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I don't think there's anybody itt who isn't on edge, but I'd still expect better from professional reporters than this cycle of sensational claims and retractions.
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steinrokkan posted:I don't think there's anybody itt who isn't on edge, but I'd still expect better from professional reporters than this cycle of sensational claims and retractions. I've got bad news for you.
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Sir Bobert Fishbone posted:Eastern Europe: Olivier's Army Are On Their Way Impolite Olivier men
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https://twitter.com/ChristopherJM/status/1492231627329753091?s=20&t=bItGJ_wRj9wortONudn3fg https://twitter.com/ChristopherJM/status/1492250694052687873?s=20&t=bItGJ_wRj9wortONudn3fg https://twitter.com/ChristopherJM/status/1492251360456286217?s=20&t=bItGJ_wRj9wortONudn3fg A little more measured. Don't know what to think of the West's reaction to all this. Is it a move to increase pressure on Putin to back down whether invasion was imminent or not? I also haven't seen whether the orders to military commanders that the US is citing were expected given the exercises or if they're separate. I suppose no one knows.
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Ukraine is really stressing me out. I am software dev in UK, but we outsource a bunch of stuff to contractors in Kyiv. One of my team out there tells me it's just standard Russian bully behaviour but it makes me loving anxious. I get twitchy every time it rolls back to the top of news headlines (instead of Boris being a massive twat). Just want everyone to be ok 
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Feb 11, 2022 22:59
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FishBulbia posted:Let's not doompost yet. I am guessing there will be little fighting in cities. Russia's goal will be decisively defeating the Ukrainian army in the field, something which it should be able to do easily, and then just getting a signature on the "ukraine forever bufferstate" bill It may be their goal but I'm pretty sure the Ukrainian armed forces are fully aware that hanging out in the open when your enemy has air and intel superiority is a profoundly dumb idea. What we know from Chechnya, Fallujah, Mosul and Aleppo is that there is no easy and fast way to take a city held by determined defenders. You can either reduce it to rubble or go house to house and suffer a high casualty rate.
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Lots of people itt going  over literal American propaganda.(USER WAS PERMABANNED FOR THIS POST)
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Robocope posted:Lots of people itt going Yes, Russia would never invade Ukraine, that's preposterous!
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It's unfathomable that there could be a war in Ukraine - Russia has surrounded the country with peace keepers!
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Robocope posted:Lots of people itt going Luckily there aren't many of your ilk left around. steinrokkan fucked around with this message at 23:40 on Feb 11, 2022 |
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Feb 11, 2022 23:16
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Robocope posted:Lots of people itt going Lavrov as an American propagandist is a juicy take that would have made Andropov blush.
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Robocope posted:Lots of people itt going Yea it’s not like Russia hasn’t already invaded Ukraine before and annexed their territory 
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steinrokkan posted:I don't think there's anybody itt who isn't on edge, but I'd still expect better from professional reporters than this cycle of sensational claims and retractions. You shouldn't. They're mostly professional reprinters of press releases, whether from the White House or the Kremlin. Usually both for "balance". And in story like this one they often send reporters with no understanding of Ukraine to get involved --- again, usually from their Washington bureau, or, worse, Moscow one.
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OddObserver posted:You shouldn't. They're mostly professional reprinters of press releases, whether from the White House or the Kremlin. Usually both for "balance". Yeah, it was more of a verbalised sigh of frustration rather than an expression of a belief that the media are capable of competently covering current events of any significance.
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Captain Muffin posted:Ukraine is really stressing me out. I am software dev in UK, but we outsource a bunch of stuff to contractors in Kyiv. One of my team out there tells me it's just standard Russian bully behaviour but it makes me loving anxious. I get twitchy every time it rolls back to the top of news headlines (instead of Boris being a massive twat). Civilians in Kyiv will be living under air raid sirens for a couple weeks but shouldn't be in physical danger. Highly unlikely Russians would go for a twofer siege of Kharkiv & Kyiv. A different matter for active military and civilians in the Eastern regions.
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Robocope posted:Lots of people itt going Ok so what's the goal of this American propaganda.
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What is it with people's first posts in thread and hot takes?
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Xarn posted:What is it with people's first posts in thread and hot takes? The NHL thread gets mad when people start posting during Stanley cup season
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Zakharova seems to be doing a troll face night shift with platitudes about bloodthirsty Anglo-Saxons.BIG FLUFFY DOG posted:The NHL thread gets mad when people start posting during Stanley cup season The Pittsburgh Penguins will win Stanley cup.
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Der Spiegel has some reporting on the US informing Allies individually about its conclusions. These included the specific routes that the US expected Russian troops to take and which tasks individual Russian units would be given. 16 February appears to be the anticipated date of the invasion. Robocope posted:Lots of people itt going which c-spammer's re-reg are you?
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Friendly reminder to everyone, posting about posters is frowned upon by D&D rules.
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Pretty much every date from November to late Feb has been floated as when Putin finally invades, so I do appreciate why people are a little skeptical of whether this will actually happen. For now Putin has what he wants in Ukraine - he occupies Crimea and he has Ukraine fighting in the Donbass, which means NATO won't bother accepting Ukraine. Is there really any reason for him to send the army in?
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Not So Fast posted:Pretty much every date from November to late Feb has been floated as when Putin finally invades, so I do appreciate why people are a little skeptical of whether this will actually happen. There was never any reason for him to send the army in anyways. Even prior to 2014, most of the key NATO members had openly declared Ukraine would not be allowed to join NATO. Its more about the EU.
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Have you discussed the 700 soldiers Denmark mobilized to scare of Putin? I have a feeling might just work.
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Not So Fast posted:Pretty much every date from November to late Feb has been floated as when Putin finally invades, so I do appreciate why people are a little skeptical of whether this will actually happen. Land connection to Crimea Annex DNR Regime change All of it is bad and will probably only harm in the long term but in the long term Putin's dead anyway so Trump posted:Have you discussed the 700 soldiers Denmark mobilized to scare of Putin? I have a feeling might just work.
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mobby_6kl posted:
They're on an Island though, so we need (a) boat(s). Does anyone have a boat(s)? Not So Fast posted:Pretty much every date from November to late Feb has been floated as when Putin finally invades, so I do appreciate why people are a little skeptical of whether this will actually happen. I just read that the US based on intelligence is thinking the 16th is the most likely date. But I can't find the source now.... (Does anyone have a boat?) Trump fucked around with this message at 01:02 on Feb 12, 2022 |
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Not So Fast posted:Pretty much every date from November to late Feb has been floated as when Putin finally invades, so I do appreciate why people are a little skeptical of whether this will actually happen. I see people claiming this, but I don't think the claim has ever been anything other than that from November people started saying 'the Russian buildup around Ukraine is unusual and more than what you would ordinarily see for an exercise' and that the pace of mobilisation made some kind of event in February-March most likely. It's also always been 'there will be about a 2 week period where troops move forwards and field hospitals etc get set up' and that's the phase we are in now. (I accept that you may have seen lots of bad sources)
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Trump posted:They're on an Island though, so we need (a) boat(s). Does anyone have a boat(s)? These boats? https://www.businessinsider.com/russian-ships-sailing-into-black-sea-combat-power-near-ukraine-2022-2 That they are likely going to use in their scheduled "Missile Exercises" that will effectively blockade the entirety of Ukraine's ports?
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Eastern Europe: War of the Rus's
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CommieGIR posted:There was never any reason for him to send the army in anyways. Even prior to 2014, most of the key NATO members had openly declared Ukraine would not be allowed to join NATO. Even then it would be some kind of association agreement at best, EU is even more picky about who they let in (& also includes a mutual defence treaty covering countries which are otherwise neutral with respect to NATO).
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Private Speech posted:Even then it would be some kind of association agreement at best, EU is even more picky about who they let in (& also includes a mutual defence treaty covering countries which are otherwise neutral with respect to NATO). There is an association agreement between EU and Ukraine.
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Paladinus posted:There is an association agreement between EU and Ukraine. Yes, but there could be a deeper one, closer to something like Switzerland. I'm not saying Russia is right in doing the insane things it does, just saying that Ukraine was never going to get into the EU within the next few decades.
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Private Speech posted:Yes, but there could be a deeper one, closer to something like Switzerland. Which Ukraine is planning on going for in 2024-2025 timeframe.
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Private Speech posted:Yes, but there could be a deeper one, closer to something like Switzerland. Ukraine could’ve gotten in sooner than anyone in the Balkans, in my opinion. It’s much closer to the EU floor level (Poland, Hungary) than other prospects, and has no active conflicts with any member state.
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Paladinus posted:There is an association agreement between EU and Ukraine. There is one between EU and Turkey as well. That one hasn't gone anywhere since mid-00s, and is basically dead. Assocation agreements with EU are fickle.
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El Perkele posted:There is one between EU and Turkey as well. That one hasn't gone anywhere since mid-00s, and is basically dead. Assocation agreements with EU are fickle. Turkey is full on run aground on the below issue which Ukraine wouldn't have. cinci zoo sniper posted:and has no active conflicts with any member state.
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steinrokkan posted:I don't think there's anybody itt who isn't on edge, but I'd still expect better from professional reporters than this cycle of sensational claims and retractions. as is often the case, look at what is being done and not what is being said. the scale and scope of evacuations is concerning
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Ukraine isn't getting into the EU, yes, but getting candidate status alone would already have massive benefits and would put the country on the path towards legal, political and economic convergence with Europe. The Russian government doesn't want that for obvious reasons.
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Regarde Aduck posted:can't see any repercussions to letting nazi dirtbag country into the EU, they can join in the race to the bottom along with Poland and Hungary Gentle reminder: Could we not  everything? Jesus. Its so loving old.
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