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Nighthand posted:I made a play mistake once (playing a sorcery as an instant because I didn't read the card closely enough) and rather than point out the mistake my opponent just shouted JUDGE into the aether to summon them to rule on the situation. Personally I probably would have preferred saying "hey that's a sorcery" to which I could respond "oh poo poo, sorry, my bad" rather than stall things out for the judge to work their way over to say it, but so it goes. Historically a lot of cheaters have been guys who made these types of sloppy play errors a lot but somehow only in their own favour, if you call a judge then they might notice a pattern emerging Or you can try and get your opponent enough warnings for a game loss But in general I think you should not consider calling a judge to be a big deal because that's why they're there
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can someone with a tumblr submit a question to blogatog asking why the arena devs play dumb about the existence of pioneer? https://twitter.com/MTG_Arena/status/1491475910326992898
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Feb 10, 2022 05:17
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It's very important that we preserve the uniqueness we have now
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Feb 10, 2022 05:34
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Barry Shitpeas posted:Historically a lot of cheaters have been guys who made these types of sloppy play errors a lot but somehow only in their own favour, if you call a judge then they might notice a pattern emerging I once had a guy call a judge over and insist I be DQ'd at an FNM because He swung at me with a phantasm image equipped with a runepike I blocked with my phyrexian obliterator and he then had to sac like 10 permanent He argued that I should have made him sac the phantasmal image when he equipped the pike the previous turn and allowed the board state to become unrecoverable. Which yeah I should have but that was my first time playing in 15 years and barely got that equipment were a thing now. This was the same FNM I had to spend a match listening to an opponent complain I was using Venser sleeves for a BG fight deck. I didn't go back to that store.
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Feb 10, 2022 05:42
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Dr. Poz posted:can someone with a tumblr submit a question to blogatog asking why the arena devs play dumb about the existence of pioneer? I don't think Pioneer gets to play with Modern Horizon cards so I don't think it is the way to go
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Feb 10, 2022 05:44
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from an idealist standpoint no, but they've shown preference for taking the shortest possible path. pioneer has a smaller card pool than modern and would be easier to implement, with pioneer masters having even previously been on the teams roadmap before being removed in favor of the historic/alchemy mutation were saddled with. i'd much prefer modern but i think the distance it takes to get to a playable format is shorter for pioneer than anything else.
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Feb 10, 2022 06:08
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Macdeo Lurjtux posted:I once had a guy call a judge over and insist I be DQ'd at an FNM because why did he attack with an obliterator ready to block
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Feb 10, 2022 06:32
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I'm glad Remy's still doing his thing https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VR5-enLq4Xs&hd=1
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Feb 10, 2022 07:27
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Let's say hypothetically I was in a position to advise a small internet company on what magic products they should sell. What Japanese language product would you most want to buy? Don't worry about price for now, just assume good price. All in Japanese Darft Boosters loose Draft booster box Set booster loose Set booster box Collectors booster loose Collectors box Commander decks Bundle box (8x set booster, spin down, basic land foil, and non foil) Theme boosters Again what do people like? I Lean towrd draft boosters only, but I am old and don't play paper any more.
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Feb 10, 2022 09:58
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Macdeo Lurjtux posted:This was the same FNM I had to spend a match listening to an opponent complain I was using Venser sleeves for a BG fight deck. I didn't go back to that store. This owns. I had won a pack of magic sleeves with some planeswalker on them, used it to sleeve up a R/G deck. Whatever Standard season this was years ago, someone was running a deck with maindeck Pithing Needles so when they dropped one early game1, they named the planeswalker, which I didn't run. Accidental Mindgames.
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ScottyJSno posted:Let's say hypothetically I was in a position to advise a small internet company on what magic products they should sell. Singles.
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Feb 10, 2022 12:36
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I guess collectors boosters because I'm not going to actually draft with cards in a different language so if I'm opening them it's for the fun of it.
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Paul Zuvella posted:Singles. Absolutely do not advise a company that doesn't currently have deep MTG knowledge (which they don't if they're asking you this advice) to buy and sell singles
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Dr. Poz posted:can someone with a tumblr submit a question to blogatog asking why the arena devs play dumb about the existence of pioneer? Add Vintage to arena imo
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Kashuno posted:Add Vintage to arena imo This would be pretty awsome.
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Kashuno posted:Add Vintage to arena imo this but legacy
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Port all of Mtgo to arena. Gimme a modern ranked queue
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kalel posted:this but legacy Good news, adding Vintage would mean adding the entire Legacy card pool by default.
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Devor posted:Absolutely do not advise a company that doesn't currently have deep MTG knowledge (which they don't if they're asking you this advice) to buy and sell singles I was asked what I’d most like to buy, not to give them business advice.
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Nighthand posted:I made a play mistake once (playing a sorcery as an instant because I didn't read the card closely enough) and rather than point out the mistake my opponent just shouted JUDGE into the aether to summon them to rule on the situation. Personally I probably would have preferred saying "hey that's a sorcery" to which I could respond "oh poo poo, sorry, my bad" rather than stall things out for the judge to work their way over to say it, but so it goes. That’s literally what judges are there for.
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Feb 10, 2022 15:06
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Macdeo Lurjtux posted:I once had a guy call a judge over and insist I be DQ'd at an FNM because I've literally seen more bystanders DQed for unintentional outside assistance than anyone actually playing a game (and then it was actually for lying to the judge while they were trying to resolve the situation)
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Feb 10, 2022 15:12
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I wonder what logic that guy had to think that an illegal play would get a lesser penalty than failing to notice an opponent's illegal play
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Orange Fluffy Sheep posted:Good news, adding Vintage would mean adding the entire Legacy card pool by default. I'm saying add the vintage card pool but don't actually make a vintage queue. vintage is for serial killers
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Macdeo Lurjtux posted:I once had a guy call a judge over and insist I be DQ'd at an FNM because The best part is if he knowingly equipped the Pike onto his illusion hoping you wouldn't notice and then called a judge when it was no longer benefitted him that is capital-c Cheating and (i think?) would get you DQd at any level of tournament.
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A big flaming stink posted:why did he attack with an obliterator ready to block He thought it was damage caused by the obliterator not taken, and runepikebgave first strike. Qwertycoatl posted:I wonder what logic that guy had to think that an illegal play would get a lesser penalty than failing to notice an opponent's illegal play His argument was that he made 'a simple mistake' that I allowed to happen because it would lead to substantial advantage to myself.
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Feb 10, 2022 15:29
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As I understand it, with the current tournament rules it's cheating to intentionally ignore your own triggered abilities, but if you accidentally forget it the opponent doesn't have to point it out.
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Qwertycoatl posted:As I understand it, with the current tournament rules it's cheating to intentionally ignore your own triggered abilities, but if you accidentally forget it the opponent doesn't have to point it out. Batman logic
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Qwertycoatl posted:As I understand it, with the current tournament rules it's cheating to intentionally ignore your own triggered abilities, but if you accidentally forget it the opponent doesn't have to point it out. Pretty much. Cheating by Magic rules definition requires intent. So intentionally not acknowledging a self detrimental trigger would fall under that. Of course, it's always hard to prove intent, and humans are definitely not infallible and will miss stuff(I've missed plenty of triggers in my time playing the game), so proper judges dont really throw around the word cheating all that easily.
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So what's the real ending to this story? Did OP get DQ'ed? Did the opponent?
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Macdeo Lurjtux posted:He thought it was damage caused by the obliterator not taken, and runepikebgave first strike. I think you were playing my mother in law.
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Qwertycoatl posted:I wonder what logic that guy had to think that an illegal play would get a lesser penalty than failing to notice an opponent's illegal play The fun thing is that even if you did notice it you're allowed to forget your opponent's triggers. quote:To repeat an earlier annotation, players are never responsible for remembering their opponent’s triggers. Players are allowed to remain quiet about triggers controlled by an opponent being missed, even if the triggered ability would do something harmful to its controller. There is never a time when a player should be issued an infraction, be it Unsporting Conduct — Cheating, Game Play Error — Failure to Maintain Game State, etc., for either accidentally or intentionally not calling attention to an opponent’s missed trigger. Players do not have to help their opponents beat them; however, they cannot trick their opponents into missing triggers. quote:Players are expected to remember their own triggered abilities; intentionally ignoring one may be Unsporting Conduct — Cheating (unless the ability would have no impact on the game as described above).
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you forget your opponent's pact or tabernacle triggers until they're tapped out. blammo
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ilmucche posted:you forget your opponent's pact or tabernacle triggers until they're tapped out. blammo Tabernacle gives people a choice, if they don't pay their creatures die. If they proceed to the draw step without paying then the trigger hasn't been missed, they just refused to pay the upkeep. With Tabernacle or Pacr I usually do try to give some form of heads up. There are players out there that genuinely do not know the correct order of the phases and I always try to err on the side of sportsmanship with those 2 in particular.
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lockdar posted:Tabernacle gives people a choice, if they don't pay their creatures die. If they proceed to the draw step without paying then the trigger hasn't been missed, they just refused to pay the upkeep. The rules just don't work that way anymore. If your opponent draws a card, its no longer a gotcha, you call a judge and the judge makes them pay the price or sacrifice and the game moves on.
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Sickening posted:The rules just don't work that way anymore. If your opponent draws a card, its no longer a gotcha, you call a judge and the judge makes them pay the price or sacrifice and the game moves on. Oh poo poo really? I think that is much better than what it used to be. I always hated it when I played a Tabernacle and had to warn the other player that their creatures now have an upkeep and I don't have to remind him to pay it. How do they handle additional info being given by the drawing of a card in this situation?
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HootTheOwl posted:The fun thing is that even if you did notice it you're allowed to forget your opponent's triggers. from the cards involved this was probably at a time when both players were responsible for missed triggers
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lockdar posted:Oh poo poo really? I think that is much better than what it used to be. I always hated it when I played a Tabernacle and had to warn the other player that their creatures now have an upkeep and I don't have to remind him to pay it. How do they handle additional info being given by the drawing of a card in this situation? Unless the judge believes the player intended to do it on purpose, nothing.
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Barry Shitpeas posted:from the cards involved this was probably at a time when both players were responsible for missed triggers Really? I thought you could always have chalice checked your opponent? Sickening posted:Unless the judge believes the player intended to do it on purpose, nothing. When the trigger is considered detrimental the penalty is upgraded to a warning: quote:If the triggered ability is usually considered detrimental for the controlling player and they own the card responsible for the existence of the trigger, the penalty is a Warning.
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Qwertycoatl posted:So what's the real ending to this story? Did OP get DQ'ed? Did the opponent? Judge said if it was something more important than an FNM he'd issue us both warnings keep the noard state. But as is he just scolded me that I should be more observant of my opponents board state.
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HootTheOwl posted:If the triggered ability is usually considered detrimental for the controlling player and they own the card responsible for the existence of the trigger, the penalty is a Warning. Does that only cover your own bob triggers and not exactly your opponents tabernacle?
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