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BiggerBoat posted:Ultimate FF is at my library. Pass then? I think the first few trade paper back Ultimate FF are ok. I read up to about the Zombies storyline. BaldDwarfOnPCP posted:Homer was in a grunge band in college. Even that episode was like 15 years ago...I think the latest "Flashback" episode from a couple years ago has Teen-Homer loving mid 90s rap. Marge and Homer are perpetually late 30s, (maybe Homer is now officially 40?) So they've gone gone from young Boomers to Get X to older Millennial.
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Ardent Communist posted:The problem is historiography hasn't really acknowledged that the reason the French government was so willing to give up during WW2 is that tons of the leadership were fascist adjacent. Tons of everyone's leadership were fascist adjacent. I agree that maybe france had it a bit more than some, but still.
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BiggerBoat posted:Ultimate FF is at my library. Pass then? Push El Burrito posted:The perfect Fantastic Four movie was already made and it was called The Incredibles. 
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Feb 10, 2022 20:24
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The perfect Fantastic Four movie was already made and it was called The Incredibles.
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The first one that was considered too lovely to even release on home video is still the best fantastic four movie ever made
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PhazonLink posted:Hasnt The Simpsons sort of moved up the dates its chraters? like I seen pics from the GBS thread of college Homer and Marge in the 80s??  What I'm saying is, there isn't another candidate to replace that in modern history, at least none that would fit Hollywood's prerequisite.
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Push El Burrito posted:The perfect Fantastic Four movie was already made and it was called The Incredibles. This. The best way to do a FF movie is to do it as a period piece since so much of their novelty and success out of the gate was related to that context. Heroes not having secret identities, living publicly in a high profile penthouse, the space race and dealing with real world problems were all fresh and really gelled within that setting. I don't understand what's so hard about it either but they keep loving it up. If you absolutely have to do an MCU tie in, then introduce Namor, Galactus or (fun option) shove the Hulk in there somehow and let him fight Ben. Also portray Dr. Doom right for once. I'd set it in the mid to late 60's and do it as a stand alone film with Kirby and Alex Ross (Marvels) storyboards. You don't have to tie it in with all the other stuff. A period setting worked pretty well with Captain America and X-Men: First Class and I think Marvel/Disney should go the other way now and let some of these movies just be their own thing instead of always finding ways to bash all the action figures together.
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If it ain't got Moleman it aint' worth my time
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I liked the early body-horror bits in Fan4stic, but dear god was that a weird choice of characters to do that with.
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Phy posted:Miles Morales and Sam Jackson Nick Fury ? Or like do you mean specifically the Ultimates title and not the broader alternate universe, in which case sure I meant specifically the Ultimates, but beyond the two things you listed and the USS Awesome, there's really no reason to get near the Ultimate universe. Isn't that the one with cannibal Hulk? OR did I fever dream that?
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The problem is that Ultimate Marvel couldn't tell whether it wanted to be a modernized retelling of the characters for a younger generation (Spider-Man) or a grittier take on the characters (Racist Cap, Cannibal Hulk, Hank Pym is a full on wife-beater*) and I think the grittier stuff is really what ends up falling flat *Yes, Hank famously hits Jan in the classic comics, but he's not only not in his right mind, the scene as is was actually the result of an illustrator mistake according to then-editor Jim Shooter quote:In that story (issue 213, I think), there is a scene in which Hank is supposed to have accidentally struck Jan while throwing his hands up in despair and frustration—making a sort of "get away from me" gesture while not looking at her. Bob Hall, who had been taught by John Buscema to always go for the most extreme action, turned that into a right cross! There was no time to have it redrawn, which, to this day has caused the tragic story of Hank Pym to be known as the '"wife-beater” story. So you have a moment that comes off way harsher than was intended vs Ultimate Marvel where he's just straight up terrorizing and brutalizing her with absolutely no ambiguity of any kind.
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The first couple volumes of Ultimate FF are all right IIRC because they don't really interact with any other Ultimate books. But I haven't read them in ages so they might have awful stuff I've forgotten. I lost complete interest in the Ultimate universe when it just casually killed off almost all my favourite comic book characters. SO EDGY.
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I went through the entire Ultimate line on Marvel Unlimited at one point and, man, once you hit Ultimatum it becomes a terrible slog. That entire storyline was just so bad, even for the grimdark edgy Ultimate world. Fantastic Four was mostly fine other than Goat Legged Doom which they fixed pretty quickly, again up until around Ultimatum.
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Oh yeah, in Ultimate Marvel Quicksilver and Scarlet With are loving.
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flavor.flv posted:The first one that was considered too lovely to even release on home video is still the best fantastic four movie ever made I don't think they ever actually planned to release it. If I recall correctly it was made purely to hold onto the rights since they were about to expire unless an adaptation was produced within a timeframe so they rushed something cheap out but never released it since the contract only stipulated it needed to be made not whether it needed to be seen by anyone.
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Push El Burrito posted:The perfect Fantastic Four movie was already made and it was called The Incredibles. Funny way of saying The Venture bros.
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The best bit of the Ultimates is how This Ain't Your Daddy's Avengers so they're all cursing at each other constantly. Except they can't do real swears so everyone's all "Get lost, you witch!" or "Shut your trap you stupid idiot!" like angry tweens.
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christmas boots posted:Oh yeah, in Ultimate Marvel Quicksilver and Scarlet With are loving. I heard they also smirked at old-fashioned Captain America being shocked by this, what with only old fuddy-duddies being shocked by incest back in the Aughts.
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wasnt there a woman character (some talking head for an inuniverse gossiprag) that said Cap was old fashion and how modern MERICA doesnt care about his ideas and cares about American Idol and MySpace? that aged well huh.
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PhazonLink posted:wasnt there a woman character (some talking head for an inuniverse gossiprag) that said Cap was old fashion and how modern MERICA doesnt care about his ideas and cares about American Idol and MySpace? That was the regular MU. I want to say it was part of Civil War. And yeah, I think it's Ultimate Wasp who looks at Wanda and Pietro and is like "Aren't they adorable?" Regarding the Fantastic Four, I kinda want the MCU version to be a shot for-shot remake of the Corman version. Not that I've ever seen it, I just think it'd be funny.
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Dr Christmas posted:I heard they also smirked at old-fashioned Captain America being shocked by this, what with only old fuddy-duddies being shocked by incest back in the Aughts. 
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The first couple volumes had them be close and people made jokes about it. Then Loeb took over and you get that page. When Millar is more subtle than you there's a problem.
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The only good thing about ultimates is it made Hawkeye actually a decently fun character instead of "weird guy with a bow". He had a family, he had crazy weird mutant mantis shrimp eyes that saw crazy weird poo poo, and he could use pretty much anything as a weapon but he also was not that happy having to hang around those idiots. They only had to change him slightly for the MCU.
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I liked the characterisation of Thor as a socialist hobo, with it being unclear whether he was actually Thor, God of Thunder or a crazy guy who just thought he was Thor, but with Thor's powers. I just read Ultimatum based on this thread and we'll, that was certainly something that I read.
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The weirdest thing to me was the remake of iron man where Tony stark is a SUPER GENIUS because he has neural tissue throughout his body. Lovely, fragile, easily destroyed neural tissue. Throughout his entire body. So they dress him up in an armored suit so he can get into fights and get literal brain damage on a daily basis. Hell, jogging should give him a migraine.
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Eventually that gets a retcon so that it’s an in-universe fiction and then IIRC he’s just an early draft of MCU Stark
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Man's empire had passed away, taken swiftly and without error by these creatures who were composed entirely of brain. Unhampered by the complex systems which make up man, they made and used different bodies according to their needs. They never tired, never slept, and never suffered, having long since eliminated from their planet the bacteria which cause all fevers and other morbidities.
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BiggerBoat posted:"HULK STRAIGHT!" Is this real?
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ynohtna posted:Is this real? 
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FFT posted:Man's empire had passed away, taken swiftly and without error by these creatures who were composed entirely of brain. Unhampered by the complex systems which make up man, they made and used different bodies according to their needs. They never tired, never slept, and never suffered, having long since eliminated from their planet the bacteria which cause all fevers and other morbidities. Some day octopuses will rise from the seas to claim what is rightfully theirs
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ynohtna posted:Is this real? Yes. Ultimate Hulk isn't just a representation of repressed anger, but of all the emotions Banner represses. He's basically an avatar of toxic masculinity, insane with jealousy and lust and responding with murderous rage against any challenge to his manliness. Cap manipulates Hulk into fighting with the Ultimates by telling him that their enemies have been eyeing up his girlfriend, culminating in the infamous scene where he says, in essence, "Hey Hulk, that alien battle fleet just called you a pouf!"
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Push El Burrito posted:The first couple volumes had them be close and people made jokes about it. Then Loeb took over and you get that page. When Millar is more subtle than you there's a problem. Pretty sure after Loeb's son died literally everything he wrote was nothing but edge that ended with killing everybody off.
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Jfc that’s all terrible.
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Jedit posted:Yes. Ultimate Hulk isn't just a representation of repressed anger, but of all the emotions Banner represses. He's basically an avatar of toxic masculinity, insane with jealousy and lust and responding with murderous rage against any challenge to his manliness. Cap manipulates Hulk into fighting with the Ultimates by telling him that their enemies have been eyeing up his girlfriend, culminating in the infamous scene where he says, in essence, "Hey Hulk, that alien battle fleet just called you a pouf!" 
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That was the exact moment I put the book down
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What I'm getting from this is that comics are bad.
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Zero_Grade posted:What I'm getting from this is that comics are bad. The same happens with anime, there’s a layer of acceptable content a micron thick concealing content that’d make a honey badger puke.
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The first appearance of Ultimate Hulk was your bog standard "Hulk shows up and destroys stuff". It's kind of referenced in the Avengers movies when he says he "broke Harlem". Then they decided to make Hulk into that. It's kind of like how Tony Stark's backstory became "born with a weird genetic disease that made it so his whole body is brain tissue, that's why he's so smart!" but they, like, immediately changed that after the book was done so that no, that whole miniseries was just a tv show. There were some good things in the Ultimate universe, 99% of them being Spider-Man related, but holy poo poo was it outweighed by the awful rest of it. There's a reason the only things that really survived from it are Miles Morales and a villainous Reed Richards.
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From what I understand, the Ultimate universe was created after the success of the first spider-man movie with the explicit goal of having a more streamlined, modern continuity for them to base future movies on, which is why certain character redesigns were clearly based on actors who were popular in the late nineties and early 2000s It went wildly off the rails almost immediately, but we eventually got one really good movie out of it
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