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HootTheOwl posted:Really? I thought you could always have chalice checked your opponent? The tournament rules for missed triggers changed a lot during those times, I couldn't keep it straight because it felt like every few months something different happened.
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Sickening posted:Does that only cover your own bob triggers and not exactly your opponents tabernacle? Good point, it's still a gpe but there's no penalty. However is you keep racking up the same gpe
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HootTheOwl posted:Good point, it's still a gpe but there's no penalty. However is you keep racking up the same gpe Right, and that is a very large difference. The days of not long past, if you attempted to settle the wreckage them while they have a leyline of sanctity, you were getting a warning. These days, you get told "you can't do that". Cheating through sloppy play is now easier than ever.
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kalel posted:I'm saying add the vintage card pool but don't actually make a vintage queue. vintage is for serial killers Any format with Force of Will is for hosed up psychopaths, by default.
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Feb 10, 2022 18:33
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Even experienced players aren't aware of the missed triggers thing. I miss my tabernacle triggers on cockatrice because I can't leave a die on my deck then have to go back for them Had an awkward argument with a guy on that
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drat, didn't know they made statues like this for mtg characters https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=blh4BS_mHHU&hd=1 big lol at the price though, $1500, I thought it'd be like half that or 2/3 that at most
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The handpainting is driving that price more than anything I bet. And it's beautifully painted.
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Paul Zuvella posted:That’s literally what judges are there for. Yes, I didn't object to the judge call itself, I just could have maybe used some warning before having someone shout directly in front of me when it's late, I'm tired, and the unexpected "you did something wrong" yell spikes casual anxiety. It is what it is, I was just contributing my own instance to the previous mentions and discussion of judge calls. Perhaps maybe there should be some etiquette beyond abruptly shouting while only a couple feet in front of someone?
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Sickening posted:Right, and that is a very large difference. The days of not long past, if you attempted to settle the wreckage them while they have a leyline of sanctity, you were getting a warning. These days, you get told "you can't do that". Cheating through sloppy play is now easier than ever. What? Committing a GPE definitely still carries a warning (in an event where the IPG is in force, which are few and far between, at the moment), and casting a spell with illegal targets is definitely a GPE. Missed Triggers currently carry no penalty, but 1) there is a warning if it's considered "Generally Detrimental" - there are basic rules of thumb here like "if the card wouldn't be played if it didn't have the trigger, it's beneficial"; there's also a few judges who put together a list with each new set of the ones that are generally detrimental. There's also the remedy of "if it's been less than a turn since it was missed, you can resolve it now" piece, so if your opponent misses a trigger and you want it to happen, you can just make it happen. Triggers are a really lovely area to try to craft policy around; you can't just write rules that say "these things are mandatory" without ruining something else. If you require all players to manage all the triggers, then you're basically requiring you to play both your and your opponent's deck. If you go too far the other way and just ignore them if they get missed, then players just miss them intentionally. A trigger can only get missed now if 1) both players missed it or 2) one player missed it, and the players not responsible for it didn't bother to say anything. I won't argue too hard against "cheating through sloppy play is now easier than ever" because in one sense, that's very true. The penalties for just about all infractions have been reduced. As someone who's only ever floor judged (I've head judged very small events, but at that scale, it's the same) so I don't know how things are really tracked in terms of patterns. It's common practice to ask a player if they've received any penalties earlier in the day, but that's hardly a solution. (And if a player cops to it and gets a warning upgraded to a game loss or something; I don't know if anyone actually bothers to check the database or whatever to see if that's happening to the same players over and over.)
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Perry Mason Jar posted:The handpainting is driving that price more than anything I bet. And it's beautifully painted.
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Captain Invictus posted:yeah the painting is nice, I just can't not see opaque fire effects like that as anything but flamin' hot cheetos based on that video thumbnail, it looks like the hair-fire coloration is reversed, which is hilarious, and is part of why it's cheeto-lookin. (real fire is yellow on the interior hottest parts and oranger/redder on the exterior cooler parts)
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Judges aren’t real anymore so tournament rules don’t exist. Just cheat.
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If I have an Cloudsteel Kirin that is reconfigered onto something and i'm at -5 life, I can't reconfigure it onto something else or I die immediately, correct?
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Leperflesh posted:based on that video thumbnail, it looks like the hair-fire coloration is reversed, which is hilarious, and is part of why it's cheeto-lookin. They do it that way for Chandra because that’s how red hair works. It’s paler/yellow as the hair gets thinner.
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mcmagic posted:If I have an Cloudsteel Kirin that is reconfigered onto something and i'm at -5 life, I can't reconfigure it onto something else or I die immediately, correct? If you have 0 or less life while Cloudsteel Kirin is equipped to a creature, activating reconfigure to attach Cloudsteel Kirin to another creature you control doesn't cause you to lose the game. You would lose the game if Cloudsteel Kirin becomes unattached or becomes attached to a creature you don't control.
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State based effects (like losing or winning) aren’t checked until resolution is complete so you can reconfigure it.
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LeafHouse posted:State based effects (like losing or winning) aren’t checked until resolution is complete so you can blink or reconfigure it. Glad I asked lol.
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LeafHouse posted:State based effects (like losing or winning) aren’t checked until resolution is complete so you can blink or reconfigure it. Blink would kill you, unless you have an ability that says it ETBs already equipped as it blinks back in
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im reminded of the time someone tried to eldrazi displacer a master of waves to kill all the elemental tokens it did NOT work out well for him
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mcmagic posted:If I have an Cloudsteel Kirin that is reconfigered onto something and i'm at -5 life, I can't reconfigure it onto something else or I die immediately, correct? You can. Since there's never a time during this process where the kirin isn't attached there's never a time where you're able to lose
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Devor posted:Blink would kill you, unless you have an ability that says it ETBs already equipped as it blinks back in Oh yeah my bad I should probably read the card before answering questions about it.
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Neth posted:https://magic.wizards.com/en/articles/archive/news/statement-saiba-trespassers-cards-2022-02-09 I couldn't pinpoint exactly when the shift happened, but probably somewhere in the last five years or so. Captain Invictus posted:drat, didn't know they made statues like this for mtg characters ed: vvvvv That's welcome to hear at least. I'm still wary because the temptation has got to still be there for the upper leadership. Zero_Grade fucked around with this message at 17:00 on Feb 11, 2022 |
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hasbro did say that nfts for mtg weren't off the table, but that was back in april 2021; they haven't actually done nfts nor has hasbro even mentioned mtg nfts again from looking on google so hopefully they saw the massive pushback in recent months and got cold feet
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Reid Duke is playing 3x Behold in his draft deck and is like, i would play 2-3 more lol
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mcmagic posted:Reid Duke is playing 3x Behold in his draft deck and is like, i would play 2-3 more lol yup
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flatluigi posted:hasbro did say that nfts for mtg weren't off the table, but that was back in april 2021; they haven't actually done nfts nor has hasbro even mentioned mtg nfts again from looking on google so hopefully they saw the massive pushback in recent months and got cold feet lolling at the idea of a guy pitching nfts to wotc, his big selling point being that you can create these still images and sell them to rubes for a nearly infinite profit margin.
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little munchkin posted:lolling at the idea of a guy pitching nfts to wotc, his big selling point being that you can create these still images and sell them to rubes for a nearly infinite profit margin. Conceptually, NFTs are the perfect idea to implement something like a digital TCG. A set of cards are "printed" and you either get a "booster" of tokens or some singles (either direct from WoTC or another player) and your cards, while functionally identical to others of the same card, are "physically" different cards, like in paper. MTGO does this just using a database, though, which is the "correct" way to do it, because there's no point in the ledger being decentralized and trustless. In other words, the best possible use for something like an NFT, a little bit of code that's the same as someone else's little bit of code, but still unique, is still stupid, but everyone here already knew that.
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The joke is collectible card games are already proto-NFTs. The only difference is that the mods ban discussion about right click -> save as -> print
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CellBlock posted:Conceptually, NFTs are the perfect idea to implement something like a digital TCG. Actually it's the opposite because the trading cards function as game pieces and therefore need to be incredibly fungable. A plains being interchangable with any other plains is integral to the game
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HootTheOwl posted:Actually it's the opposite because the trading cards function as game pieces and therefore need to be incredibly fungable. A plains being interchangable with any other plains is integral to the game Every NFT is fungible, you just need to change the image a URL points to.
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CellBlock posted:Conceptually, NFTs are the perfect idea to implement something like a digital TCG. A set of cards are "printed" and you either get a "booster" of tokens or some singles (either direct from WoTC or another player) and your cards, while functionally identical to others of the same card, are "physically" different cards, like in paper. <Runs breathlessly into thread> My dood have you heard of the Emergents TCG?!? It's got hall of famers BDM, PVDDR, and Zvi Mowshovits behind it!
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They seem to be making money milking the big fish who spend alot on random nonsense so that is probably who will by the NFTs.
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I was listening to the Limited Resources podcast to get ready for this weekend and lol that they're sponsored by an NFT site... I am assuming even if WOTC isn't doing it themselves that there's probably a lot of crypto bros in the "magic community"? I remember MTGOXFuzzy Mammal posted:<Runs breathlessly into thread> lmao
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CharlieFoxtrot posted:there's probably a lot of crypto bros in the "magic community" Yes. But also. There's a lot of grifters in the "Magic Content Creator" arena, and they will shill basically anything to get that paper. See also: FAB/MetaZoo/etc.
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New version of Zendikar Expeditions, an nft version of a card in the set hidden in one out of every 100 cases. Each and only has one in the entire run.
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Perry Mason Jar posted:Every NFT is fungible, you just need to change the image a URL points to. Yes; but that's not what makes them fungable. Because an NFT of an image is not an image.
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CharlieFoxtrot posted:s that there's probably a lot of crypto bros in the "magic community"? There's a local grinder here in a BAYC hoodie.
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Fuzzy Mammal posted:<Runs breathlessly into thread> i would love to see the reaction if they had to ban a card in this environment
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