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stab posted:Do they not know how criminal.money laundering works? No.
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Feb 11, 2022 18:14
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stab posted:Do they not know how criminal.money laundering works? They appear to be fairly familiar with it as this questionable news outlet notes that they apparently distribute the received funds through an American non-profit to be distributed via cryptocurrency. So they know about it in the bad sense of knowing about money laundering.
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Feb 11, 2022 18:23
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tagesschau posted:https://twitter.com/GiveSendGo/status/1491940399505682434 Didn't know that Sov Cits were an international mental health crisis Does Canada even have gold fringed flags? Also lmao these chucklefucks are so screwed
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Feb 11, 2022 18:26
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I'm so sorry
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Feb 11, 2022 18:28
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Can you really blame these people for thinking they're above the law at this point?
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Feb 11, 2022 18:45
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I'm loving the non-profit's name: "Incorporated Freedom 2022 Humans Rights and Freedom Association" all it's missing is a few more Freedoms in it.
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Feb 11, 2022 18:54
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I wonder what took Trudeau so long to declare a state of emergency?
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Feb 11, 2022 18:55
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If we're calling it an insurrection, and it turns out the funding and seemingly even participation is mostly US based, is that enough to call it an invasion? I'm only half kidding.
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Feb 11, 2022 19:04
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I think they're relying on The Internet Privacy Act which was signed by Bill Clinton in 1995.
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Feb 11, 2022 19:12
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Epic High Five posted:You've made a lot of very definitive statements here, could you provide some sort of primary source proof or documentation of them so that your proclamations can be analyzed and debated? Yes, absolutely. My personal life has become very busy for the next few days so I won't be able to post much until next week. Count Roland posted:Now, they did help a bit. Mandates boosted the vaccination rate by a few percent, eXXon posted:Source? This is the paywalled link. https://www.economist.com/graphic-detail/2022/01/22/do-vaccine-mandates-actually-work quote:Here's the text from the article, sorry for any formatting errors: And here are the charts   The first chart shows the estimated difference the vaccine mandates had in different provinces. The increase is a few percent. I'll try and post more before I leave work.
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Feb 11, 2022 19:12
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TulliusCicero posted:Didn't know that Sov Cits were an international mental health crisis It is worth noting that a number of the convoy assholes have self-identified as "the fringe minority". I have also seen banners and flags on their vehicles with literal fringes. And sadly yes, we do have Sov Cits in Canada. stab posted:Do they not know how criminal.money laundering works? This is the thing that makes me laugh (and cry) about all those state attorney generals trying to find ways to sue GoFundMe for refusing to facilitate international money laundering. Like, this was specifically legislated against in the loving PATRIOT act. Now obviously the right wing in the US have a bit of a "nudge-nudge, wink-wink, that's only for Muslim terrorists" attitude, but good luck getting that past a judge in an actual court of law.
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Feb 11, 2022 19:30
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stab posted:Do they not know how criminal.money laundering works? I’ve been sitting here since the GoFundMe began shaking my drat head. I work for a bank and once a year we have it drilled into our head that what they’re all doing is literally Terrorist Financing. Bankers are taught to look out for it but they’re just… doing it, right now, in front of everyone. It’s incredible. It’s HSBC times a million.
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Feb 11, 2022 19:33
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Gros Tarla posted:This is happening after Trudeau is rumored to remove mandatory testing at the border. Can't say I'm entirely against removing the PCR test requirement. Had a family member trapped in the US having to fly to Denver to get one because there weren't any rapid PCR tests (expensive as hell as they were) available in the state, and the turnaround for the publicly available PCR tests was over 72 hours. Tourism operators on both sides of the border are probably pretty relieved.
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Feb 11, 2022 19:51
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mom and dad fight a lot posted:If we're calling it an insurrection, and it turns out the funding and seemingly even participation is mostly US based, is that enough to call it an invasion? Little Green Men, Canadian edition.
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Feb 11, 2022 19:54
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Count Roland posted:Yes, absolutely. My personal life has become very busy for the next few days so I won't be able to post much until next week. Those effects actually look better than I'd have guessed. I think we'll have to wait and see whether the overall cost to society was worth the increase in vaccine uptake, especially when you factor in the age demographics of people who were stimulated into getting the vaccine by the mandate. When it comes to burdens on healthcare, getting a hundred 75 years olds vaccinated is much more valuable than getting a hundred 25 year olds, and so if the mandates mostly affected behaviour in those younger and less at-risk demographics, the overall benefit may not be huge. I think it'll take a while yet to crunch the numbers on that one. On the other hand, I think that mandating vaccination for COVID may have done a lot of damage to vaccines and public health in general. We've basically handed anti-vaxxers a rhetorical tool kit that will serve them for years to come. In part, this is because being pro-vaccine now puts you in the position of having to defend big-pharma, its impunity, vast profits, and close ties to government and regulatory agencies. You're also now in a position of having to carefully demarcate the forms of bodily autonomy and personal choice that are and aren't acceptable. As a leftist this is a horrible corner to be painted into, since while there are good answers to all those questions, the neoliberal mindset that takes marketized healthcare and the right to individual selfishness as immutable facts of nature makes it impossible to deprogram people in any reasonable amount of time. What's more, I think there's a good chance that opponents to vaccination will eventually find a legal case with respect to the mandates/passports/real or imagined vaccine side-effects somewhere that gives them an entry point into a supreme court challenge that might do considerable damage to public health in the future. This will take years to shake out, but I think it's clear that this vaccination program, while unambiguously good for public health, has unleashed some very ugly forces. I don't think that we'd have seen this level of rage if people had not felt railroaded into getting the vaccine, and it remains to be seen whether the long-term effects are worth the cost.
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Feb 11, 2022 20:44
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Ron Paul Atreides posted:For real, it’s honestly unbelievable how milquetoast every level of government is here. I knew they would go more kid gloves with right wingers but never imagined they would just be paralyzed about doing anything at all. They gently caress up native and climate protests in hours. The indigenous protests and railroad blockades in early 2020 lasted quite some time if you recall. Weeks in fact. The enforcement speed isn't much different here. The railroad blockades also caused significant economic damage just like the trucker blockades.
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Feb 11, 2022 20:58
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Count Roland posted:Yes, absolutely. My personal life has become very busy for the next few days so I won't be able to post much until next week. So, not to be a pedantic rear end in a top hat, but that's not a PRIMARY source as was requested. While this isn't a huge problem as the primary source the article is discussing is linked in the article, when people ask for a primary source they want a link to an academic paper or study. This study also sort of shows some of the flaws in your original argument because it shows how much heavy lifting the term "a few" is doing and the timescale which your data measures: You will notice, in that last chart that you posted that supposedly demonstrates your assessment that mandates only boosted vaccination rates by "a few" percent that this increase took place over a period of only two months and, if my ability to read graphs is up to snuff, the relative difference between vaccination rates with and without mandates in place was continuing to grow by the end of those two months.
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Feb 11, 2022 21:56
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In the interest of not getting the Economist more clicks, the relevant articles are: COVID-19 Vaccination Mandates and Vaccine Uptake, a preprint, and: The effect of COVID certificates on vaccine uptake, public health, and the economy, a working paper from an economic think tank. Ironically, to the extent that they make judgements on the results, both seem to suggest that vaccine mandates work. Also, to the extent that you can trust the 'estimated without restrictions' curve from the first paper, it also seems to suggest that Ontario's half-assed restrictions* accomplished less than other provinces. But if you look at Fig 1, Ontario had rather strange trends in first dose uptake - it was dropping significantly till mid-August, but started rising again before the nominal restriction imposition date of Aug 31 (availability and/or eligibility issues?). I wasn't in Ontario then so I'm not sure which restrictions/mandates were announced when, other than that they're nowhere near as comprehensive as Quebec's. I have more to add, but back to work first. Precambrian Video Games fucked around with this message at 22:15 on Feb 11, 2022 |
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Feb 11, 2022 22:07
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https://twitter.com/davidreevely/status/1492250388598517761 Looking forward to seeing what this changes.
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Feb 11, 2022 22:35
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https://twitter.com/Travisdhanraj/status/1492222409612660749?t=9If1cJioujYhw069P_nt1g&s=19 Oh gently caress right off, really?
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Feb 11, 2022 22:36
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https://twitter.com/AndyFillmoreHFX/status/1491909348372758533?s=20&t=P47RMMuEPewU-1lkEY7nxg
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Feb 11, 2022 22:43
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stab posted:https://twitter.com/Travisdhanraj/status/1492222409612660749?t=9If1cJioujYhw069P_nt1g&s=19 Everything else about this bullshit seems to be either US-engineered or funded. Why the gently caress not gently caress with our emergency services too?
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Feb 11, 2022 22:43
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Development posted:https://twitter.com/AndyFillmoreHFX/status/1491909348372758533?s=20&t=P47RMMuEPewU-1lkEY7nxg Someone is committing literal terror attacks, and this dipshits response is to "tone it down". Jesus christ.
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Feb 11, 2022 22:50
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https://twitter.com/CBCNews/status/1492254262935629829
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Feb 11, 2022 22:57
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nine-gear crow posted:Everything else about this bullshit seems to be either US-engineered or funded. Why the gently caress not gently caress with our emergency services too? I detect the distinct stench of Steve Bannon, Roger Stone, and the Mercers in all of this Hell maybe even Trump Org TulliusCicero fucked around with this message at 23:36 on Feb 11, 2022 |
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Feb 11, 2022 23:31
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https://twitter.com/davidreevely/status/1492274517963587587 judge: "i want the blockade gone so traffic can move" lawyer: "ok but can you guarantee there won't be bad weather or construction"
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Feb 12, 2022 00:13
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quote:The police have some discretion and will act with common sense. Looks like we got a comedian here.
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Feb 12, 2022 00:51
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I hate this world. Canada is somewhere between 80-90% vaccinated. Deaths in Canada are something like 8800 unvaccinated vs. 3500 for vaccinated/somewhat vaccinated. Edit: This means that 10-20% of the population dies at a rate of more than 200% than the vaccinated population. "Vaccines don't work!" "Fake stats!" We can see every Xmas; that COVID numbers spike like Everest after the holidays. "Isolating doesn't do anything!" Don't even get me started on masks. Every stupid argument is bolstered by gaslighting and stupidity. Every sane argument is shouted down. This is the age of anti-intellectualism.
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Feb 12, 2022 00:58
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NutShellBill posted:I hate this world. As a professor of great reknown once said Welcome to the new dark ages.
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Feb 12, 2022 01:23
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MA-Horus posted:As a professor of great reknown once said It was called the Dark Ages because we lack records of the period, not because there was a lack of learning and knowledge. 
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Feb 12, 2022 01:31
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Wistful of Dollars posted:It was called the Dark Ages because we lack records of the period, not because there was a lack of learning and knowledge. Sigh. https://youtu.be/WWXLlHyoJxQ
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Feb 12, 2022 01:36
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Bad Religion is best when live: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N5e2zs2Gmio&t=33s Greg Graffin's political punk stage style is "gesticulating lawyer presents closing statements". " WE CAN'T BE MOVED BY RATIONAL VIEWS! WELCOME TO THE NEW DARK AGES!" InfiniteZero fucked around with this message at 01:59 on Feb 12, 2022 |
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Feb 12, 2022 01:56
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https://twitter.com/StephTaylorCP/status/1492287709003583496 fuckin useles buncha bastards the lot of em
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Feb 12, 2022 02:24
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I think at this point you can stop pretending the police are going to enforce anything. The rule of law is done in Ottawa. Smoke 'em if you've got 'em, and if you don't, put a trash bin through the window of a corner store and grab some, no one will stop you.
infernal machines fucked around with this message at 02:33 on Feb 12, 2022 |
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Feb 12, 2022 02:30
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If anyone had to go commit some crimes around the truckers, besides the old west law of getting seriously beaten up, would the police even do anything?
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Feb 12, 2022 02:35
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Put on a nice red "Canada First" hat and give it a shot.
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Feb 12, 2022 02:38
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So have they unblocked the bridge yet?
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Feb 12, 2022 02:43
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infernal machines posted:Put on a nice red "Canada First" hat and give it a shot. Be white, do crime.
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Feb 12, 2022 02:45
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Sucrose posted:So have they unblocked the bridge yet? Last report was they were waiting until midnight because there's a bunch of kids there.
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Feb 12, 2022 02:47
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What, are they going to turn into pumpkins or something?
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Feb 12, 2022 02:54
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