. These last 3 episodes were 1 seasonal arc on any other show. I have no idea what's next and I love it. I really hope the Strong Boy speaking Mandarin thing is maybe gonna get explained with Roche leaving the drawer and the scientist under their control. They had Strong Boy speak Mandarin in this episode so it seems like they aren't completely destroying that plotline after all. Really anything explaining the drawers would be nice. With another 4 cars lost, the "cars long" number now changes again. I'm really looking forward to Ruth and Pike hooking up. Nothing like the two 2nd in commands from old opposing factions hooking up to keep things fun. But seriously, between the cinematography, acting, music, writing, and pacing, this is a damned good show. DaveKap fucked around with this message at 09:58 on Feb 8, 2022 |
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Feb 8, 2022 09:43
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Spoiler tag it if you must but who was that at the end? Or are we not meant to recognize them?
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Spiteski posted:Spoiler tag it if you must but who was that at the end? Or are we not meant to recognize them?
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The Admiral Cain arc is over. The New Caprica arc shall now begin.
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Open Source Idiom posted:The Admiral Cain arc is over. Oh god this is far too accurate.
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I'm actually wondering now if Layton's vision will be connected to the drawers? With the drawers already established as causing odd visions it would tie things together. I loved the song choice with the LJ scene, though that might be because I just have a certain fondness for that tune.
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I absolutely love this show and this season so far was great. It's about a big goddamn train. It should be moving on rails, slowly and you know the destination. I love the creativity of the writing and the pace and that you absolutely don't know where it goes next. To keep the BSG-analogies rolling i'd say i hope Layton's promised land doesn't turn out to be of the Starbuck-from-above category. I also saw LJ turning coat coming from a mile away and i could nothing but LOL in front of my screen because she totally believes that puts her on the winner side now. Kevin should have a much more gruesome death though. Poor strongboi. Another fantastic thing this show does effortlessly is to make you remember all the little side characters.
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I watched the first episode of this when it first came to Netflix and didn't think much (but love the film and the one gnovel I've read). Picked it back up again a week or so ago and just finished the latest episode. Love it, really enjoyed people's posts on it. Great show, so many good things to talk about. Acting, pace, character development and world building are all top notch. I like the moral maturity/depth of the characters. Ppl complaining about Ruth, Osweiller or LJ's redemption arcs are forgetting what happened with the cannibal cult in the tail. People, even the goodest ones like Layton, are willing to do what they have to for peace. Everyone is guilty of horrors but you've got to keep moving forward, in the frozen cold, on a train 1034 cars long.
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Wafflecop posted:I watched the first episode of this when it first came to Netflix and didn't think much (but love the film and the one gnovel I've read). Picked it back up again a week or so ago and just finished the latest episode. Well uh, Ruth, Osweiler and LJ weren't literally starving to death/trying to stop other people starving to death from eating other people. I don't have problem with redemption arcs and Osweiler's is decent but for some reason I can't stand Ruth's and LJ hasn't even redeemed anything, still being a manipulative selfish psycho (former serial killer!). Honestly, right now this show is focusing on and repeating exactly the same things I did not like about Season 2, and if they BSG-gently caress this up I'm going to be so mad. Sean Bean still kills it but Layton's gone from maybe my favorite character in 1 to a wet noodle. I haven't even finished the latest episodes. While earlier I watched them as soon as possible. Am I the only one who thought the quality severely dropped after Season 1? Because in my opinion Season 1 was near perfect while the first half of Season 2 was good and then the plotting/characterization started to take massive hits.
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DarkCrawler posted:Am I the only one who thought the quality severely dropped after Season 1? Because in my opinion Season 1 was near perfect while the first half of Season 2 was good and then the plotting/characterization started to take massive hits. Edit: I just remembered the part where it actually did spin some wheels being a crappy detective drama... but at least it was more of a C-plot than anything else. Season 3 is about equal to Season 2 for me at this point. The amount of begun-and-ended A/B/C plots in the first 3 episodes alone are like the opposite of what S1 had and things are moving swifter than S2, which is appreciated, but the loss of Jennifer Connelly (for now,) Strong Boy, Kevin, and Mr. Headwood, and my rather low interest in this weird mysticism angle sets the season firmly in "as good as" territory relative to S2. It's pretty easy for this to jump back up thanks to the re-introduction of Roche and the rather wild card of Asha but really all the show needs to do is keep up the pace without losing any steam to a lovely jealous Josie plot or an over-exposed Ruth romance plot. I trust the show at this point, again in spite of itself, to do the right thing and continue being entertaining. I hope you enjoyed the train puns in this reply. DaveKap fucked around with this message at 19:53 on Feb 9, 2022 |
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Shout out to snowpiercer who made what many shows would do in a season into half an episode. Love this show.
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Man, I don’t think Layton needed to lie. These people got nothing else. But goddamn I love this poo poo and I wonder how Asha is gonna gently caress things up. She’s insane. Also I hope we get a episode on how the gently caress she survived.
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Yeah... the writing in of "Layton has to get Asha to lie about the final hot spot" does feel very "creating conflict for the sake of TV" but it is really supposed to be two other things: It's a reflection of Layton's current inability to trust his own judgement (this is explained in their little behind-the-season bit I accidentally watched too much of) and a reflection of the train's overall feelings on Wilford leadership. Layton just got back to the train and missed out on a few months of fascism. He can't be 100% sure that Wilford gave people what they wanted or that the people were mad at Layton for taking their eternal engine and the warmth that came with it. He wanted to go the extra mile to ensure that these unknowns were out of the question, so he had Asha lie. It's another one of those things this show can do well sometimes. It'll just do a thing, it might seem weird, but if you decide to think about it, it's easy to explain and makes sense. Which is unlike many other shows where they'll just do a thing, it seems weird, and then when you think about it it makes even less sense. (I say this knowing full well this show has definitely done non-sensible things.)
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Vintersorg posted:Man, I don’t think Layton needed to lie. These people got nothing else. Yeah it was a weird lie, especially when he implied in the speech that the pirate train never made it to New Eden. He could have just said "we found a survivor, people can make it outside the train". I'm curious how she got to North Korea (!) and presumably there's a reason they made a mention of that rather than the more logical choice of South Korea. Archie Panjabi was great in Blindspot, so I'm sure she'll be good in this. The main strength of the show is the casting.
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Once again the speed at which the plot moves surprises me. The episode was called "First blow", they could've easily had a whole episode of filler ending with Snowpiercer almost derailing. RIP Strong Boy and Roche's wife, gently caress Kevin. Also gently caress LJ, hopefully Oz realizes she can't be trusted at all. Even if Layton had to lie, the lie he chose was really bizarre. If she has an extended conversation with anyone it will show. THere were other ways to go with that plan. I hope they don't go any deeper in the "mystical visions" stuff, but of course they have to at least TRY to explain why layton saw the tree. I'm a bit afraid of what they may do.
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Just throwing it out there, but Layton's plan is straight up insanity, and it's astonishing that so many people in his inner circle have just unproblematically sided with the guy. At the very least it's going to cause a massive leadership spill when they turn up and Asha's stories aren't consistent with what they see there -- or, worse, and the place is already somehow populated. Ruth and Pike are an absolute nonsense pairing -- she spent how many years cutting off his friend's arms? -- but their chemistry sells it. Killing off so many characters to an off-screen flu seems really weird when they could just have had Wilfred purge them all. (Unless it's some sort of meta-joke about covid limiting actor availability?) As for the episode... I always think the whole ghosts/hallucinations thing needs to be carefully handled, and I didn't think this was it. Also seems weird that they wouldn't have made more of an effort to recover some of those train cars, but I guess they've got other priorities right now.
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The new episode was weaker than what I'm used to for this show, so I decided to look into why. It's the 5th episode by its director and the 3rd by its cinematographer/director of photography. However, although they have a person doing the majority of cinematography, the only other director to be on board for as many episodes is only 7 episodes deep. In looking up this information, I also discovered that this series has like... 30 writers and 30 producers credited to it. It's absolutely crazy how passed around this thing is. It unfortunately leads to the weaker episodes like this one but perhaps it's the fuel providing as much forward plot traction as we're getting. Although it was a weak episode, it seems like a proper breather after how intense the previous ones have managed to get. Anyway, the bad things about the episode are primarily the fact it was an episode of Dexter, giving Alex, Wilford, and Javi imaginary friends while the consistently-blurred, god-rayed cinematography was dumped onto the screen like a vat of vaseline I couldn't rub out of my eyes. Also killed off-screen: Alex's old friend the last Australian, the other last Australian, and Mama Grande who I had to look up to remember that she was the old lady in the tail. It's a drat shame we're losing decent cast members to a flu... however the gently caress a flu managed to survive that long on the train. Great things, though? Hey, it's Melanie! Nice to have Jennifer Connelly back, even if it does end up being just one episode this season. *cough* It was cute how Alex essentially saw the matrix. It's pretty wild how Alex's inner-mom was so good at giving advice considering how little time they managed to spend together. I also really like that Mrs. Headwood is now sorta like the log lady from Twin Peaks except now she carries her dead husband's shoes everywhere with her. Proper weird. I'm definitely enjoying that Alex has an incredibly complicated relationship with Wilford. As usual, this show does a great job of blurring the lines of good and evil, keeping every character grounded in a grey reality. And lastly, yay Pike and Ruth hooking up. Star-crossed lovers for sure. It is ... kinda hard to believe Pike telling Ruth that she should lead the train, though, considering Ruth was the one doling out many a dis-arming. However, it may be a great show of how powerful the act of giving herself up and allowed her own dis-arming was. Episode weak but show still good. Open Source Idiom posted:As for the episode... I always think the whole ghosts/hallucinations thing needs to be carefully handled, and I didn't think this was it. Open Source Idiom posted:Also seems weird that they wouldn't have made more of an effort to recover some of those train cars, but I guess they've got other priorities right now. DaveKap fucked around with this message at 10:11 on Feb 15, 2022 |
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Thoughts: Steve Ogg seems to get a little typecast sometimes, so its nice to see him play a more complex character. How did flu get into the train if its a closed ecosystem anyway? Them deciding to have Asha lie, rather than just using her a symbol that humans have survived outside the train feels like its going to blow up in Layton's face. That tinderbox feeling is another thing the show excels at. Wilford didn't put any cars in Big Alice that could grow food, but had to have a mad science lab. In theory, with a geothermal power source, could a bunker survive in the freeze? Asha had to come out of that suit sometime. They mentioned that all the bunkers had failed in season 1, but you never know.... OldMemes fucked around with this message at 21:01 on Feb 16, 2022 |
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As for flu, I think it is possible for viruses to be dormant in someone's cells for many years, and then 'wake up' and mutate so that the host doesn't have immunity and neither does anyone else. I think this is more common for viruses that inject their DNA into a host cell's nucleus such as HIV (because DNA can stick around a long time) but perhaps it's possible for flu too.OldMemes posted:In theory, with a geothermal power source, could a bunker survive in the freeze? Instead of directly answering that question I suggest you read the short story "A pail of air" by Fritz Leiber. You can read it for free here: https://www.gutenberg.org/files/51461/51461-h/51461-h.htm It's fiction so it isn't much of a scientific answer but I always found that story some nice food for thought.
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OldMemes posted:In theory, with a geothermal power source, could a bunker survive in the freeze? Asha had to come out of that suit sometime. They mentioned that all the bunkers had failed in season 1, but you never know.... I get a dumb kick out of thinking that, in this universe, Iceland is carrying on entirely as normal, not even really aware anything has changed.
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