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Given the significant sensitivity in research to early childhood exposure and response, it should never be surprising when extra time and effort is put into anything that affects children < 5 years of age. If anything, long-term they probably need to actually re-evaluate the exact point of delineation for research and push the age > 5 years generally.
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NoDamage posted:Updated CDC and UKHSA data shows 3-dose vaccine efficacy against hospitalization starting to fall at the 4 month mark. Another round of booster shots, presumably. I've been assuming that would be the situation for a while now.
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Vincent Van Goatse posted:Another round of booster shots, presumably. I've been assuming that would be the situation for a while now. Indeed, isn't Israel already administering 4th shots at the 4 month mark? I feel I remember reading this, figured it'll only be a matter of time before we adopt the same policy.
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ILoveCovidandDeath posted:Admin edit: nope. Going forward, could we get some kind of timelock on hot-button threads like this to prevent people who just reged from posting? It's always some rear end in a top hat's parachute account.
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Feb 12, 2022 04:54
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Gynovore posted:Going forward, could we get some kind of timelock on hot-button threads like this to prevent people who just reged from posting? It's always some rear end in a top hat's parachute account. Someone crazy enough to pay $10 post poo poo like that is crazy enough to make an account, sit on it for a month or whatever, then post it. I don't think it would help.
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Gynovore posted:Going forward, could we get some kind of timelock on hot-button threads like this to prevent people who just reged from posting? It's always some rear end in a top hat's parachute account. Do you mean a time-lock such as a 24 hour wait for brand new accounts to post? I actually think that's not a bad idea in general. I'll forward the suggestion but you might start a thread in https://forums.somethingawful.com/forumdisplay.php?forumid=676. It might slightly reduce people from re-registering only to post really awful poo poo like the (removed) mass suicide manifesto you quoted. Mr Luxury Yacht posted:Someone crazy enough to pay $10 post poo poo like that is crazy enough to make an account, sit on it for a month or whatever, then post it. I don't think it would help. Yeah probably. I'm not entirely sure how alt-checking works on the admin side, so it's still worth mentioning as an idea I think
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Mischievous Mink posted:Indeed, isn't Israel already administering 4th shots at the 4 month mark? I feel I remember reading this, figured it'll only be a matter of time before we adopt the same policy. They're already doing it for the elderly/immunocompromised population at the 5 month mark. A panel's already suggested expanding it to the entire adult population. https://www.reuters.com/business/healthcare-pharmaceuticals/israel-mulls-offering-4th-covid-vaccine-dose-all-adults-2022-01-25/ Looks like it gives a temporary boost in protection but quickly falls to 2+booster levels and there's some comments as to whether we can just jam new boosters into people and not have the immune system completely tweak out. https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2022-01-11/repeat-booster-shots-risk-overloading-immune-system-ema-says This doesn't seem like a viable path. Of course the WHO is completely against the idea of pumping vaccines with limited returns into developed countries while undeveloped countries still languish from lack of vaccines. Is there any new word on the Walter Reed's Pan-Corona vaccine? killer_robot fucked around with this message at 10:23 on Feb 12, 2022 |
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Feb 12, 2022 10:12
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I expect the profit motive is helping drive pan coronavirus sterilizing vaccine development. Pumping 2 year old vaccines into millions must be a huge loss. ...
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droll posted:Posting conspiracy theories in the d&d thread should get a probation.
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killer_robot posted:Let's stay consistent, shall we? If you believe a user is posting conspiracy theories as you seem to be implying here, it is more helpful to explicitly point out where they're promoting conspiracy theories and/or report. edit: though we do not moderate on positions in 2022 D&D. If someone is posting what you believe to be conspiracy theories, they should be called upon to defend them.
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killer_robot posted:Let's stay consistent, shall we? Why do you think Capitalism is a conspiracy? Why do you think Pfizer and Moderna aren't going to do everything they can to maximize profits? Why do you think think there's more incentive to cure instead of treat under capitalism? droll fucked around with this message at 11:30 on Feb 12, 2022 |
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Feb 12, 2022 11:26
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Are you arguing the reason we don't have sterilizing coronavirus vaccines is because of profit motive to continue selling non-sterilizing vaccines? It would be more productive to simply state your arguments (addressing both droll and killer_robot here) instead of speaking in broad generalities. That allows for more focused, meaningful discussion. edit: state what you are arguing clearly. You are both speaking in broad generalities or vaguely. If you want to engage in good faith with each other, speak clearly and stop dancing around the conversation. Thanks. \/\/\/\/\/ Fritz the Horse fucked around with this message at 11:50 on Feb 12, 2022 |
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droll posted:Why do you think Capitalism is a conspiracy? Why do you think Pfizer and Moderna aren't going to do everything they can to maximize profits? Why do you think think there's more incentive to cure instead of treat under capitalism? I repeat myself, and you haven't offered anything useful to the original question. Thank you for your input.
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The capitalist mode of production does not incentivze one and done cures. Moderna and Pfizer operating under the capitalist mode of production will do everything they can to maximize profits for shareholders. Bill Gates protects IP for this reason. That's my position. Calling this conspiracy shows a clear lack of understanding of Capitalism. Digging up weeks old posts without context or understanding is sad and weird and appears more like posting about posters than a concrete argument. (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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Thank you for your input. It remains irrelevant to the original question.
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killer_robot posted:Thank you for your input. It remains irrelevant to the original question. Your question is killer_robot posted:Let's stay consistent, shall we? Where you quote me responding to a conspiracy poster that was subsequently threadbanned, asking me to be consistent. You then ignored my responses and follow up questions about why capitalism working against our best interests wrt COVID is "conspiracy". Now you're ignoring my questions and refuse to clarify your position on it.
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I asked how the walter reed research was going. You gave me some sophomoric doomer-brained anti-capitalism rant about how the EEEVIIILLLLLL forces of capitalism was going to make sure we never got good things. So. Since https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/science/coronavirus-vaccine-tracker.html would seem to suggest there's 12 vaccines approved for full use, 16 in early or limited use, and over 100 in active testing/research; it would seem Pfizer/Moderna/capitalism has somehow managed to not to strangle them all in their crib. I was curious as to whether anyone had any information on data on one of those myriad of Covid vaccine techniques that somehow managed to escape the evil clutches of capitalism or whatever you were going on about there.
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Solkanar512 posted:Your posts here constantly poo poo on regulatory agencies who are literally doing everything in their power to get vaccines approved. This would be approving the vaccines - that's literally within their power.
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if regulatory agencies didn't want to be shat on maybe they should have done the bare loving minimum to inspire any confidence whatsoever throughout the entire pandemic
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https://www.gov.uk/government/publi...1-february-2022 uuuuuhhh, don't like that deltacron ping. This one may not be mucky instruments.
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What did the regulatory agencies do wrong, particularly? The CDC isn't one, and the FDA oversaw the rapid approval of unprecedented vaccines during a plague and they're not actually dangerous.
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whiskey patrol posted:This would be approving the vaccines - that's literally within their power. WHy should they approve a vaccine in a situation where the data doesn't show that it actually works? Why the gently caress do you want them to lie? A big flaming stink posted:if regulatory agencies didn't want to be shat on maybe they should have done the bare loving minimum to inspire any confidence whatsoever throughout the entire pandemic And you think that confidence comes from faking data? Or are you literally just lumping every medical expert and agency out there and blaming them all collectively for the mistakes of a few? If you guys want to have treatments that haven't been shown to be effective, just take some ivermectin like the rest of the chuds out there.
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Comparing the Pfizer vaccine to ivermectin is pretty disingenuous. There's every reason to believe the Pfizer vaccine may be effective in children given that larger doses of the same vaccine has been proven effective in older populations. The issue is they don't know yet how effective a three course vaccine will be yet, but assuming some efficacy and that it takes three months to administer the full course it's not wholly unreasonable to start shots in the arms/thighs now while the data comes in. That said I don't understand why they pivoted away from that approach suddenly, but they must have a reason.
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StratGoatCom posted:https://www.gov.uk/government/publi...1-february-2022 Could you explain this a little more?
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Koos Group posted:Could you explain this a little more? I'll just quote the link
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whiskey patrol posted:This would be approving the vaccines - that's literally within their power. I feel like the view of the FDA that some posters hold is some simplified caricature with Mr. FDA sitting at a desk with an oversized lever that has "Approve" written on it that he just can't get around to pulling. Pharma companies have to meet stringent safety and efficacy requirements, including documenting and providing data to the FDA, prior to the FDA being able to approve anything. If those companies are delayed in providing data, their data isn't impressive from an efficacy point of view, or it shows potential safety issues, the FDA isn't going to try to jump the gun to approve anything unless there's a clearly demonstrated positive risk-benefit. The demand to de facto declare that these vaccines work perfectly and approve them for pediatric patients is no different than previous demands to de facto approve hydroxychloroquine and ivermectin, just because it seemed at the time they might help. There was pressure on the FDA to do so by similarly driven and scientifically disinclined individuals. We need to have solid evidence before we start injecting millions of kids with these vaccines and it takes time to get that evidence, especially in pediatric patients due to all the extra hoops that come with "experimenting" on kids and ensuring there is good follow-up to confirm no lasting issues.
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ElrondHubbard posted:The demand to de facto declare that these vaccines work perfectly and approve them for pediatric patients is no different than previous demands to de facto approve hydroxychloroquine and ivermectin, just because it seemed at the time they might help. There was pressure on the FDA to do so by similarly driven and scientifically disinclined individuals. But the people asking the FDA to act aren't anti-science. They want to take a calculated chance to begin vaccinations now so that, if it's shown effective we're two months ahead on getting that population vaccinated. And if it turns out to not be effective, well, we don't have many alternatives. I totally agree the FDA should take the course it feels is best here, even if it means a delay in vaccinations. But please don't misrepresent this argument as being equal to "treatments" that were never demonstrated to be effective any population.
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ExcessBLarg! posted:But the people asking the FDA to act aren't anti-science. They want to take a calculated chance to begin vaccinations now so that, if it's shown effective we're two months ahead on getting that population vaccinated. And if it turns out to not be effective, well, we don't have many alternatives. But it's not just about the potential for it not being effective, it's about the potential for adverse effects, especially in children who are extremely unlikely to die of COVID in the first place. That's the same reason many countries suspended AZ for people under a certain age threshhold: because they were more likely to die of a blood clot than die of COVID. (But very, very unlikely to die of either.)
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VitalSigns posted:If they approve vaccination for kids and then later have to backtrack on it if the risk of adverse effects turns out to be too high, the turboboost the antivaxx movement would get would be insane Yeah it'd be the end of effective vaccination programs, pretty much forever
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VitalSigns posted:If they approve vaccination for kids and then later have to backtrack on it if the risk of adverse effects turns out to be too high, the turboboost the antivaxx movement would get would be insane Or if it's safe but doesn't help much since the dosage is way too low.
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Alctel posted:Yeah it'd be the end of effective vaccination programs, pretty much forever This is a tangent: I think we're already kinda there. No comment on <5 EUA. Just, it doesn't seem[citation needed] like we'll have an overwhelming vaccinated population for any disease ever again.
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Potato Salad posted:This is a tangent: I think we're already kinda there. Maybe in the US, other countries are still doing pretty well although we are getting bogged down in US anti-vax poo poo (who the gently caress is funding all of this?) If they botched up a children vaccine rollout though, whoo boy all bets are off
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Alctel posted:Maybe in the US, other countries are still doing pretty well although we are getting bogged down in US anti-vax poo poo (who the gently caress is funding all of this?) I'll be getting into that a bit in my antivaxx library posts, but the short version is the even-fringier parts of the dietary supplement industry were probably the largest player in the beginning because they were well-positioned to profit off of it (as well as their association proxies, like these guys). Even later on, as antivaxx became politically polarized, at least one of the right-wing framed antivaccine efforts was actually a front set up by an existing alt-med news network NaturalNews, that rebranded to go far-right. They're the folks who had a way to directly profit by promoting vaccination alternatives, and historically, that's where the antivaxx movement comes from. As I finish writing up the antivaxx movement I'll be introducing a specific regulatory policy that goons can actively champion which will (eventually) remove a lot of the financial incentive for the antivaxx movement. It's too late to stop the deathcount this time, but it would save a lot of other lives- and it's unusual in that it's a policy development situation where doing things like contacting your congressman and spreading the word online can actually make a difference.
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Denmark - 12 February 2022 Not a lot to say. It's like watching a lava flow slowly creep towards a town or something. February will probably hit about the same case total as January, we're up to 2.29 million cases with 105,523 re-infections over the pandemic now. ICU levels staying low, but at what cost - the bodycount hit 37 yesterday... this isn't "winning". Yeah Omicron is less severe than Delta but this still feels like giving up. Table 1. Actual and Reported Denmark COVID Cases reported per day pre:Actual Reported New Total Date Cases Cases Reinf. Hosp. Hosp. ICU Vent Dead ============================================================================================== Feb 12 --- 44,350 2,259 427 1,316 30 (-2) 9 (+0) 37 Feb 11 19.288 48,170 2,968 421 1,379 32 (-1) 9 (+1) 24 Feb 10 45,035 53,747 3,205 415 1,354 33 (-1) 12 (+1) 29 Feb 09 50,252 55,120 3,262 451 1,332 34 (-5) 11 (-4) 21 Feb 08 55,576 49,798 2,759 419 1,315 39 (+8) 15 (+3) 18 Feb 07 57,347 34,849 1,836 314 1,294 31 (-3) 12 (+0) 28 Feb 06 42,234 36,512 1,841 307 1,203 34 (+3) 12 (+0) 18 Feb 05 33,604 39,190 2,061 370 1,138 31 (-2) 12 (-1) 35 Feb 04 37,192 40.179 2,241 376 1,156 33 (+6) 13 (+1) 17 Feb 03 39,792 44,225 2,513 365 1,116 27 (+1) 12 (-4) 21 Feb 02 40,476 55,001 2,992 343 1,092 26 (-2) 16 (+2) 20 Feb 01 46,118 45,366 2,515 337 1,070 28 (-4) 14 (-1) 15 Jan 31 56,397 29,084 1,478 255 1,028 32 (+1) 15 (+0) 17 Jan 30 34,881 36,196 2,055 231 948 31 (-4) 15 (-4) 21 Jan 29 29,907 41,083 2,332 271 922 35 (+2) 19 (+0) 17 Jan 28 38,122 53,655 3,263 305 967 33 (-4) 19 (-3) 26 Jan 27 39,067 51,033 3,119 318 955 37 (-3) 22 (-3) 18 Jan 26 41,695 46,747 3,028 298 938 40 (-4) 25 (-3) 14 Jan 25 48,640 43,734 2,856 318 918 44 (+1) 28 (-1) 14 Jan 24 53,663 40,348 2,501 242 894 43 (+1) 29 (+2) 13 Jan 23 38,017 42,018 2,755 215 813 42 (-3) 27 (-1) 12 Jan 22 34,713 36,120 2,285 220 781 45 (+1) 28 (-1) 25 Jan 21 37,409 46,831 3,160 244 813 44 (-5) 29 (+1) 21 Jan 20 37,420 40,626 2,639 232 825 49 (-1) 28 (-2) 15 Jan 19 37,595 38,759 2,285 248 821 50 (+1) 30 (+1) 16 Jan 18 40,303 33,493 2,002 264 810 49 (-3) 29 (-8) 14 Jan 17 41,486 28,780 1,815 203 802 52 (-7) 37 (-4) 11 Jan 16 28,179 26,169 1,614 159 734 59 (+0) 41 (+1) 16 Jan 15 25,188 25,034 1,644 202 711 59 (-1) 40 (+4) 16 Jan 14 25,883 23,614 1,519 215 757 60 (-4) 36 (-2) 15 Jan 13 23,776 25,751 1,822 194 755 64 (-9) 38 (-8) 20 Jan 12 22,575 24,343 1,614 215 751 73 (+0) 46 (+0) 25 Jan 11 22,656 22,936 1,459 181 754 73 (-1) 46 (-1) 14 Jan 10 23,244 14,414 941 156 777 74 (-3) 47 (-3) 9 Jan 09 16,330 19,248 1,327 126 723 77 (-1) 50 (-2) 14 Jan 08 13,573 12,588 984 161 730 78 (+0) 52 (-1) 28 Jan 07 14,434 18,261 1,482 186 755 78 (-4) 53 (+4) 10 Jan 06 15,417 25,995 2,027 161 756 82 (+2) 47 (-2) 11 Jan 05 17,577 28,283 2,083 204 784 80 (+3) 49 (+2) 15 Jan 04 23,698 23,372 1,701 229 792 77 (+4) 47 (+1) 15 Jan 03* 25,617 8,801 532 169 770 73 (-3) 46 (-4) 5 Jan 02 19,906 7,550 404 163 709 76 (+3) 50 (+1) 15 Jan 01 8,631 20,885 1,049 139 647 73 (+0) 49 (+0) 5 Dec 31 9,728 17,605 1,090 177 641 73 (-2) 49 (-1) 11 Dec 30 19,927 21,403 1,123 178 665 75 (-2) 50 (-2) 9 Dec 29 17,245 23,228 1,205 173 675 77 (+6) 52 (+2) 16 Dec 28 21,955 13,000 670 177 666 71 (+1) 50 (+4) 14 Dec 27 22,616 16,164 639 115 608 70 (-1) 46 (-2) 7 Dec 26 10,965 14,844 644 123 579 71 (-2) 43 (+1) 13 Dec 25 7,853 10,027 463 86 522 73 (-1) 44 (+5) 10 Dec 24 7,054 11,229 527 134 509 74 (+2) 39 (+1) 14 Dec 23 12,605 12,487 613 158 541 72 (+6) 38 (+1) 15 Dec 22 11,591 13,386 531 126 524 66 (-1) 37 (+2) 14 Dec 21 13,011 13,558 501 121 526 67 (+1) 35 (+2) 17 Dec 20 13,288 10,082 --- 85 581 66 (+3) 33 (-2) 8 Dec 19 10,231 8,212 Dec 18 10,049 8,594 Dec 17 10.614 11,194 Dec 16 10,171 9,999 Dec 15 10,775 8,773 --- 96 508 66 (+0) 43 (-3) 9 Dec 13 10,294 7,799 --- 61 480 64 (-1) 42 (+0) 9 Dec 12 6,986 5,989 --- 82 468 65 (+5) 42 (+6) 9 Dec 08 6,560 6,629 --- 72 461 66 (-1) 38 (-1) 7 Dec 01 4,464 5,120 --- 88 439 35 (+1) 35 (+1) 14 Table 2: ICU Bed Usage, Weekly (reported every 2 weeks) pre:Date Bed Availability ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 31 January 313 ICU beds, 27 COVID, 75 available 24 January 322 ICU beds, 38 COVID, 72 available 17 January 328 ICU beds, 54 COVID, 66 available 10 January 331 ICU beds, 72 COVID, 29 available 03 January 331 ICU beds, 76 COVID, 32 available 27 December 316 ICU beds, 71 COVID, 62 available 20 December 317 ICU beds, 60 COVID, 59 available 13 December 319 ICU beds, 64 COVID, 39 available 06 December 310 ICU beds, 67 COVID, 10 available <-- squeaky bum time here 29 November 318 ICU beds, 61 COVID, 25 available https://www.rkkp.dk/kvalitetsdatabaser/databaser/dansk-intensiv-database/resultater/ https://covid19.ssi.dk/overvagningsdata/download-fil-med-overvaagningdata https://experience.arcgis.com/experience/242ec2acc014456295189631586f1d26 https://covid19.ssi.dk/virusvarianter/delta-pcr
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