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Spermando posted:Remember... the sock king.
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Jewmanji posted:What I’m saying though is that the notion that Paul doesn’t exert any control over them is a bit of a farce that Paul relies on to absolve himself of responsibility. Possibly, but remember that the books establish that Prescience determines the future - the act of observing reduces all possible futures into a single outcome, and Herbert really hammers home that no, what Paul is doing is the only thing he CAN do. He can only ride the wave, hence him being such a mopey bitch in Messiah. Yeah, he's got ultimate, absolute power in the empire, but only within the confines of this particular thread of fate. The books kinda/sorta tackle the issue of deviating from that - "what if Paul just....didn't, and hosed off back to the desert with Chani", but always implies that the alternatives would be far worse. Maybe that's one way to interpret prescience as predestination - it isn't necessarily that the illusion of free will dissipates utterly in the face of prescient vision, but that when you understand all the possible outcomes, you are compelled to choose a single path. Additionally, as the author, Herbert dictates that there are no good outcomes, at least not in the short term. Paul is merely an actor at the fulcrum of historical forces with millennia of momentum behind them, and that momentum WILL be spent and released one way or another. So Paul does what he must, because he is compelled to. He allows the jihad, and all that entails. I might take issue with that, imagine that I could have acted differently in Paul's place, but that's how Herbert describes him and his place in the universe. McKilligan fucked around with this message at 03:13 on Feb 9, 2022 |
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Historical Matre-ialism.
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I think the way prescience works in Dune is great. Paul exerted varying levels of "gravity" across the events of the book, increasing as he ingested more spice. I imagine it works kinda like mass accruing exponentially, trapping the fates of more and more people and being able to bring lesser precogs into his orbit. I wish Fenring was explored more in that view. Did he successfully turn away from using his powers? Was he completely locked, but in a much "comfier" route than basically everybody else? Did he foresee the events Paul precipitated and preemptively maneuver himself into a chill life?
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precision posted:yall trippin nightmare alley fuckin owned actually I think it is *you* that be trippin. like, literally. you are a known junkie and none of your opinions are to be trusted
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McKilligan posted:
There's also the thing about Leto II being a more powerful oracle, to the point that Paul can't even see him that I think factors into this. Grei Skuring posted:I think the way prescience works in Dune is great. Paul exerted varying levels of "gravity" across the events of the book, increasing as he ingested more spice. I imagine it works kinda like mass accruing exponentially, trapping the fates of more and more people and being able to bring lesser precogs into his orbit. I wish Fenring was explored more in that view. Did he successfully turn away from using his powers? Was he completely locked, but in a much "comfier" route than basically everybody else? Did he foresee the events Paul precipitated and preemptively maneuver himself into a chill life? While I agree that it would've been interesting to focus some on him, I think we can guess that what he knew of the Kwizats Hadarach was probably learned through his extensive spy network, although the fact that Paul couldn't see him and could only see the knife he wielded in his prescience probably suggests that he had at least a little bit of oracular powers?
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They can make synthetic eyes are you honestly telling me they couldn't make a synthetic dong?? Just make a ghola lol
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Colonel Cancer posted:They can make synthetic eyes are you honestly telling me they couldn't make a synthetic dong?? Just make a ghola lol The coward.
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it's just a scale replica of himself "leto jr"
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Spermando posted:Remember... the sock THE SOCK THE SOCK THE SOCK
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kalel posted:actually I think it is *you* that be trippin. junkie? nah. i just smoke a lot of weed. used to love acid but haven't had any in a couple years. haha
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When I think junkie I think coke, meth, opiates or melange. Anything else is recreational *guzzles reverend mother home brew that makes group sex with unwashed psychos bearable*
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kiimo posted:When I think junkie I think coke, meth, opiates or melange. Anything else is recreational Sounds like my semuta habit is a-ok then
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calling my uncle who slams a couple of Miller lites when he gets home a "beer junkie"
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kalel posted:calling my uncle who slams a couple of Miller lites when he gets home a "beer junkie" He's only a junkie if he comes from the Puket province of Thailand, otherwise he's just a sparkling alcoholic
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Caught you knockin at my sietch's door I love you baby can I have some more ooooo ooooo the reverend nun She held a box and said insert your hand I watched the needle take another man Gone, gone, the reverend nun I sing the song along with gurney man I know that some of you don't understand Milk cats to keep from running out I've seen the needle and the reverend nun A little animal in everyone But every junkie's like a settin' sun
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Regarding THE SOCK, would any knowledgeable threadpersons care to explain the logistics of on-screen nudity? Like I assumed Oscar was just naked in an uncomfortable chair but apparently there's socks involved??
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Tree Bucket posted:Regarding THE SOCK, would any knowledgeable threadpersons care to explain the logistics of on-screen nudity? Like I assumed Oscar was just naked in an uncomfortable chair but apparently there's socks involved?? They give you a flesh colored sock to stick on your dick and balls (think Red Hot Chili Peppers style) so you’re not just hanging dong in front of the whole crew, it leaves just a touch up to the imagination.
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Tree Bucket posted:Regarding THE SOCK, would any knowledgeable threadpersons care to explain the logistics of on-screen nudity? Like I assumed Oscar was just naked in an uncomfortable chair but apparently there's socks involved?? If your character is supposed to be naked but dong is not intended to show onscreen, then you get a thing to wear on your schlong. I have a weirdly perfect memory of being introduced by the concept by the DVD commentary of Underworld
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Tree Bucket posted:Regarding THE SOCK, would any knowledgeable threadpersons care to explain the logistics of on-screen nudity? Like I assumed Oscar was just naked in an uncomfortable chair but apparently there's socks involved?? imagine two balls out the end of a sock
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imagine your god, who is oscar isaac, 40 feet tall in the shape of giant dong but wearing a thin sock made of sandtrout
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Huh. I just sort of assumed that the Oscar Isaacs of the world would be cool with casual nudity. Fair enough!sebmojo posted:imagine two balls out the end of a sock no
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skasion posted:If your character is supposed to be naked but dong is not intended to show onscreen, then you get a thing to wear on your schlong. I have a weirdly perfect memory of being introduced by the concept by the DVD commentary of Underworld Power move to turn down the sock and just hang dong in front of the cast and crew.
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AFewBricksShy posted:They give you a flesh colored sock to stick on your dick and balls (think Red Hot Chili Peppers style) so you’re not just hanging dong in front of the whole crew, it leaves just a touch up to the imagination. Unless you're Tommy Wiseau, who actually did wear a sock in The Room. Tree Bucket posted:Huh. I just sort of assumed that the Oscar Isaacs of the world would be cool with casual nudity. Fair enough!
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BeanpolePeckerwood posted:imagine your god, who is oscar isaac, 40 feet tall in the shape of giant dong but wearing a thin sock made of sandtrout ....will you all excuse me for a moment
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sebmojo posted:imagine two balls out the end of a sock Sock + Usul
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kiimo posted:Sock + Usul
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kiimo posted:Caught you knockin at my sietch's door This is really great and this thread needs more Neil Young
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AFewBricksShy posted:They give you a flesh colored sock to stick on your dick and balls (think Red Hot Chili Peppers style) so you’re not just hanging dong in front of the whole crew, it leaves just a touch up to the imagination. Cowards. I just rewatched Peter Greenaway's Prospero's Books, there's dicks and boobs wherever you look.
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Fuckin love Prospero’s Books. Greenaway should be allowed to film God Emperor
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BeanpolePeckerwood posted:imagine your god, who is oscar isaac, 40 feet tall in the shape of giant dong but wearing a thin sock made of sandtrout Reefswelling
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not sure why you'd care what he's wearing downstairs when you could be living inside his beard
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I'm reminded of when Q appeared naked on the Enterprise bridge that one time and apparently John DeLancie has a massive hog
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Ghost Leviathan posted:I'm reminded of when Q appeared naked on the Enterprise bridge that one time and apparently John DeLancie has a massive hog Same but Mad Men / Jon Hamm
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The reason Leto doesn't have a dick is because he evolved specifically into the dick. That's the part of the worm/human DNA he chose to focus on. He IS the dick. The Golden Shower Path.  Look at this and tell me. Do you see the truth of it
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Jewmanji posted:What I’m saying though is that the notion that Paul doesn’t exert any control over them is a bit of a farce that Paul relies on to absolve himself of responsibility. I mean, a) that sort of mirrors the historical Arab societies before Mohammed comes along. Turns out when you conquer a bunch of people, slavery is a lot more On The Menu than it is when you're a bunch of nomads in the desert. b) The wider society and universe they're in is at the very least deeply feudal, that's how the faufreluches thing works. It's not like the milieu they live in is modern democracy. Your average dude is a mediaeval serf. c) Paul inherits Jamis's wife as a servant after defeating him in battle. That sounds preeetty slavery-like to me. Like https://dune.fandom.com/wiki/Harah 'By law, Jamis' yali and all his possessions, excluding the funeral gifts but including his wife and sons, belonged to Paul Muad'Dib' think someone was gilding the lily a tad on the 'Fremens dont do slavery' bit in-universe, there. feedmegin fucked around with this message at 19:37 on Feb 11, 2022 |
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