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Can confirm through some family member's facebooks that the right's bizarre hatred of Trudeau goes well beyond regular "We don't like our political opponents and hope they lose" conversation into some very over the top fixation. Had a fun time at a wedding where my relatively lucid but very strongly Tory (O'Toole/Mulroney liker) uncle struggled to name a single policy decision or program that he didn't like but still insisted that he was the worst PM in Canada's history, and this is the camp that's still somewhat grounded in reality. Boomers have been getting bombarded with facebook posts claiming Trudeau is an ISIS sleeper agent since even before he got elected, it's far from a new thing brought on by one remark about antivaccine dumbs.
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Feb 10, 2022 20:06
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Insane reflexive Trudeau hate isn't even limited to Justin, plenty of Albertans would foam at the mouth the second you mentioned PET way before Justin was even PM.
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Feb 10, 2022 20:17
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Their hatred of Trudeau is so strong they spoke out against blackface. Repeatedly!
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Feb 10, 2022 20:19
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Seems like it’s just vibes-based. Someone from my hometown’s entire stated reason for not liking Trudeau is just “he looks like a little bitch”
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Feb 10, 2022 20:22
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And if I recall correctly, it's not about "blackface is offensive", but the "hypocracy" of calling things racist when he did a racist thing.
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Feb 10, 2022 20:25
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Conservatives are enraged by even vaguely feminine men because they can't process the feelings of wanting to gently caress them
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Feb 10, 2022 20:27
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Tighclops posted:Conservatives are enraged by even vaguely feminine men because they can't process the feelings of wanting to gently caress them More hits from the "I don't wipe my butt because touching my butthole is gay" crew
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Feb 10, 2022 20:35
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enki42 posted:Insane reflexive Trudeau hate isn't even limited to Justin, plenty of Albertans would foam at the mouth the second you mentioned PET way before Justin was even PM. It would be more accurate to say that the PET hate was at insane levels since, well, his time as PM, much of which was then transferred to Justin when he entered politics. And then began amassing his own specific brand of hated. Because stupid and a literal culture of hate based around a governmental policy from decades ago that grew to memetic levels and was passed down to children that weren't even alive while PET was in power.
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Feb 10, 2022 20:41
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Tighclops posted:Conservatives are enraged by even vaguely feminine men because they can't process the feelings of wanting to gently caress them also because he's successful at the manly things. Even if Trudeau is a mediocre liberal politician, him beating Brazeau in a boxing match was so loving good
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Feb 10, 2022 20:51
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I used to be in a weekly discussion group that had a lot of boomers and older I. It and there was always one guy that wanted to talk about how much he hated Trudeau regardless of whether the topic had anything to do with Trudeau or not. It was just outright hatred.
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Feb 10, 2022 21:15
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The most I can ever get out of anyone is a hatred of the carbon tax.
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Feb 10, 2022 21:18
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Madkal posted:I used to be in a weekly discussion group that had a lot of boomers and older I. It and there was always one guy that wanted to talk about how much he hated Trudeau regardless of whether the topic had anything to do with Trudeau or not. It was just outright hatred. "Trudeau derangement syndrome"
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Feb 10, 2022 21:26
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I don’t think it’s quite time to call the troops into Ottawa (though huge swaths of the OPS need to be fired) but I do think that the military should be clearing out border blockades. There’s a difference between a protest and an interdiction.
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Feb 10, 2022 21:29
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Yeah I think a lot of it is leftover PET hate for the NEP that's sorta memetically mutated to where Pierre and by extension Justin are basically folk devils. Western tories had a "reason" to hate the Liberals and Pierre but it's so long ago that the causes and slights at the root of it have fallen by the wayside and it's just a sump for every possible real or imagined grievance.
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Feb 10, 2022 21:32
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Can’t they just arrest those truckers and declare them domestic terrorists so they are ineligible to enter USA anymore. Solves their border crossing vaccination requirements.
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Feb 10, 2022 21:41
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The very few involved that had to cross the border were already vaccinated. The vaccination requirements are not and have never been an issue for truckers doing cross-boarder business.
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Feb 10, 2022 21:45
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BC has the highest minimum wage now outside of Nunavut and it's now tied to inflation. Still around $5 less than it should be, but way better than it used to be (when it was one of the lowest in the country)
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Feb 10, 2022 21:48
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Before I ask my question let me make it clear I am not anti vax in way. I am triple vaxxed myself and think every eligible person should get it. So my question is, is there really much point to forcing truckers to get vaccinated? As I understand it they are alone most of the time right? Or is this a requirement because having lots of truckers out sick would cause serious supply chain issues for the economy?
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Feb 10, 2022 21:59
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Truckers regularly interact with people when they are dropping and picking up loads, plus rest stops and whatever they have to do along the way.
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Feb 10, 2022 22:01
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Again, in big bold letters: The protests are not about vaccination requirements for truckers I know that the media keeps repeating that they are, because that's what the protesters had originally claimed as one of their reasons for protesting, except that the vaccination requirements have already been met by anyone whose job it was to do international freight, because they are required by the American government for entry. There is no point in discussing the necessity of vaccination for truck drivers because it is literally irrelevant to the protests. It is a moot point. It is used to try to legitimize the protest when it does not in any way effect the people who are protesting and has nothing to do with their actual stated demands. infernal machines fucked around with this message at 22:04 on Feb 10, 2022 |
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Feb 10, 2022 22:02
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Madkal posted:I used to be in a weekly discussion group that had a lot of boomers and older I. It and there was always one guy that wanted to talk about how much he hated Trudeau regardless of whether the topic had anything to do with Trudeau or not. It was just outright hatred. TheSwizzler posted:Yeah I think a lot of it is leftover PET hate for the NEP that's sorta memetically mutated to where Pierre and by extension Justin are basically folk devils. Western tories had a "reason" to hate the Liberals and Pierre but it's so long ago that the causes and slights at the root of it have fallen by the wayside and it's just a sump for every possible real or imagined grievance. The Pierre thing might be valid for old blood Canadians that somehow inherited it through their parents, but the most adamant JT haters I know in the GTA are 20-40yo first/second gen immigrants whose families weren't even here yet when Pierre was PM. Most of them couldn't tell you anything about him other than the October crisis. I think the over-the-top hate towards JT comes down to the perceived "virtue signaling" of his first term, the peoplekind stuff and 50/50 gender split in cabinet pissed people off way more than blackface or carbon taxes IMO, at least here in Ontario. And because JT is a white male that grew up as political royalty, conservatives really unload on him with both barrels as some personification of Obama/Hillary-style liberalism. There's a certain "not touching you" aspect there, they can literally direct all their hate towards him and no actual leftists will defend him.
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Feb 10, 2022 22:03
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enki42 posted:Insane reflexive Trudeau hate isn't even limited to Justin, plenty of Albertans would foam at the mouth the second you mentioned PET way before Justin was even PM. All over Canada actually. When I was a kid, I remember discovering that my friend's dad had this weird shrine in his basement where he taped up newspaper clippings of PET and he had written gently caress YOU and stuff like that with a marker on them and I found it so weird and I think it actually helped get me interested in politics.
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Feb 10, 2022 22:03
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InfiniteZero posted:All over Canada actually. When I was a kid, I remember discovering that my friend's dad had this weird shrine in his basement where he taped up newspaper clippings of PET and he had written gently caress YOU and stuff like that with a marker on them and I found it so weird and I think it actually helped get me interested in politics. lol
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Feb 10, 2022 22:05
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infernal machines posted:Again, in big bold letters: The protests are not about vaccination requirements for truckers If anything, Companies wouldn't want unvaccinated truckers crossing the border either because they're likely responsible for their travel insurance.
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Feb 10, 2022 22:05
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If I was a world leader and dipshit Canada let it's plaguerats run back and forth over my border I'd be talking sanctions ASAP. America is pretty wishy-washy about its COVID response, but throwing spit in their bucket is still a political mistake. Whatever 'truckers' are actually mad about vaccines, it's probably less to do with their job and more to do with any other thing they currently require a vaccine to do.
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Feb 10, 2022 22:06
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InfiniteZero posted:All over Canada actually. When I was a kid, I remember discovering that my friend's dad had this weird shrine in his basement where he taped up newspaper clippings of PET and he had written gently caress YOU and stuff like that with a marker on them and I found it so weird and I think it actually helped get me interested in politics. Good to know the Pepe Silvia unhinged conspiracy wall bit was based exactly on reality. Turns out satire died decades ago and somehow I'm not surprised.
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Feb 10, 2022 22:10
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MNIMWA posted:The online right started freaking out because Trudeau said some anti-vaxxers are anti-science, and so on Yes, this is when Trudeau picked a fight. I suspect he looked at polling numbers and saw 80 or 85% of people were vaccinated and figured the only people who would be pissed off is that 15 or 20%, much of whom already hates his guts. This assumes that everyone who is vaccinated has no issues with vaccine mandates, which is incorrect.
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Feb 10, 2022 22:12
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Saying that people who are "fiercely against vaccination" are often "racist and misogynist" is definitely trying to antagonize/shame them as a group. That's a surprising choice from Trudeau.
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Feb 10, 2022 22:19
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infernal machines posted:Saying that people who are "fiercely against vaccination" are often "racist and misogynist" is definitely trying to antagonize/shame them as a group. That's a surprising choice from Trudeau. Well they sure proved him wrong.
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Feb 10, 2022 22:22
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Count Roland posted:Yes, this is when Trudeau picked a fight. I suspect he looked at polling numbers and saw 80 or 85% of people were vaccinated and figured the only people who would be pissed off is that 15 or 20%, much of whom already hates his guts. It’s also incorrect to assume that everyone who has issues with mandates agrees with the convoy, which appears to be what you’re doing
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Feb 10, 2022 22:24
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making GBS threads on anti-vaxxers is the only thing Trudeau has done to make me get behind him. My favorite anti-Trudeau freakout-over-nothing to date though is still Elbowgate. Especially when so many of them were people defending Rob Ford sprinting through City Hall knocking old ladies over. that'll be tough to top. MasterSitsu fucked around with this message at 22:31 on Feb 10, 2022 |
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Feb 10, 2022 22:28
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What's funny is the conservatives + Jean Chretien have done a lot (in the overall larger Reagan hellscape) to make the lives of these people miserable. Yet they lack the language, context and frame of mind to identify the sources of these problems so it's Trudeau's fault because tribal identity trumps reality.
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Feb 10, 2022 22:35
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Testikles posted:And if I recall correctly, it's not about "blackface is offensive", but the "hypocracy" of calling things racist when he did a racist thing. They just absolutely love posting the pictures over and over too. Let's them think they're being stealth racist.
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Feb 10, 2022 22:39
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https://twitter.com/theserfstv/status/1491845130256408600 Don't worry folks, the police are now on the scene at the trucker camp and will soon begin dealing with... Oh. Oh, I'm sorry, the truckers have now formed their own police force. Ottawa PD, OPP, and RCMP still nowhere in sight. Carry on.
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Feb 10, 2022 22:51
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Starks posted:It’s also incorrect to assume that everyone who has issues with mandates agrees with the convoy, which appears to be what you’re doing I don't support the truckers. Too much right wing weirdness for me. But I do oppose vaccine mandates. There is absolutely no reason to keep them around now we have a variant that spreads perfectly well among fully vaccinated people, and after the policy failed to prevent this latest round of lockdowns. I totally understand why people are opposed to these, even if many have other motivations. This policy has been a gift to the fringe right: it gives them a cause to rally behind, and it attracts people from across the political spectrum to their cause. The policy of vaccine mandates should be rolled back. e: double vaxxed here, and I was an early and eager adopter. The vaccines are an amazing invention Count Roland fucked around with this message at 22:59 on Feb 10, 2022 |
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Feb 10, 2022 22:51
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Starks posted:The Pierre thing might be valid for old blood Canadians that somehow inherited it through their parents, but the most adamant JT haters I know in the GTA are 20-40yo first/second gen immigrants whose families weren't even here yet when Pierre was PM. Most of them couldn't tell you anything about him other than the October crisis. My family and I moved to Canada in the early 2000's and maybe once or twice a year my dad will mention how PET screwed up Canada which is weird because he never lived in Canada when PET was PM. That being said my dad actually likes Trudeau (though he will vote Con every time but doesn't mind JT being PM). As for the truckers there are people who are vaxxed who hate the mandates. They usually tell you this by starting a sentence with "I didn't want to get vaxxed but my work forced me to...". There are people who also dislike wearing a mask everywhere and other rules. And you know what. They do it anyway because they can perceive that the whole thing is bigger than them. Calling the truckers a whole bunch of mean names is not so egregious when most of it is true.
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Feb 10, 2022 22:52
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The mandates should have just upped to three shots which does provide more protection and continued to expand as newer vaccines came out. And regardless it's not just about the spread, every one of those unvaccinated idiots is much more likely to end up in the ICU or require longer term hospitalization and keep overburdening the hospital system, delaying surgeries and whatnot as a result. gently caress them and their lack of basic human decency. They're being asked to do the bare minimum civic duty and they won't. This isn't WW2, they aren't being asked to ration food and aluminum for years on end. They're being asked to get a free vaccine that's easily available. Mr Luxury Yacht fucked around with this message at 23:04 on Feb 10, 2022 |
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Feb 10, 2022 22:55
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Count Roland posted:I don't support the truckers. Too much right wing weirdness for me. The vast majority of people being hospitalized with Omicron are the unvaccinated. You can argue that this is their own grave to dig, but their making GBS threads up the hospitals prevents people with other conditions from getting care and accelerates healthcare worker burnout. Those are two very real crises that are being caused by people going unvaccinated. I don't think the existing vaccine mandates (which are nowhere near as restrictive as they could be) are going too far in trying to mitigate those crises.
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Feb 10, 2022 23:02
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infernal machines posted:Saying that people who are "fiercely against vaccination" are often "racist and misogynist" is definitely trying to antagonize/shame them as a group. That's a surprising choice from Trudeau. Is it really "antagonizing" when they're already calling for your arrest and/or execution?
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Feb 10, 2022 23:03
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Count Roland posted:I don't support the truckers. Too much right wing weirdness for me. There are no mandates. Restrictions are explicitly a passive coercion method. No one is forced to do anything Vaccines to in general lower viral load which lowers infectivity, even if it does not sterilize. It also keeps people from deteriorating as far or as fast as they could and in general takes pressure off the already underfunded healthcare system. The only gift to the right wing that matters is the utter lack of management that has been applied to the security apparatus. Because neoliberals have a religious faith in markets to deal with things, just as the liberals did in the 1900s, a whole bunch of them are going to get a rude awakening and be liquidated as high capital switches their favor
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Feb 10, 2022 23:04
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