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I watched the Toshiaki Kawada vs Shinya Hashimoto TC match (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=57hlvO3yVUk) yesterday and really enjoyed it. Does anyone have any all-time best Hashimoto matches? He inspires fear and awe and I must see more of him.
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A silly question regarding image rights. Using Brock Lesnar here only as an example, although there are other wrestlers this could apply to. Brock has a silly tattoo on both his front and back. Both of these silly tattoos are unique and memorable. At least one of these tattoos has been used in marketing/merchandise for WWE, (I know they used his silly back monster for a T-Shirt). Who owns the rights to said silly monster? The tattoo artist? Brock? WWE? When signing "image rights" contracts do you have to include specific clauses for tattoos like that? How about if, (to use him purely as an example), like CM Punk, the tattoo is of another company's logo or something that is owned by someone else? Do you have to get permission from Pepsi for every commercial image of CM Punk that shows that tattoo? Blur it out on any monetized image?
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Feb 8, 2022 00:19
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As it stands the copyright of the tattoo, assuming its an original design by the artist, is owned by the tattooist. In the case of Brock either he designed them (lol) or he pays a licensing fee to the artist to use the work in promotional materials. That's not to say tattooists have a complete ownership over their own images in promotional material and there are fair use exemptions: https://comicbook.com/gaming/news/nba-2k-lebron-james-publisher-wins-lawsuit-over-tattoos/ Tattooing of copyrighted images is a different matter - you're allowed to show them off freely so long as said purpose is not promotional. For example Punk has a pepsi globe but uf he uses the tattoo to promote hinself as having the endorsement of pepsi would cause a conflict. For Punk promotional images tend to blur or omit the pepsi tattoo, or put it in such a way it is not the focus. Punk can never license its use because he does not own, nor does the tattooist, the underlying copyright.
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Feb 8, 2022 00:57
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Lid posted:As it stands the copyright of the tattoo, assuming its an original design by the artist, is owned by the tattooist. In the case of Brock either he designed them (lol) or he pays a licensing fee to the artist to use the work in promotional materials. That's not to say tattooists have a complete ownership over their own images in promotional material and there are fair use exemptions: Thank you for this. But if, as you say, Brock is paying a license fee to the tattooist for the use of the tattoo. If WWE puts out a Brock Lensar T-Shirt, (like this)  Do they also have to pay a license fee to the tatooist? Does the agreement that Brock has with the tattooist cover it's further use by the WWE? Does the tattooist have any recourse if they don't pay? Cos in this case it's a lot more than "fair use" as they are specifically using the distinct image as a promotional tool.
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Feb 8, 2022 01:55
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Dawgstar posted:Barry could probably make that claim he was the best wrestler in the world around about... '89-ish or so. no, that was Steamboat
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Feb 8, 2022 15:36
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 Is this Ray Traylor vs Barbarian?
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Kosmo Gallion posted:
Traylor started out as a jobber before impressing the right people, so they put him as Cornette's bodyguard
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Feb 8, 2022 16:18
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BrigadierSensible posted:A silly question regarding image rights. There's literally a lawsuit going on right now between a tattoo artist and Randy Orton because of this.
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Feb 8, 2022 17:08
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They are a joke in WWE, but which wrestlers have (or have had) a ninja gimmick? Great Sasuke is obviously one I guess, but I'm drawing a blank on others.
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Feb 8, 2022 23:58
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Lily Catts posted:They are a joke in WWE, but which wrestlers have (or have had) a ninja gimmick? Great Sasuke is obviously one I guess, but I'm drawing a blank on others. Kwang.
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Feb 9, 2022 00:05
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Lily Catts posted:They are a joke in WWE, but which wrestlers have (or have had) a ninja gimmick? Great Sasuke is obviously one I guess, but I'm drawing a blank on others. Ninja Mack
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Feb 9, 2022 00:24
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Lily Catts posted:They are a joke in WWE, but which wrestlers have (or have had) a ninja gimmick? Great Sasuke is obviously one I guess, but I'm drawing a blank on others. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dzqQCoJ5Fy8
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Feb 9, 2022 00:34
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The Jerichoholic ninja
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Lily Catts posted:They are a joke in WWE, but which wrestlers have (or have had) a ninja gimmick? Great Sasuke is obviously one I guess, but I'm drawing a blank on others. The Great Muta in his original excursions in the US was "The Super Black Ninja" Various territories had "Super Ninjas". Then you had WCW sticking wrestler Ranger Ross in a mask and tried to pass him off as "The Pearl" (of the Orient), a Great Muta knock-off.
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Feb 9, 2022 01:20
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Lily Catts posted:They are a joke in WWE, but which wrestlers have (or have had) a ninja gimmick? Great Sasuke is obviously one I guess, but I'm drawing a blank on others. Does kung fu janela count?
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Feb 9, 2022 01:40
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Ron Reis became the Super Giant Ninja after the Ye-tay fiasco inevitably failed.
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Feb 9, 2022 01:42
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Feb 9, 2022 02:05
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Glacier was a member of the Lin Kuei.
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Feb 9, 2022 02:53
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the Ninja Turtles have wrestled many matches
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Gavok posted:Glacier was a member of the Lin Kuei. By similar convention then Mortis and Wrath?
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Feb 9, 2022 03:00
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ICP
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Feb 9, 2022 03:59
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Whatever Al Snow's Avatar was supposed to be.
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Feb 9, 2022 05:33
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Would Paul Diamond as Kato in the WWF Orient Express count?
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Lily Catts posted:They are a joke in WWE, but which wrestlers have (or have had) a ninja gimmick? Great Sasuke is obviously one I guess, but I'm drawing a blank on others. Lord Tensai. 
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Feb 9, 2022 14:04
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He was a samurai you fool.
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Origin posted:Whatever Al Snow's Avatar was supposed to be. Al Snow literally had a gimmick called "Shinobi" Here is Shinobi vs. Tajiri in 2004 https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=PZdvu6kaUGA
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Feb 10, 2022 01:19
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At what point did amateur wrestling and pro wrestling get their names? Obviously what we call amateur wrestling is real and has been around for thousands of years so how did the carny pro wrestling business manage to get the naming convention changed?
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Feb 10, 2022 01:23
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Elephant Ambush posted:At what point did amateur wrestling and pro wrestling get their names? Obviously what we call amateur wrestling is real and has been around for thousands of years so how did the carny pro wrestling business manage to get the naming convention changed? Originally, the carny stuff actually was real wrestling, or at least ostensibly was, but they were charging admission and paying people and turning a profit and stuff, and they billed themselves as professional wrestling. They didn't have to "earn" the name any more than professional baseball clubs did. So the carny stuff was always "pro wrestling" and over the years it resembled actual wrestling less and less.
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Feb 10, 2022 01:37
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Edit: Never mind, someone beat me to the Super Giant Ninja.
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Feb 10, 2022 13:38
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takuya sugi was a great ninja gimmick
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Feb 10, 2022 17:12
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rujasu posted:Originally, the carny stuff actually was real wrestling, or at least ostensibly was, but they were charging admission and paying people and turning a profit and stuff, and they billed themselves as professional wrestling. They didn't have to "earn" the name any more than professional baseball clubs did. So the carny stuff was always "pro wrestling" and over the years it resembled actual wrestling less and less. Year 1: let’s just pretend to wrestle we’ll get hurt less Year 2: let’s add a little razzle dazzle to our matches to make em more exciting Year 3: let’s have a reverse ladder match where the winner gets to gently caress my wife
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Feb 11, 2022 03:48
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Web Jew.0 posted:Year 1: let’s just pretend to wrestle we’ll get hurt less Year 1 probably also involved a lot of match fixing for gambling purposes. Also back in the old days, professional sports were crude affairs that were looked down upon and amateur sports were pure and gentlemanly (see Olympics and NCAA) so pro was less an earned title and more of an insult.
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Feb 11, 2022 07:18
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pseudodragon posted:Year 1 probably also involved a lot of match fixing for gambling purposes. Match fixing for gambling purposes is in fact why wrestling became a work in the mid 1800s.
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Feb 11, 2022 15:26
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Yeah, it's more: Hey, we can fix these matches and make money by working the books. Oh, hey, we can just make the whole fight fake and not get so beat up. Oh, if we work together we can do some razzle-dazzle to make it more fun for the audience and sell more tickets.
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Feb 11, 2022 19:14
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What was with Hogan constantly calling Ted DiBiase the Multi-Million Dollar Man?
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Feb 12, 2022 00:35
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inflation, brother
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Ted DiBiase always has a million dollars, because he is the Million Dollar Man. When he, say, pays Andre The Giant a million dollars to beat Hulk Hogan and hand him the WWF Championship, you would think he would have zero dollars left, but you would be wrong, because Ted DiBiase is the Million Dollar Man, so he therefore has a million dollars left. Hogan, therefore, thinks DiBiase must have multiple millions of dollars, hence why he calls him the Multi-Million Dollar Man, yet he'd be wrong, because Ted DiBiase always has a million dollars. In conclusion, Hulk Hogan is an idiot
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Weirdly that reminded me that WWE at some point decided to recognise Andre's win over Hogan for the belt, but NOT DiBiase being given it. So officially Andre held the title for like 5 minutes, and it was then vacated.
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Feb 12, 2022 01:22
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Gaz-L posted:Weirdly that reminded me that WWE at some point decided to recognise Andre's win over Hogan for the belt, but NOT DiBiase being given it. So officially Andre held the title for like 5 minutes, and it was then vacated. Andre won it, DiBiase bought it, which was the reason given.
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Venomous posted:Ted DiBiase always has a million dollars, because he is the Million Dollar Man. When he, say, pays Andre The Giant a million dollars to beat Hulk Hogan and hand him the WWF Championship, you would think he would have zero dollars left, but you would be wrong, because Ted DiBiase is the Million Dollar Man, so he therefore has a million dollars left. Are you retconning Ted Dibiase by Hundo Supreme's rules, scaled up?
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