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An Actual Princess
Dec 23, 2006

xenoblade 2 was a ton of fun. just a great time.

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The Pirate Captain
Jun 6, 2006

Avast ye lubbers, lest ye be scuppered!

100YrsofAttitude posted:

That wasn't the first time you played it, right? Ignorance is saving me on that one since I've never played any Paper Mario, aside from Super Paper Mario, so I can't miss what I never knew.

It's the thing that's keeping me from blowing so much money on games I'll never play in general in fact...

Paper Mario is the only N64 game that’s just as fun to play today as it was when it was first released. It really is a fantastic game. Charge $10 or more, Nintendo, I would spend it. But I’m not renting it.

TTYD is better though.

100YrsofAttitude
Apr 29, 2013




Felter Chesthard posted:

I just finished Skyward Sword last night. I've seen pretty much everyone rank it as one of the worst Zeldas but I actually really enjoyed it. Disclaimer: I played Link to the Past and BotW but missed everything in between so maybe even a bad Zelda is good.

That said, I started using the joycons and was repeatedly embarrassed by the first 'boss'. Switched to using the Pro Controller and other than having to hold L so the right stick controls the camera it is miles better.

Controversial opinion - I liked Skyward Sword better than the Links Awakening remake. LA just felt like a not as good LttP and Skyward Sword was more unique. But again i missed all the in betweens so maybe if I played Majora's Mask or whatever I would change my mind.

That's super interesting. I think LA's plays worse than LttP, but it has just oodles of charm, which the remake amplifies to 11. Plus, the story is far more poignant versus the very boiler-plate plot LttP gives you.

Skyward Sword isn't great, and I enjoyed it more as cool way to see where BotW came from. I may have enjoyed it more otherwise, but just that experience was enough for me. It's certainly a unique game and the dungeons and level lay-out is fun, but there are just so many missteps and genuinely unfun things in the game from the empty sky, to the repetitive boss fights, to the wholly dull but involved combat. But still, if you enjoyed it that's the best case scenario.

I'd be curious what you'd think of Wind Waker since for me it has a lot of SS's best aspects and then some. MM is excellent, but if you didn't appreciate the character of LA then MM may pass you by. The gameplay is terrific and it has some excellent dungeons and sequences, but what puts it so high in consideration is it's characterization and mood. If you want something more standard that still retains good gameplay (arguably a bit worse than MM) try Ocarina of Time.

GreenBuckanneer
Sep 15, 2007

The REAL Goobusters posted:

Thats crazy cuz I put only 75 hours into it and beat the game it was a grand ol time

Some of those hours were grinding for gold chips or the droprate chips, to grind for legendary cores for KOS-MOS only to not get KOS-MOS and get tons of fodder blades I’d never use if you paid me.

It made me mega mad because I wanted my goddamn robot woman from the better xeno-series

The REAL Goobusters
Apr 25, 2008
I simply would just not try to get KOS-MOS

Andrast
Apr 21, 2010


I recommend not grinding

GreenBuckanneer
Sep 15, 2007

The REAL Goobusters posted:

I simply would just not try to get KOS-MOS

I’m sorry, I only have the ability to speak English. I know not of what this says.

WaltherFeng
May 15, 2013

50 thousand people used to live here. Now, it's the Mushroom Kingdom.
Front Mission 1 & 2 Remake aaaaahhh

Lastdancer
Apr 21, 2008

GreenBuckanneer posted:

Some of those hours were grinding for gold chips or the droprate chips, to grind for legendary cores for KOS-MOS only to not get KOS-MOS and get tons of fodder blades I’d never use if you paid me.

It made me mega mad because I wanted my goddamn robot woman from the better xeno-series

Yeah this is why I dropped it, verbatim. That being said I know in my heart I need to go back and actually finish it before XB3, though. I watched some video by chuggaconroy though and now I know the power of the common blades so I probably will have a better time

Looper
Mar 1, 2012

The Pirate Captain posted:

Paper Mario is the only N64 game that’s just as fun to play today as it was when it was first released. It really is a fantastic game. Charge $10 or more, Nintendo, I would spend it. But I’m not renting it.

TTYD is better though.

ttyd is stronger in some respects but 64 is overall a better game

American McGay
Feb 28, 2010

by sebmojo

Looper posted:

ttyd is stronger in some respects but 64 is overall a better game
:hai:

Rupert Buttermilk
Apr 15, 2007

🚣RowboatMan: ❄️Freezing time🕰️ is an old P.I. 🥧trick...


Nah, I agree. The perfect game would be to combine the two, and trim a lot of extras, because WOW does TTYD have a lot of overused backtracking. I love it, but aaaauuuuggggh.

Astro7x
Aug 4, 2004
Thinks It's All Real

100YrsofAttitude posted:

That wasn't the first time you played it, right? Ignorance is saving me on that one since I've never played any Paper Mario, aside from Super Paper Mario, so I can't miss what I never knew.

I must be really mixed on the Paper Mario Games, but I keep trying them. I loved Super Mario RPG and Origami King, but hated Superstar Saga and Super Paper Mario. Super Paper Mario was the only game I ever sold when I was finished, because I knew I never wanted to play that game again.

Sometimes the games just go on like 10 hours more than they should, and the battle mechanics are so basic and easy to win fights that it bores me.

I've never played Paper Mario on the N64 and wondering if it's worth trying

American McGay
Feb 28, 2010

by sebmojo
Paper Mario is literally perfect. TTYD is someone trying to make a "bigger and better" version of Paper Mario without actually understanding the things about Paper Mario that are great.

Quantum of Phallus
Dec 27, 2010

Xenoblade 2 was one of the first games I bought when I got a switch and it felt like someone played a practical joke on me. It’s such a massive pile of poo poo

Quantum of Phallus
Dec 27, 2010

Powerslave: Exhumed on the other hand, owns

Chieves
Sep 20, 2010

American McGay posted:

Paper Mario is literally perfect. TTYD is someone trying to make a "bigger and better" version of Paper Mario without actually understanding the things about Paper Mario that are great.

I dunno, the concept of a Pianta Mafia, a chapter about wrestling, and a Train Whodunit are absolutely inspired ideas that make TTYD so much more memorable in my eyes.

Waffle!
Aug 6, 2004

I Feel Pretty!


Is Viva Pinata on Switch yet?

RC Cola
Aug 1, 2011

Dovie'andi se tovya sagain

The REAL Goobusters posted:

Xenoblade 2 is good

Rupert Buttermilk
Apr 15, 2007

🚣RowboatMan: ❄️Freezing time🕰️ is an old P.I. 🥧trick...

Chieves posted:

I dunno, the concept of a Pianta Mafia, a chapter about wrestling, and a Train Whodunit are absolutely inspired ideas that make TTYD so much more memorable in my eyes.

Those parts are indeed great, and if they were attached to PM64 instead, it'd be perfect.

Bug Squash
Mar 18, 2009

The duality of man that exists with Xenoblade 2 is down to it having a good game in there, but drowned under catastrophically bad decisions and a total contempt for the value of your time. And the loving anime.

I still have good memories of Xenoblade 1, so I'll wait until the sensible reviews come out.

An Actual Princess
Dec 23, 2006

Anime is good

Quantum of Phallus
Dec 27, 2010

Sure but British accents are not

An Actual Princess
Dec 23, 2006

agreed.

i'm playing through xenoblade 1 since i never did before and i figure i should before 3 comes out and the voice acting is just hilarious. How am I meant to take any of this seriously with constant "IT'S REYN TIME" every five seconds in battles

Tender Bender
Sep 17, 2004

100YrsofAttitude posted:

I have decided once more not to get the expansion pack. There's just not the games I want to try out just yet (or that I have the time to play), and it is still a lot more money than I'm willing to pay annually at that.

I'll just pay for the Mario Kart DLC, 25 euro is not bad.

I thought about our Family Plan thread, which is a great idea, but I'm a bit shy about being beholden to internet people I think.

Did they add former DLC to the expansion pass? Like BotW, Hyrule Warriors, or Splatoon 2? Or is it just AC and Mario Kart at the moment? It seems like more of a rip-off than I realized at first.

For me it's up to whether Majora's Mask is a good emulation or if it's got some wonky stuff like OOT. If I wouldn't play MM I'll just keep buying dlc piecemeal

abelwingnut
Dec 23, 2002


just saw the live a live trailer and, my god, that looks fantastic. it might have the best art style of any jrpg i've seen? i would happily spend hundreds of dollars on each of chrono trigger, ff6, and smrpg done in that style. wow, i love that.

also, did nintendo ever patch up the switch release of ocarina of time? i remember this thread going off on the initial release and its egregious issues.

Schir
Jan 23, 2012


xenoblade 2 is a game with a good core gameplay loop and a mostly alright cast of characters with a plot that occasionally rises out of the ocean of self-indulgent bullshit it spends most of its time wallowing in to do something halfway interesting. it's interesting in places, and it's usually pretty decent to actually play, but the game indulges itself in a way that was grating enough of the time that I ended up dropping it after getting a new tutorial popup 100 hours in after a handful of cutscenes that didn't feel like they served any purpose and just dragged things out even longer.

GreatGreen
Jul 3, 2007
That's not what gaslighting means you hyperbolic dipshit.
I like RPG's and would like to play the Xenoblade 1 re-release but I have a question about it.

How does your character's power advancement manifest itself? For example, in Diablo, you have builds that come from leveling which gives you access to skills, and you get better gear over time which dictates how powerful those skills are. That's plainly obvious with Diablo, but I've never really seen anybody showcase anything about how player progression works in Xenoblade. You see plenty about the world, the characters, and small tutorials about how combat works, but not about how you advance in power and capability over time.

Do you get better armor that looks progressively cooler? Different weapons? More expansive combat options per character build?

GreatGreen fucked around with this message at 21:02 on Feb 11, 2022

KingSlime
Mar 20, 2007
Wake up with the Kin-OH GOD WHAT IS THAT?!

A GLISTENING HODOR posted:

LOL in 2 years the Switch 2 is coming out and the purchases won't carry over and you'll just be buying Mario Kart all over again.

Some of us like giving Nintendo money. Do you even know the switch thread??

Although I also like giving Sony money too tbf

Upsidads
Jan 11, 2007
Now and then we had a hope that if we lived and were good, God would permit us to be pirates


Quantum of Phallus posted:

Sure but British accents are not

They are better than good

An Actual Princess
Dec 23, 2006

GreatGreen posted:

I like RPG's and would like to play the Xenoblade 1 re-release but I have a question about it.

How does your character's power advancement manifest itself? For example, in Diablo, you have builds that come from leveling which gives you access to skills, and you get better gear over time which dictates how powerful those skills are. That's plainly obvious with Diablo, but I've never really seen anybody showcase anything about how player progression works in Xenoblade. You see plenty about the world, the characters, and small tutorials about how combat works, but not about how you advance in power and capability over time.

Do you get better armor that looks progressively cooler? Different weapons? More expansive combat options per character build?

diablo isn't anything like xenoblade so jot that down

glassyalabolas
Oct 21, 2006
I want to bowl with the gangsters...

Not sure if this was covered already but Chrono Cross is $20.

https://square-enix-games.com/en_GB/news/chrono-cross-the-radical-dreamers-edition

GreatGreen
Jul 3, 2007
That's not what gaslighting means you hyperbolic dipshit.

FFXIV Porn posted:

diablo isn't anything like xenoblade so jot that down

Yes, I'm very aware of that, thanks. I've seen video of Xenoblade's combat. I didn't just see the cover art and decide to ask about it just based on that.

I'm asking about stuff that's not immediately apparent in most gameplay videos of a long-format game like this one.

CharlestheHammer
Jun 26, 2011

YOU SAY MY POSTS ARE THE RAVINGS OF THE DUMBEST PERSON ON GOD'S GREEN EARTH BUT YOU YOURSELF ARE READING THEM. CURIOUS!
Xenoblade 2 is what people pretend Xenoblade 1 was

Snake Maze
Jul 13, 2016

3.85 Billion years ago
  • Having seen the explosion on the moon, the Devil comes to Venus

GreatGreen posted:

Yes, I'm very aware of that, thanks. I've seen video of Xenoblade's combat. I didn't just see the cover art and decide to ask about it just based on that.

I'm asking about stuff that's not immediately apparent in most gameplay videos of a long-format game like this one.

The specifics vary, but generally speaking: leveling up gets you better stats, skill points (sometimes earned from leveling, sometimes from sidequests and stuff) lets you improve your skills, and you can both get new gear with better stats, and slot gems into gear to get various bonuses. There's also normally a customizable set of passive skills to mess with.

The REAL Goobusters
Apr 25, 2008

Quantum of Phallus posted:

Sure but British accents are not

Xenoblade 2 is better in Japanese since it plays out like an actual anime. with the same voice sound effects and all

GreatGreen posted:

I like RPG's and would like to play the Xenoblade 1 re-release but I have a question about it.

How does your character's power advancement manifest itself? For example, in Diablo, you have builds that come from leveling which gives you access to skills, and you get better gear over time which dictates how powerful those skills are. That's plainly obvious with Diablo, but I've never really seen anybody showcase anything about how player progression works in Xenoblade. You see plenty about the world, the characters, and small tutorials about how combat works, but not about how you advance in power and capability over time.

Do you get better armor that looks progressively cooler? Different weapons? More expansive combat options per character build?

whens the last time you played a jrpg?

16-bit Butt-Head
Dec 25, 2014
Probation
Can't post for 3 hours!
i like nintendo

The Anime Liker
Aug 8, 2009

by VideoGames

KingSlime posted:

Some of us like giving Nintendo money. Do you even know the switch thread??

Although I also like giving Sony money too tbf

I defy someone to name a reason to not give all my money to Nintendo

Fuligin
Oct 27, 2010

wait what the fuck??

xenoblade 1's alright, wouldnt wish 2 on my worst posting enemies

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xedo
Nov 7, 2011

GreatGreen posted:

I like RPG's and would like to play the Xenoblade 1 re-release but I have a question about it.

How does your character's power advancement manifest itself? For example, in Diablo, you have builds that come from leveling which gives you access to skills, and you get better gear over time which dictates how powerful those skills are. That's plainly obvious with Diablo, but I've never really seen anybody showcase anything about how player progression works in Xenoblade. You see plenty about the world, the characters, and small tutorials about how combat works, but not about how you advance in power and capability over time.

Do you get better armor that looks progressively cooler? Different weapons? More expansive combat options per character build?

You get 3 types of xp: character levels, weapon skills to increase, and character talents/passives.

Gear and gems to enhance said gear.

There's a friendship system that allows each character to equip talents from other characters, gated by friendship levels and how many named monsters you kill.

And gear in the original made you look like a clown, but you can choose your appearance in the remaster.

It's super complex and doesn't really matter if you just outlevel enemies by even a little bit.

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