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Yeah that's not quite right, more their coexistence in the same space rather than CSPAM being for anything other than posting
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Feb 9, 2022 10:00
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cspam is for lovers OF DEATH
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Feb 9, 2022 10:04
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Gravid Topiary posted:i'm really looking forward to summer 2022 *ironically quits smoking again*
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Feb 9, 2022 10:06
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Gravid Topiary posted:i'm really looking forward to summer 2022 Me too I wanna do picnics in the park 
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Feb 9, 2022 10:31
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Car Hater posted:You know, I am somewhat amazed that the "we're going extinct" thread lives in the subforum for managerial-socialist optimism of the will types yeah bizarre how it's right next to the cyberpunk dystopia thread, the doomsday economics thread, the US balkanization/civil war thread, the democrats will be destroyed in 2022 thread, the elon musk thread, the covid thread, the crypto scam thread, the NYT/lib media thread, the weather apocalypse thread, the death to cars thread, the rising neonazi movement thread, the international pedo cabal thread, the troop hate megathread, the guillotine thread, or the fall of US empire thread. i don't get it!
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Feb 9, 2022 10:33
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LionArcher posted:this is possibly one of the best posts in this thread. thank you. meditation can get you to tap into this too if you focus on it right. A Brief Retrospective on Humans The view from the Post-Holocene is spectacular! Now that you’re finally here with me, shall I try to evince its contours to you once again? Listen: The only purpose any sapient being could ever possibly have after becoming sapient is to master its environment, establishing a regulatable metabolism with its enabling conditions that reproduce those same conditions, thus ensuring that species’ long term survival. All other purposes are secondary to this, or all other purposes are devoured by time’s gaping maw. This is the way of things. This way, and not some other. I will call the hypothetical society that could (even begin to attempt to try to) do anything like this – socialism. Capitalism cannot do this because capitalism’s resources/capital/labor allocation mechanism is, well, just a mechanism! (And a horrendously-malfunctioning-for-decades-now mechanism at that). Socialism could try to do this, because it would be able to allocate resources/capital/labor with conscious forethought in a non-mechanical way, for a greater purpose than number-go-up. This society is the only industrialized society that could or would ever have a chance of lasting more than a few short centuries, or at getting out of the gravity well. Now, every human being who has ever lived has had the choice to take up this ur-purpose, doubly so after Marx. After Marx we knew, and could no longer honestly pretend that we didn’t know. There were no more excuses, there was only ever one meaningful choice to make: socialism, or extinction. We didn’t choose socialism, so like – there’s just not that much to mourn here! We did it to ourselves. We are now an evolutionary dead end. Nothing this stupid, shortsighted, dishonest and selfish could, would, or should ever have existed for very long – and now, we don’t anymore! So it goes. This is just how the universe works, and it is endlessly surprising to find oneself living in a very just universe indeed. This poo poo is as linear and mechanical as Newtonian physics. You could teach it to a dog! Infinite growth machine economy + finite planet = ??? Make no mistake – this may have been an extinction/extermination event for the biosphere, but it was a suicide for the species. It only happened because you were a conformist/careerist instead of an activist/revolutionary, as were your parents, as were theirs, and so on. It was possible to see this poo poo coming straight at us for two loving centuries, but we didn’t just ignore it, we accelerated right off the cliff. Justice. And ‘to each their own enjoyment’? Ethically unconscionable if one’s enjoyment is had at the expense of others – and there was never any enjoyment to be had that wasn’t. Unfathomably reprehensible if that enjoyment comes at the expense of there being a future – and there was never any enjoyment to be had that didn’t. Enjoy! Enjoy! Enjoy! The prosopopoeia of ecocide. If the entire world had been on socialist transition track by the 60s, we might still have hundreds, maybe even thousands of years of human civilization left. The G8 (mostly America) deliberately and viciously hosed that right up for everyone, and now we’re goners. Most of the carbon in the atmosphere now was put there by the Cores, and most of it wasn’t there in 1945. There wasn’t any plastic around then either. It took just a few short decades of the so-called ‘Pax Americana’ to eradicate an entire biosphere. ‘Peace, peace’ they said! But there was never any peace to speak of. In the Post-Holocene it is very clear: capitalism was a war against everything, including itself. A systematic extermination of every living thing under the guise of ‘peace’. That the mass extinction event fell the hardest and fastest on the innocent younger generations and the oppressed and ravaged global south is a bitter pill, but it came for us all regardless. Even the last humans left alive, probably the billionaires in their bunkers, were ultimately just as helpless against biosphere collapse as anyone else was. There’s really just a very narrow window of biosphere parameters under which it is possible for mammalian life to exist. That’s all over now – likely forever, as there’s really no necessity for it to ever return. The whole shebang turned out to be incredibly fragile in the end – and there was absolutely nowhere to flee. Space colonization was an absurd phantasm, Star Trek canceled before it even aired. So, we sucked, we hosed it all up – and then we died, taking everything with us. Womp. There are still some things about us worth mourning tho. That we produced art, well, it was our highest and noblest achievement! That we produced revolutionaries, well, they were the best of us! That we were once able to love and love well – this was purpose enough all in itself. That we did science, well – it was awesome, and it would have been cool to see where it went. But by choosing extinction, we retroactively canceled ourselves out of having ever existed in the first place. It was all for nothing. From nothing, through nothing, to nothing. – the human story But you! My Comrade! You are something different. By staring the horror in the face without flinching, by having the courage to think for yourself – you have proven to yourself that there was something worthwhile in humanity; because there was something worthwhile in you all along. Something worth fighting for. I’m glad you get to die knowing that. I’m glad you get to die with a free mind. emTme3 has issued a correction as of 11:12 on Feb 9, 2022 |
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Feb 9, 2022 11:07
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JeremoudCorbynejad posted:Me too I wanna do picnics in the park you know what, so do I, everyone here should
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Feb 9, 2022 11:08
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Egg Moron posted:Zardoz is great. It owns the libs so loving hard. actually i don't want us to be saved
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Feb 9, 2022 11:29
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emTme3 posted:A Brief Retrospective on Humans I'm gonna be a prick but no, socialism could not have broken the growth mandate. There is no viable industrialism. There is no possible steady-state in this universe. Entropy forbids it. Materialism forbids it. If you build a machine that converts fuel to work, and desire to maintain that amount of work, a perpetual increase in energy throughput in the system the machine is part of is necessary for the machine's maintenance and replacement. Entropy wears the machine down and demands you service it before the machine generates more energy than was used to create it. An unconstrained system is the system that self-selects best because it maximizes that growth rate, but there is always going to be a non-negotiable minimum growth requirement. E; didn't realize it was you, Splisyphus. Love ya man, keep shining Car Hater has issued a correction as of 13:36 on Feb 9, 2022 |
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Feb 9, 2022 12:29
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i say swears online posted:yeah bizarre how it's right next to the cyberpunk dystopia thread, the doomsday economics thread, the US balkanization/civil war thread, the democrats will be destroyed in 2022 thread, the elon musk thread, the covid thread, the crypto scam thread, the NYT/lib media thread, the weather apocalypse thread, the death to cars thread, the rising neonazi movement thread, the international pedo cabal thread, the troop hate megathread, the guillotine thread, or the fall of US empire thread. i don't get it! Lol that's not what I meant really, but it is more evidence in a way. I feel weird that despite all proof otherwise, there's still, in the same space, a belief that it could have gone differently. I don't buy that. This, in my estimation, is the inevitable fate of all sapient life.
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Feb 9, 2022 12:34
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Car Hater posted:You know, I am somewhat amazed that the "we're going extinct" thread lives in the subforum for managerial-socialist optimism of the will types 
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Feb 9, 2022 12:38
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i say swears online posted:yeah bizarre how it's right next to the cyberpunk dystopia thread, the doomsday economics thread, the US balkanization/civil war thread, the democrats will be destroyed in 2022 thread, the elon musk thread, the covid thread, the crypto scam thread, the NYT/lib media thread, the weather apocalypse thread, the death to cars thread, the rising neonazi movement thread, the international pedo cabal thread, the troop hate megathread, the guillotine thread, or the fall of US empire thread. i don't get it! man i gotta read more threads
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Feb 9, 2022 12:42
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Car Hater posted:I'm gonna be a prick but no, socialism could not have broken the growth mandate. There is no viable industrialism. There is no possible steady-state in this universe. Entropy forbids it. Materialism forbids it. several “characters” in Daniel Quinn’s novels (I use quote marks because the books are so didactic that his characters can barely be called such) mention that few people hate his anti-agricultural theories as much as the marxists. he never goes into detail as to why but I figured it was something similar to the above. socialism isn’t an alternative, just a rebranding of the same wretched enterprise. one is “everything for us,” one is “everything for me”
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Feb 9, 2022 13:28
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in terms of the raw physics i really believe a steady state sustainable existence of less than 1B people was possible but it would require us to live at a level of industrialization that most people right now would find intolerable with completely egalitarian social groups so where we are at now was probably inevitable
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Feb 9, 2022 13:31
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pff with fission, solar, wind, and trains? we could have been fine at current population levels but not in a way that makes number go up
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Feb 9, 2022 13:35
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https://www.cnn.com/2022/02/07/weather/category-6-hurricane-wxn/index.htmlquote:Preparing for Category 6 hurricanes, a new facility will test winds of 200 mph and storm surge
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Feb 9, 2022 14:05
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SniperWoreConverse posted:idk in more helpful terms i guess my parents have some kind of authority complex. holy gently caress this so much. god drat
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Feb 9, 2022 14:18
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Oxxidation posted:several “characters” in Daniel Quinn’s novels (I use quote marks because the books are so didactic that his characters can barely be called such) mention that few people hate his anti-agricultural theories as much as the marxists. he never goes into detail as to why but I figured it was something similar to the above. socialism isn’t an alternative, just a rebranding of the same wretched enterprise. one is “everything for us,” one is “everything for me” I like Quinn, but I do think Marxism is a path towards the "Tree Of Life" ideology he proposes at the end of Ishmael. Or rather, I don't see a path towards achieving a "Tree Of Life" existence for humans on this planet THROUGH industrialization that doesn't involve a Marxist revolution in one way or another. (I don't see that path at all now, but I mean in a 're-writing of the 19th and 20th centuries' sort of way)
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Feb 9, 2022 15:17
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emTme3 posted:That we produced art, well, it was our highest and noblest achievement! yeah I dig music
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Feb 9, 2022 15:32
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https://www.channel4.com/news/huge-profits-but-oil-giant-admits-to-paying-zero-tax-in-north-seaquote:Huge profits but oil giant admits to paying zero tax in North Sea money? Oil have some of that
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Feb 9, 2022 16:55
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I've noticed that plastics all look alike. Take some clear packing tape and twist it in the sunlight. Slowly spin a plastic container until the cold room lighting splits into colors. The same sickly rainbow pops out of all of them, dominated by violet and greenish yellow. Oil slicks everywhere I look. I feel as if I need to stare at a piece of glass afterward to remember color.
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Feb 9, 2022 18:26
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 newscasters should sign off the end of the day with the CO2 ppm, like the monologue at the start of every episode of the snowpiercer series where they say how long the train currently is
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Feb 9, 2022 18:58
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lmao if we finally get within the sight of the finishing line of fusion, right before our civilization collapses https://twitter.com/thetimes/status/1491427112166830087
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Feb 9, 2022 19:08
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Maximo Roboto posted:lmao if we finally get within the sight of the finishing line of fusion, right before our civilization collapses no u see it can save everyone still around 30-50 years from now
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Feb 9, 2022 19:15
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it would have been cool to at least gotten the current bullshit without the actual brain poisoning.
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Feb 9, 2022 19:16
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Maximo Roboto posted:lmao if we finally get within the sight of the finishing line of fusion, right before our civilization collapses we're going to get civilizational collapse but the brits will become morlocks
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Feb 9, 2022 19:39
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Good morning, everyone! https://twitter.com/NWSLosAngeles/status/1491481482895900674
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Feb 9, 2022 19:46
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"Midwinter Spring is it's own season"
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Feb 9, 2022 19:52
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Hmmm Seems like just more spring and less winter but I'm not a seasonologist
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Feb 9, 2022 19:54
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https://www.commondreams.org/news/2022/02/09/scientists-fear-soaring-methane-levels-show-climate-feedback-loop-has-arrived https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-022-00312-2 "Euan Nisbet, an Earth scientist at Royal Holloway, University of London, told Nature that "methane levels are growing dangerously fast" as powerful countries around the world refuse to end the extraction of coal, natural gas, and other sources of the pollutant. "Is warming feeding the warming? It's an incredibly important question," said Nisbet. "As yet, no answer, but it very much looks that way." 
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Feb 9, 2022 20:12
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quote:By studying methane trapped decades or centuries ago in ice cores and accumulated snow, as well as gas in the atmosphere, they have been able to show that for two centuries after the start of the Industrial Revolution the proportion of methane containing 13C increased. But since 2007, when methane levels began to rise more rapidly again, the proportion of methane containing 13C began to fall (see ‘The rise and fall of methane’). Some researchers believe that this suggests that much of the increase in the past 15 years might be due to microbial sources, rather than the extraction of fossil fuels.
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Feb 9, 2022 20:18
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don’t care, still blaming Obama 
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Feb 9, 2022 20:21
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derp
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Feb 9, 2022 20:50
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Mola Yam posted:cspam is for lovers I love the little death
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Feb 9, 2022 21:21
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kecske posted:
St. Peter is going to use this in our trial to send us all to hell. And he'll be right to do so.
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Feb 9, 2022 21:23
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The Wisest Moron posted:I love the little death I'll take a medium death with a side of potato wedges
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Feb 9, 2022 21:26
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SKULL.GIF posted:we're going to get civilizational collapse but the brits will become morlocks become?
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Feb 9, 2022 21:34
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everyone please stay calm, the economists will save us
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Feb 9, 2022 21:40
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does the 'mostly from microbial sources' part (if accurate) not suggest that self-perpetuating feedback has begun?
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Feb 9, 2022 22:17
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kecske posted:does the 'mostly from microbial sources' part (if accurate) not suggest that self-perpetuating feedback has begun? oh i figured it meant cattle
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Feb 9, 2022 22:48
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