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Boxturret posted:imagine if .00006% of all the money that could ever exist was stuck in a hole and you could clearly see it, even throw more in, but it was impossible to get back And that hole's name? Elon Musk
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they actually tried pretty hard to launder the money, but the government basically figured it all out or substantially enough to trace most of the funds someone spent a couple years making charts like this, of which there are a few in the justice department's release today:  the keen eyed will notice they attempted to launder through a internet drugs market that the government gained control of at some point
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Gazpacho posted:This smells like a setup to me. These 2 idiots are just fall guys. Something is up here. Are you really that surprised that Masterfully Secured Crypto could be compromised by two people like that? And if the DOJ got control of the wallets then that's a pretty bad way to set others up to take the fall.
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drk posted:they actually tried pretty hard to launder the money, but the government basically figured it all out or substantially enough to trace most of the funds OOPS! All Feds
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i thought the doj only got like 3 billion of the 4 billion that was stolen
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RPATDO_LAMD posted:i thought the doj only got like 3 billion of the 4 billion that was stolen they felt that was enough to bring charges, but yes they did note they are a flight risk since they very possibly still control hundreds of millions of dollars worth of cryptocurrency also: novamute posted:buttcoin: oops, all feds
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the chart and document makes me think the feds don't have the ability to trace through monero yet - the breakthrough was probably the one line from "VCE 1 account 1" which was pure BTC all the way, and the rest was just filling in pieces once they got the mycrimes.xls
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ymgve posted:the chart and document makes me think the feds don't have the ability to trace through monero yet - the breakthrough was probably the one line from "VCE 1 account 1" which was pure BTC all the way, and the rest was just filling in pieces once they got the mycrimes.xls They did track some Monero transactions made on centralized exchanges where these smart folks KYC'd themselves or their businesses to launder money. They dont say exactly which exchanges these are, but it seems some of them were based in the US or otherwise coordinating with US financial regulators. basically, in addition to taking notes on their crimes, they also got dimed out by exchanges
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The woman’s mother got suspicious that she was jetting all over the world so she wrote an article about secret credit card hacks “THEY” don’t want you to know
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RPATDO_LAMD posted:i thought the doj only got like 3 billion of the 4 billion that was stolen it sounds like these mooks transfered a shitload to various accounts on exchanges, tried to cash out, and then immediately got spooked and stopped responding to emails when the exchanges tried to do any kyc at all. so a bunch of it's in frozen exchange accounts. so already stolen by someone else, probably
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so if I’m understanding correctly the only thing you can do with stolen bitcoins, without getting caught, is delete the private key, or send to an eater address.
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blugu64 posted:so if I’m understanding correctly the only thing you can do with stolen bitcoins, without getting caught, is delete the private key, or send to an eater address. i think you can also hire internet hitmen that are definitely not feds
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don't trust, verify unless it's some guy on a dark web market place that says he'll kill whoever i want, i can trust him
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ymgve posted:the chart and document makes me think the feds don't have the ability to trace through monero yet - the breakthrough was probably the one line from "VCE 1 account 1" which was pure BTC all the way, and the rest was just filling in pieces once they got the mycrimes.xls yeah monero was developed specifically because bitcoin and etherium were too easy for feds to trace child pornography and phenazepam purchases back through no matter how much you laundered it it is the modern krugerrand. if you own some, it's not because you have an academic interest in denomination-free gold coins from south africa
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today's been a great day https://twitter.com/TikTokInvestors/status/1491222732042043393?s=20&t=mQL7HZO6-mdHa06BIlgcCA
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Gazpacho posted:
so what you're saying is the gold plated cube from earlier was part of an ARG for this erotic fan fiction?
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so presumably hacking a bitcoin exchange is illegal. what about the smart contract hacks? like will they go after the guy that drained the $300 mil from the wormhole? or the rug pulls? how much legal trouble can those get you in?
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well if it follows this pattern they get you for fraudulently lying about where you got it when you're trying to sell it. in this case not even that, conspiracy to do so.
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the dumb thing is thinking you can launder bitcoin without using an actual system meant for laundering like monero or an ethereum tornado or whatever. you can't. it's explicitly designed to be traceable. somehow idiots got it in their head that just because your full name and local bank branch transit number isn't on the transactions that means it's anonymous. that just means it takes a few more steps
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what the gently caress is happening today
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did the timeline split and we ended back firmly in 2014 again????
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Gazpacho posted:This smells like a setup to me. These 2 idiots are just fall guys. Something is up here. they can't be this stupid, someone must be explaining it wrong
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Kazinsal posted:the dumb thing is thinking you can launder bitcoin without using an actual system meant for laundering like monero or an ethereum tornado or whatever. our rapping friend even told one of the exchanges that her business accepted crypto payments conveniently a little under the $10k reporting limit, so they had no records of these customers
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for some reason the thing my mind keeps trying to compare lovely white rapper lady to is urkel rapping about wanting to cum https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nZdg0YQxf-8 this is unironically much better, is the thing
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yes i just happen to have "urkel rapping about wanting to cum" in my working memory at all times for easy recall, why do you ask
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drk posted:our rapping friend even told one of the exchanges that her business accepted crypto payments conveniently a little under the $10k reporting limit, so they had no records of these customers Of not is that financial institutions do notice these and do report them if they're frequent enough.
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I played in a pickup game with jaleel white when visiting some friends at ucla and urkel could ball
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Taerkar posted:Of not is that financial institutions do notice these and do report them if they're frequent enough. bitcoin created the concept of if the bank looks in to things over 10k then split it in to smaller chunks to escape detection it's new, never been done before thankyou satoshi nakamoto
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qirex posted:the great thing about structuring payments like that is the mere act of attempting to avoid reporting requirements is a crime in and of itself and the feds don’t need to prove any underlying crimes you’re laundering for to bust you for it when I was a bank teller we had what was allegedly a gas station open a new account and bring in deposits of like $9700 and change in cash daily this lasted for less than a week then we never saw them again
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Boxturret posted:so what you're saying is the gold plated cube from earlier was part of an ARG for this erotic fan fiction?
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qirex posted:steve aoiki's involvement in anything is about as a strong an indicator that it's going to suck as there is, he's up there with david frum and john dvorak in the "constantly wrong about literally everything but still somehow successful" club There's basically a cohort of middling tech writers out there who made their bones writing about tech in the pre-9/11 years only to turn into crackpots and fascism apologists in the years since. For some the laser focus on government surveillance should have been a dead giveaway but Dvorak is just a loving idiot who called everything a stupid bubble and got lucky by reporting on tech where 90% of everything is a stupid bubble. He was just loud enough about it when wrong that people remember stuff like how he's the guy that said the iphone was doomed and when called out on it years later he said he might have been wrong about the iphone but he's definitely right about the ipad being destined for failure and, well,
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Shame Boy posted:the beating heart of decentralization that is an amazing phrase for anyone to use without apparent irony
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Eeyo posted:so presumably hacking a bitcoin exchange is illegal. all the "code is law" proselytising notwithstanding, at the end of the day the people who've acquired crypto currencies or nfts or whatever's being traded via the blockchain by exploiting vulnerabilities in smart contracts (i do so hate that term) do not have any valid legal title to their newfound wealth. nobody had actually intended them to make off with all those assets without any kind of recompense. think of it like this: if you build your own house but you are a complete idiot or lunatic and you end up not adding any locks to your door whatsoever, and someone then walks in and takes anything of value from your house, is that person liable in terms of criminal and/or civil law? the answer is obviously "yes", and i see no reason whatsoever to treat anything related to the blockchain differently (even if everything to do with the blockchain is monumentally stupid and i wish it would all simultaneously explode) as for rug pulls, that's just plain fraud. you start out by making these promises and then absconding with all money or other assets people have given you based on those promises. you might be able to construe a more-or-less valid legal argument that you've done nothing wrong if you actually had not said anything at all about what you were offering or going to do after people had started buying, and if you actually did provide buyers with the assets they could reasonably have expected to receive, and if those assets may be used in whatever fashion the buyers may reasonably have expected, but that's never the case with these rug pulls, is it? it's always "BUY NOW AND FAME AND FORTUNE AND A SHITE GAME AWAIT YOU" and then after the initial sale suddenly everyone finds that the entire project is dead and all money has been drained from its pool and nobody else has any interest whatsoever in whatever you paid for. the key question is basically: were these people deceived? even if the rug puller miraculously had no evil intentions, the buyers would most likely still be entitled to nullify the underlying contract and be refunded if they had specifically been moved to buy the assets because of incorrect representation by the rug puller (i.e. if they would not have decided to buy had the rug puller truthfully said "oh after the initial offering i'll be moving to liechtenstein under a new name so don't expect your [whatever] to be worth anything or useful for anything this time next week")
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