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bobmarleysghost: Mar 7, 2006

JAY ZERO SUM GAME posted:

yeah, super mystifying what changed around 2007 that had anything to do with methane

�oh, says here methane is often referred to as �natural gas,� I wonder,

thanks obama

# ? Feb 8, 2022 22:24

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# ? May 23, 2024 07:00

silicone thrills: Jan 9, 2008; I paint things

Iron Crowned posted:

We definitely hosed those Neanderthals to extinction.

lol funny story about that. my brother and sister and I alway used to joke that we were hella neanderthal - brother had 6 wisdom teeth - big boned, stocky, but healthy and muscular.

so years later we all take one of those DNA tests - (We all figured we were the mailmans kid, turned out one of us was right) anyway it was like "you have a poo poo ton of Neanderthal genes!

so uh yeah. you know. >.>

# ? Feb 8, 2022 22:36

kyojin: Jun 15, 2005; I MASHED THE KEYS AND LOOK WHAT I MADE

Minera posted:

all that methane, escaping into the atmosphere, unburned... so much lost profit... *single tear rolling down cheek*

All those methane

Lost

Into the atmosphere

Like tears

In piss

# ? Feb 8, 2022 22:48

Pryor on Fire: May 14, 2013; they don't know all alien abduction experiences can be explained by people thinking saving private ryan was a documentary

all the fracking rigs just blast methane into the air all day every day, there has never been any attempt to regulate that lmao

random google link:

quote:

According to a recent U.N. study, cutting human-caused methane by 45% this decade would prevent 0.3 degrees Celsius in global warming by the 2040s. But in Colorado, which is home to significant oil and gas resources, such a change of course is nowhere in sight.

Earlier this summer, Colorado�s two Democratic Senators, John Hickenlooper and Michael Bennet, voted in favor of prohibiting the executive branch of the federal government from issuing a ban on hydraulic fracking. Bennet also supported another GOP amendment to prohibit federal methane regulations on livestock farming.

At the state level, Gov. Polis continues to issue new oil and gas permits, and his administration has yet to implement key components of a 2019 bill that redefined the mission of the state�s Colorado Oil and Gas Conservation Commission. The state remains far off track from meeting its stated climate goals.

�Our state has so far fully abdicated its responsibility to limit the production of fossil fuels essentially in any way,� said Duncan Gilchrist, a climate policy analyst for 350 Colorado. �Our state continues with a status quo business as usual approach to permitting new oil and gas wells that continue to spew methane into the atmosphere at a time when we need to be doing the exact opposite.�

While the vast majority of Coloradans support action to address climate change, citizen efforts to limit fracking, oil, and gas have largely fallen short. One 2018 ballot measure, Proposition 112, would have required new oil and gas developments to be at least 2,500 feet from designated vulnerable areas. Following a deluge of spending by the oil and gas industry, voters rejected the measure.

�Oil and gas outspent the coalition that was behind Proposition 112 by 50 to one,� said Gilchrist. �It�s easy to see why it failed.�

# ? Feb 8, 2022 23:11

taqueso: Mar 8, 2004

Iron Crowned posted:

I've never seen it, does the big giant head just spout the N-word as it drops guns?

no spoilers

# ? Feb 8, 2022 23:22

Mola Yam: Jun 18, 2004; Kali Ma Shakti de!

you call it methane

i call it...the life molecule

# ? Feb 9, 2022 00:12

bedpan: Apr 23, 2008

Pryor on Fire posted:

all the fracking rigs just blast methane into the air all day every day, there has never been any attempt to regulate that lmao

random google link:

quote:

While the vast majority of Coloradans support action to address climate change, citizen efforts to limit fracking, oil, and gas have largely fallen short. One 2018 ballot measure, Proposition 112, would have required new oil and gas developments to be at least 2,500 feet from designated vulnerable areas. Following a deluge of spending by the oil and gas industry, voters rejected the measure.

lmao that this is what is offered as a solution. move it 2500 feet further.

# ? Feb 9, 2022 00:20

Lost Time: Sep 28, 2012; All necessities, provided. All anxieties, tranquilized. All boredom, amused.

kyojin posted:

All those methane

Lost

Into the atmosphere

Like farts

In shits

slightly fixed

# ? Feb 9, 2022 00:26

skooma512: Feb 8, 2012; You couldn't grok my race car, but you dug the roadside blur.

https://twitter.com/NWSLosAngeles/status/1490815516881010690?s=20&t=ugaD_XAlXv0OgcMXUuiruQ

You know, just normal February weather. Also barely any rain last month and probably the same this one too, these are supposed to be the wettest months of the year.

# ? Feb 9, 2022 00:31

SniperWoreConverse: Mar 20, 2010; Gun Saliva

Lost Time posted:

slightly fixed

skooma512 posted:

https://twitter.com/NWSLosAngeles/status/1490815516881010690?s=20&t=ugaD_XAlXv0OgcMXUuiruQ

You know, just normal February weather. Also barely any rain last month and probably the same this one too, these are supposed to be the wettest months of the year.

Time to fry

# ? Feb 9, 2022 00:37

JAY ZERO SUM GAME: Oct 18, 2005; Walter.
I know you know how to do this.
Get up.

skooma512 posted:

https://twitter.com/NWSLosAngeles/status/1490815516881010690?s=20&t=ugaD_XAlXv0OgcMXUuiruQ

You know, just normal February weather. Also barely any rain last month and probably the same this one too, these are supposed to be the wettest months of the year.

what the gently caress

# ? Feb 9, 2022 00:47

Harry Potter on Ice: Nov 4, 2006; IF IM NOT BITCHING ABOUT HOW SHITTY MY LIFE IS, REPORT ME FOR MY ACCOUNT HAS BEEN HIJACKED

Palm trees are candles in the murder wind

# ? Feb 9, 2022 00:56

Homeless Friend: Jul 16, 2007

T-Paine posted:

https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-022-00312-2

bad

lol no wonder that first ecoshock ep somebody posted about itt was on methane

# ? Feb 9, 2022 00:59

Complications: Jun 19, 2014

skooma512 posted:

https://twitter.com/NWSLosAngeles/status/1490815516881010690?s=20&t=ugaD_XAlXv0OgcMXUuiruQ

You know, just normal February weather. Also barely any rain last month and probably the same this one too, these are supposed to be the wettest months of the year.

It sure looks like it takes a while to power up an arkstorm but I'm sure we'll get the rain. Eventually. All at once.

# ? Feb 9, 2022 01:01

T-Paine: Dec 12, 2007; Sitting in the Costco food court unmasked, Bible in hand, reading my favorite Psalms to my five children: Abel, Bethany, Carlos, Carlos, and Carlos.

Wintertime heat stress is a possibility

Wintertime heat stress is a possibility

# ? Feb 9, 2022 01:10

The Protagonist: Jun 29, 2009; The average is 5.5? I thought it was 4. This is very unsettling.

So like... When summer rolls around and the mother of all heat waves hits and persists until everyone running ac full tilt for weeks burns out the electric grid...

What am I talking about this is crazy doomer poo poo right? This probably won't happen this year

# ? Feb 9, 2022 01:33

rabble rabble: Mar 24, 2015; Nap Ghost

The Protagonist posted:

So like... When summer rolls around and the mother of all heat waves hits and persists until everyone running ac full tilt for weeks burns out the electric grid...

What am I talking about this is crazy doomer poo poo right? This probably won't happen this year

The night passed. Only the very brightest stars were visible, blurs swimming overhead. A moonless night. Satellites passing overhead, east to west, west to east, even once north to south. People were watching, they knew what was happening. They knew but they didn�t act. Couldn�t act. Didn�t act. Nothing to do, nothing to say. Many years passed for Frank that night. When the sky lightened, at first to a gray that looked like clouds, but then was revealed to be only a clear and empty sky, he stirred. His fingertips were all pruney. He had been poached, slow-boiled, he was a cooked thing. It was hard to raise his head even an inch. Possibly he would drown here. The thought caused him to exert himself. He dug his elbows in, raised himself up. His limbs were like cooked spaghetti draping his bones, but his bones moved of their own accord. He sat up. The air was still hotter than the water. He watched sunlight strike the tops of the trees on the other side of the lake; it looked like they were bursting into flame. Balancing his head carefully on his spine, he surveyed the scene. Everyone was dead.

# ? Feb 9, 2022 01:40

Perry Mason Jar: Feb 24, 2006; "Della? Take a lid"

The Protagonist posted:

So like... When summer rolls around and the mother of all heat waves hits and persists until everyone running ac full tilt for weeks burns out the electric grid...

What am I talking about this is crazy doomer poo poo right? This probably won't happen this year

Oh sweet war flashbacks of the city pool during a summer blackout I didn't even know I had.

# ? Feb 9, 2022 01:43

Perry Mason Jar: Feb 24, 2006; "Della? Take a lid"

Perry Mason Jar has issued a correction as of 01:58 on Feb 9, 2022

# ? Feb 9, 2022 01:43

SniperWoreConverse: Mar 20, 2010; Gun Saliva

rabble rabble posted:

The night passed. Only the very brightest stars were visible, blurs swimming overhead. A moonless night. Satellites passing overhead, east to west, west to east, even once north to south. People were watching, they knew what was happening. They knew but they didn�t act. Couldn�t act. Didn�t act. Nothing to do, nothing to say. Many years passed for Frank that night. When the sky lightened, at first to a gray that looked like clouds, but then was revealed to be only a clear and empty sky, he stirred. His fingertips were all pruney. He had been poached, slow-boiled, he was a cooked thing. It was hard to raise his head even an inch. Possibly he would drown here. The thought caused him to exert himself. He dug his elbows in, raised himself up. His limbs were like cooked spaghetti draping his bones, but his bones moved of their own accord. He sat up. The air was still hotter than the water. He watched sunlight strike the tops of the trees on the other side of the lake; it looked like they were bursting into flame. Balancing his head carefully on his spine, he surveyed the scene. Everyone was dead.

"One of BARACK OBAMA'S favorite books"

# ? Feb 9, 2022 02:06

Grand Theft Autobot: Feb 28, 2008; I'm something of a fucking idiot myself

God will sort all of this out. Climates change all the time. God wouldn't let anything bad happen to us.

# ? Feb 9, 2022 02:14

Spime Wrangler: Feb 23, 2003; Because we can.

SniperWoreConverse posted:

"One of BARACK OBAMA'S favorite books"

he loves it when people write about his success

# ? Feb 9, 2022 02:22

T-Paine: Dec 12, 2007; Sitting in the Costco food court unmasked, Bible in hand, reading my favorite Psalms to my five children: Abel, Bethany, Carlos, Carlos, and Carlos.

say it with me now
https://twitter.com/NPR/status/1491211529475309571

# ? Feb 9, 2022 02:32

FistEnergy: Nov 3, 2000; DAY CREW: WORKING HARD; Fun Shoe

West coast summer is gonna be brutal with the total disappearance of winter rain huh

# ? Feb 9, 2022 02:35

BUSH 2112: Sep 17, 2012; I lie awake, staring out at the bleakness of Megadon.

SniperWoreConverse posted:

"One of BARACK OBAMA'S favorite books"

i was reading the excerpt and thinking that it was really familiar, and i realized i'd heard the author read that section of the book on NPR lol

# ? Feb 9, 2022 02:39

i say swears online: Mar 4, 2005

BUSH 2112 posted:

i was reading the excerpt and thinking that it was really familiar, and i realized i'd heard the author read that section of the book on NPR lol

i read the plot synopsis and his victorious solutions to climate change were an international carbon credit and technological advances. the main character goes to international banks to explain how their bottom line will be affected and they go along with the plan

# ? Feb 9, 2022 02:43

Ansar Santa: Jul 12, 2012

i say swears online posted:

i read the plot synopsis and his victorious solutions to climate change were an international carbon credit and technological advances. the main character goes to international banks to explain how their bottom line will be affected and they go along with the plan

Yeah, i found it kind of fell apart towards the end with all these depressingly implausible good things happening. But it starts real strong. It has one scene where a factory fishing trawler manned by slaves is boarded by eco terrorists. They rescue the slaves and scuttle the ship.

quote:

You�re killing them? we asked the sailor nearest us.

He said, They�ve got life rafts, right?

We don�t know, we said. Inflatables, you mean?

Yeah.

I guess so.

So, they�ll either get those inflated and over the side or they won�t. If they don�t, they�ll get what�s coming to them. We�ll post film of it on sites that other fishermen will see. If they get off in a life raft, they can try to make it to land. If they manage that, they can tell the story of what happened to whoever will listen. Either way, the point will be made.

So that meant these people were probably not police. That was not a good thing, but it wasn�t as if we could choose who saved us.

What�s the point? we asked.

No more fishing.

Good, we said.

# ? Feb 9, 2022 02:48

Harry Potter on Ice: Nov 4, 2006; IF IM NOT BITCHING ABOUT HOW SHITTY MY LIFE IS, REPORT ME FOR MY ACCOUNT HAS BEEN HIJACKED

T-Paine posted:

say it with me now
https://twitter.com/NPR/status/1491211529475309571

Everest is gonna be a big rock in 30 years lol

# ? Feb 9, 2022 03:25

Spime Wrangler: Feb 23, 2003; Because we can.

i say swears online posted:

i read the plot synopsis and his victorious solutions to climate change were an international carbon credit and technological advances

he went on chapo to talk about it and he said the book was an exercise in trying to lay out a possible solution - any solution. definitely only a partially successful effort.

it's pretty obvious where the exercise took him when ecoterrorism (shown to only be effective when it's doing things like knocking planes out of the sky or freeing slaves) suddenly disappeared as a major factor halfway through the book and he was like "well maybe a new religion, and central banks... and china... maybe... but everyone who matters will be targeted for assassination by capital and only survive with luck and state backing."

i doubt he's interested in or really capable of writing an extended down-in-the-weeds description of the multidecade guerilla war he hints at. he just needed to give a few examples and show one would be necessary to make existing world systems seek a new equilibrium. most of the actual violence seems to happen semi-off-screen in his books while he focuses on the social/economic/political systems that might arise to enable postwar stability (as tenuous as that last bit was this time around).

KSR is pretty radicalized i think, but self-defines his job as an SF writer as imagining optimistic, plausible outcomes and there aren't a lot of ways to do that here. i think he probably sees ending capitalism as a key part of a real solution but thinks it's even less likely than carboncrypto creating a net-negative economy. which is probably true, lol.

# ? Feb 9, 2022 03:31

mahershalalhashbaz: Jul 22, 2021; by Pragmatica
(and can't post for 12 days!)

silicone thrills posted:

lol funny story about that. my brother and sister and I alway used to joke that we were hella neanderthal - brother had 6 wisdom teeth - big boned, stocky, but healthy and muscular.

so years later we all take one of those DNA tests - (We all figured we were the mailmans kid, turned out one of us was right) anyway it was like "you have a poo poo ton of Neanderthal genes!

so uh yeah. you know. >.>

lol

# ? Feb 9, 2022 03:57

Mola Yam: Jun 18, 2004; Kali Ma Shakti de!

T-Paine posted:

Expect the narrative to really quickly switch from "we need to do what little token gestures we can to avoid the worst of locked-in climate change" to "well it's here, suck it up, we might as well take advantage of it while we still can because if we don't China or Russia will"

this is how it will go

you can already see it, not among the governments and corporations, but with people who are pretty clued-up on what's coming. "gonna go see the reefs/forests/glaciers before they're gone!" "better do that round-the-world trip before air travel becomes too expensive again!" "gotta get to this remote spot and appreciate the remoteness before it's overrun with people!"

for those who are able to grab the treats now, while they're still there, it's just human nature, for all but the most ascetic.

# ? Feb 9, 2022 04:54

Rime: Nov 2, 2011; by Games Forum

Spime Wrangler posted:

he went on chapo to talk about it and he said the book was an exercise in trying to lay out a possible solution - any solution. definitely only a partially successful effort.

it's pretty obvious where the exercise took him when ecoterrorism (shown to only be effective when it's doing things like knocking planes out of the sky or freeing slaves) suddenly disappeared as a major factor halfway through the book and he was like "well maybe a new religion, and central banks... and china... maybe... but everyone who matters will be targeted for assassination by capital and only survive with luck and state backing."

i doubt he's interested in or really capable of writing an extended down-in-the-weeds description of the multidecade guerilla war he hints at. he just needed to give a few examples and show one would be necessary to make existing world systems seek a new equilibrium. most of the actual violence seems to happen semi-off-screen in his books while he focuses on the social/economic/political systems that might arise to enable postwar stability (as tenuous as that last bit was this time around).

KSR is pretty radicalized i think, but self-defines his job as an SF writer as imagining optimistic, plausible outcomes and there aren't a lot of ways to do that here. i think he probably sees ending capitalism as a key part of a real solution but thinks it's even less likely than carboncrypto creating a net-negative economy. which is probably true, lol.

It's always the same arc in a KSR book. Mars trilogy was the same: Starts off with the first book being a gritty in-the-weeds account of a colony rebelling against colonial powers in the space age, ends up in the third with utopian Mondragon-knockoff economics theory wanking and some dude running ultramarathons around Mars.

Earth being graphically turbofucked by climate disasters is the other constant in all his writing.

I really thought he'd broken out of this cycle when I read the first half of MFTF, but nope, the solution is just Bitcoin. :cripes:

# ? Feb 9, 2022 05:33

Spime Wrangler: Feb 23, 2003; Because we can.

more like your momdragon deez nuts

# ? Feb 9, 2022 06:01

Spime Wrangler: Feb 23, 2003; Because we can.

honestly i was a little surprised with how receptive matt "we've already decided the answer is genocide" christman was to KSR's "hope and community above all things" perspective when they had the interview/he reviewed the book. feels like his recent project of tracing the interplay of american religion and capitalism is rooted in that discussion and i'm interested to see if he eventually synthesizes something cool.

# ? Feb 9, 2022 06:13

Xaris: Jul 25, 2006; Lucky there's a family guy
Lucky there's a man who positively can do
All the things that make us
Laugh and cry

Spime Wrangler posted:

honestly i was a little surprised with how receptive matt "we've already decided the answer is genocide" christman was to KSR's "hope and community above all things" perspective when they had the interview/he reviewed the book. feels like his recent project of tracing the interplay of american religion and capitalism is rooted in that discussion and i'm interested to see if he eventually synthesizes something cool.

matt started getting his balls drained which means he's now an optimist. empty sack = happy matt

# ? Feb 9, 2022 06:22