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Best Friends posted:also libs all believe there are plenty of good decent republicans out there just waiting to be swayed by the right former troop. republicans in contrast do not think there are any virtues in liberal voting blocks to appeal to. there's no version of "hey I'm in San Francisco running against Nancy pelosi and I'm going to win on real American values" type thing available that would fool R donors for a second. idk i think something like a 'successful' CEO type with the right idpol checkboxes fits the bill. Carly Fiorina ran for senate or gov in california before she ran for president iirc.
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Vomik posted:it is actually better for the dems to get destroyed. as long as they exist they can squash any leftist movement and uh i dont know how much time we have left before we reach the point of no return here Yeah, the Republicans won't squash any leftist movement at all. Smart thinking! ram dass in hell posted:idk i think something like a 'successful' CEO type with the right idpol checkboxes fits the bill. Carly Fiorina ran for senate or gov in california before she ran for president iirc. lmao @ Carli Fiorina.
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hoover up all the money and divert media attention from any left wing challenges to blue seats by focusing on turning red seats blue. always be perpetually one senator short of doing anything worthwhile (which again will stifle leftwing challengers because they can play the "we need just one more now is not the time for infighting" card in the media). if in power, do absolutely nothing for the populace, but at the beginning and end of each term you're required to open the money faucet at the fed a bit more to juice the stock market.
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Fame Douglas posted:Yeah, the Republicans won't squash any leftist movement at all. Smart thinking! what do the dems existing or not existing have to do with the republicans squashing leftist movements?
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Fame Douglas posted:Yeah, the Republicans won't squash any leftist movement at all. Smart thinking! they don't need to, the Democrats do that job perfectly well for them. if the Democrats won't shift left there is but one recourse: withold voting for them until they wither and die. that does mean republican governance in the medium term foreseeable future, but I ask: with scotus stacked and democrats doing nothing to fight back, what difference does it make? at least in the long wilderness that will be the Democrats out of power from 2022-2034 or so, there will be chances to move forward with a different party maybe. i hold zero hope of internal party reform. it is a captured apparatus.
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Larry O said it best imo https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FqRNnIMDkUY
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ex post facho posted:Larry O said it best imo god drat... 5.5 presidential terms later from this video and its literally still how democrats operate
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Vomik posted:what do the dems existing or not existing have to do with the republicans squashing leftist movements? Republicans are way worse on free speech and democracy, it's not hard to see. You won't see a leftist revolution through Republican rule.
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my dude, if we're down the road that far, and I'm not arguing that we ain't, voting for democrats is not going to be the answer
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Lmao what Dude if there was going to be a working class revolution it would be way more likely under the GOP, they're way worse than the Dems at suppressing the left
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Vomik posted:uh i dont know how much time we have left before we reach the point of no return here Approximately negative twenty years when they made the very literal department of homeland security to unanimous applause from all parties.
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Fame Douglas posted:Republicans are way worse on free speech and democracy, it's not hard to see. You won't see a leftist revolution through Republican rule. just because the democratic party collapses doesn't mean every democratic senator and house member is immediately replaced by a republican. as a block they'd have more power yeah because of the fracturing of the remainder, but its going to be easier for a leftwing party to grow from the ashes of the democrats than it is for the democrats to morph into one.
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Also the idea that democracy would even be involved in a working class revolution in the US is dubious. Lenin was working in a parliamentary system that had pretty much nothing in common with the American system other than the fact that it was pretending to be democratic.
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Complications posted:Approximately negative twenty years when they made the very literal department of homeland security to unanimous applause from all parties. pre:The Washington Post Democracy dies to unanimous applause
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paper will never achieve revolution under a rock regime. stick to voting for scissors.
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DoubleDonut posted:paper will never achieve revolution under a rock regime. stick to voting for scissors.
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DoubleDonut posted:paper will never achieve revolution under a rock regime. stick to voting for scissors. Rock and scissors are working together! Rock and scissors are working together!!! *dragged away to the loony bin*
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Fame Douglas posted:Republicans are way worse on free speech and democracy, it's not hard to see. You won't see a leftist revolution through Republican rule. Lol.
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PostNouveau posted:Rock and scissors are working together! Rock and scissors are working together!!! *dragged away to the loony bin*
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Fame Douglas posted:Yeah, the Republicans won't squash any leftist movement at all. Smart thinking! The republicans still exist to squash leftist movement in the 'dems not destroyed' scenario too, only they don't have to because the democrats are far more effective at it. The democrats are designed to capture and subvert leftist energy and grind down any enthusiasm for leftwing positions. The intent is to be such insufferable 'allies' that those who cannot be subverted become apathetic. Outright opposition would at least be something to drum up enthusiasm I would be more open to being convinced about the evil necessity of the democrats if there were even a little bit effective at being an oppositional party, but they really don't seem to serve any positive purpose. gently caress em.
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fundraising with pretend-governance characteristics
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PostNouveau posted:Rock and scissors are working together! Rock and scissors are working together!!! *dragged away to the loony bin* nice to have some company here
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After all the opportunities they've had to primary Manchin they can't hide behind his obstruction, either. He's there because they did nothing but support him to begin with.
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Nix Panicus posted:The republicans still exist to squash leftist movement in the 'dems not destroyed' scenario too, only they don't have to because the democrats are far more effective at it. The democrats are designed to capture and subvert leftist energy and grind down any enthusiasm for leftwing positions. The intent is to be such insufferable 'allies' that those who cannot be subverted become apathetic. Outright opposition would at least be something to drum up enthusiasm
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Legitimately don't see how someone could live through the Trump presidency and election of Biden and not understand that the Democrats are infinitely more effective at crushing any sort of real left sentiment in this country
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Pentecoastal Elites posted:Legitimately don't see how someone could live through the Trump presidency and election of Biden and not understand that the Democrats are infinitely more effective at crushing any sort of real left sentiment in this country Remember how the anti-war movement totally disappeared when Obama got elected?
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Vomik posted:god drat... 5.5 presidential terms later from this video and its literally still how democrats operate plus all the same arguements you hear from DND types It's harm reduction. By supporting centrist dems on voting day, they might pass leftist policies later
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I liked your post before ur edit etalian, it IS home reduction lol
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Pener Kropoopkin posted:Remember how the anti-war movement totally disappeared when Obama got elected? Remember how we had a nationwide protest against police brutality and somehow it ended up with the cops getting more money with no reforms?
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Pentecoastal Elites posted:Legitimately don't see how someone could live through the Trump presidency and election of Biden and not understand that the Democrats are infinitely more effective at crushing any sort of real left sentiment in this country fame douglas is british
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DoubleDonut posted:paper will never achieve revolution under a rock regime. stick to voting for scissors.
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H.P. Hovercraft posted:fame douglas is british
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Fame Douglas posted:Republicans are way worse on free speech and democracy, it's not hard to see. You won't see a leftist revolution through Republican rule. lol.
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Nix Panicus posted:Remember how we had a nationwide protest against police brutality and somehow it ended up with the cops getting more money with no reforms? Don't shortsell it, we also got a bunch of 30 Rock episodes taken down
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Nix Panicus posted:Remember how we had a nationwide protest against police brutality and somehow it ended up with the cops getting more money with no reforms? lol
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