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MasterSitsu posted:The cops in Paris are tossing out tear gas and are in full blown riot gear (which is not unique there) Its not that I want to cheer state repression. I guess what’s bothering me is the knowledge it realy only flows one direction
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Feb 12, 2022 17:29
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Cops openly admit they are getting bullied by the Ottawa protestors and incrementally managed one arrest with all officers deployed. https://twitter.com/btaplatt/status/1492537404724494348
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Feb 12, 2022 17:50
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Piquai Souban posted:Cops openly admit they are getting bullied by the Ottawa protestors and incrementally managed one arrest with all officers deployed. See, this is genuinely a massive humiliation for the city lmao Like challenging and harassing cops is probably the one universal accepted reason for police use of force. It’s what always gets trotted out as justification; self defence. But because it’s Chuds the cops are intimidated? Lmao
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Feb 12, 2022 18:10
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Jan posted:Please, you would get arrested in a matter of hours. Have you seen the response when that lady threw a chair onto the Gardiner from her condo deck? You’re right, we might end up in a Drake video.
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Feb 12, 2022 18:14
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Ron Paul Atreides posted:Its not that I want to cheer state repression. I guess what’s bothering me is the knowledge it realy only flows one direction I mean, when a small minority demands the democratically elected government disband so they can ??? mandates ??? Trudope ??? Freedom to not have to follow rules ??? and holds the country hostage until ??? demand is met, it's not exactly state oppression as much as the state defending itself. Without even getting into how much the US money and influence is now completely shaping the event, this is basically a group of angry folks saying they don't want democracy anymore. gently caress that. Comparing this to a March for science or First Nations protest or even a g20 type fiasco is nuts because this isn't an attempt to improve power structures, it's straight up an attempt to subvert elections and gain power over the large majority. It seems silly, but I strongly believe this is an existential threat to the existence of the Canadian government and its brand of democracy and needs to be met with loving consequences. Just sucks that every level of government has told the cops to do something and they've, to a pig, refused. Might be army time, regardless of the optics and time to fire and ban from service every single active loving traitor pig out there (its all of them) .
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Feb 12, 2022 18:23
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Lead out in cuffs posted:It is worth noting that a number of the convoy assholes have self-identified as "the fringe minority". I have also seen banners and flags on their vehicles with literal fringes. There's a judge (Alberta? My CanLII game is weak) who's written some hilarious takedowns of his sovereign citizen cases. Whereas other justices just dismiss these people with "All of this is gibberish that does not merit legal analysis" this one writes comedy gold in his judgements. Wish I could remember the name. Maybe someone can chime in? Somebody fucked around with this message at 04:34 on Sep 13, 2022 |
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Feb 12, 2022 18:24
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Hexigrammus posted:There's a judge (Alberta? My CanLII game is weak) who's written some hilarious takedowns of his sovereign citizen cases. Whereas other justices just dismiss these people with "All of this is gibberish that does not merit legal analysis" this one writes comedy gold in his judgements. Case was Meads v Meads and the Judge was JD Rooke: https://www.canlii.org/en/ab/abqb/doc/2012/2012abqb571/2012abqb571.html Yeah is basically now a legal primer on Sovcit crap and legal strategies. Somebody fucked around with this message at 04:35 on Sep 13, 2022 |
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Feb 12, 2022 18:40
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Cocaine Bear posted:and time to fire and ban from service every single active loving traitor pig out there (its all of them) .
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Feb 12, 2022 18:51
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I want to address this post since Count Roland only replied to one of many issues with it.Count Roland posted:I don't think mandates would be going too far if they worked. Hospitals are clogged with the unvaccinated despite vaccine mandates. Meaning the policy of vaccine mandates failed to keep the hospitals running normally. The second paragraph does a good enough job undermining the arguments in the first that it doesn't need to be rehashed. The last part, that mandates are not worth all this, is an interesting point which Roland hasn't clarified, so I'll play devil's advocate for a bit. The Ottawa Citizen had an article the other day about "truckers" who brought their kids on the convoy and have been camping out in Ottawa for weeks. The tl;dr? Well, first off, there are very few actual truckers here (but we knew that) - as far I can tell, only one ice road trucker who operates in Northern Ontario (  at the Okanagan wine tour couple). But the kicker?Almost all of these people quit their jobs over vaccine mandates, and pulled their kids out of school to piss around Parliament Hill for a few weeks. So yes, there is a cost to vaccine mandates. Do I feel sorry for them? The kids, yes. The parents, well, more at the level that I feel sorry for, say, that guy who had his girlfriend shoot him in the chest with a Desert Eagle for youtube lolz. It went through the encyclopedia he used for 'armour' and killed him. If you view them as victims of a well-funded international misinformation campaign, fair enough. But in that case, I don't think the answer is to deny them agency and let them hold public health hostage. The answer is to actually combat misinformation and prevent radicalization of (potentially previously ordinary) people into anti-vaxx/maskers. I have hardly seen any government in Canada put even a tiny bit of effort into this. It's a hard problem, but Finland for example is at least trying to fight disinformation by teaching kids about it in primary school. I'm not sure what could be done for adults but regulating Facebook and banning some of the more egregious bullshit-peddling users and groups would help. It's also a good question how much stubborn anti-vaxxers are on the pro-woo, Jenny McCarthy side of things, versus generic libertarian chuds who are embracing anti-vaxx sentiment as part of the culture wars I'm guessing more of the latter than the former. given that one of the interviewees whines about not wanting his kids to grow up with masks and QR codes (I don't think that's a nuanced criticism of the shortcomings of QR code technology). Still, Ontario for example could do a hell of a lot more to tackle the former. How about banning homeopathy, naturopathy, chiropractic and other bullshit, for a start? Lastly, even if we acknowledge that some anti-vaxxers were radicalized by various mandates (masks included separately from vaccines), I still think it's worth it. Hospital systems were very close to being overwhelmed at peak omicron. An extra 3% vaccinated could have saved thousands of lives - I'm presuming that there's a non-linear response of excess deaths from non-COVID-related reasons once ICUs are close to capacity, so every little bit helps. If you want to know what happens with 5-10% lower vaccination rates, look at the most highly vaccinated states in the US, with far more deaths and hospitalizations despite more beds and hospital capacity (though granted, access for the poor varies and is probably way worse than in Canada). Count Roland posted:Vaccines in general lower viral load, yes. The vaccines were somewhat effective in lowering transmission rates of Delta. The booster shot is somewhat effective in preventing the transmission of Omicron. Two doses however, which is what the vaccine mandates have called for, is not at all effective at preventing transmission. This is why Omicron has swept through the entire world, and why people who are fully vaccinated routinely catch and spread it. The vaccines do however largely protect against severe illness. The bolded claims are, well, bold. In the future, please support such claims with primary sourced evidence in the original post, especially if they're public health/COVID-related. Precambrian Video Games fucked around with this message at 19:04 on Feb 12, 2022 |
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Feb 12, 2022 18:56
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Cocaine Bear posted:It seems silly, but I strongly believe this is an existential threat to the existence of the Canadian government and its brand of democracy and needs to be met with loving consequences. It's kinda funny, despite that disrupting the federal government appears to be the primary goal of this, parliament has been sitting all week, seemingly without issue.
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Feb 12, 2022 19:08
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its been hours and all the Windsor cops have been able to do is move them a hundred feet away from a McDonald's, while meanwhile the crowd on the other side has only grown. There's kids there now.
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Feb 12, 2022 19:13
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MasterSitsu posted:its been hours and all the Windsor cops have been able to do is move them a hundred feet away from a McDonald's, while meanwhile the crowd on the other side has only grown. There's kids there now. They are doing this on purpose and at every single one of these gatherings. They are literally hiding behind children. I cant decide if Im utter disgusted or loving furious at this level of cowardice. These people operate like terrorists and the media, police and government are all treating them with kid gloves and calling them protestors still.
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Feb 12, 2022 19:23
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Furnaceface posted:They are doing this on purpose and at every single one of these gatherings. They are literally hiding behind children. I cant decide if Im utter disgusted or loving furious at this level of cowardice. These people operate like terrorists and the media, police and government are all treating them with kid gloves and calling them protestors still. Yeah this tactic is a carryover from Waco and the US Bureau of Land Management protests. They bring their family as (often willing) human shields knowing Law Enforcement won't touch them.
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Feb 12, 2022 19:26
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MasterSitsu posted:its been hours and all the Windsor cops have been able to do is move them a hundred feet away from a McDonald's, while meanwhile the crowd on the other side has only grown. There's kids there now. On the US side? Bringing your kids to your dangerous borderline terrorist to be your human shield should be grounds for immediate removal of the child from your custody, because you clearly absolutely don't give a gently caress about their well being. These people are disgusting cowards and narcissistic fuckwads. TulliusCicero fucked around with this message at 19:37 on Feb 12, 2022 |
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Feb 12, 2022 19:35
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TulliusCicero posted:On the US side? I'm watching the Windsor stream at https://twitch.tv/themayor_mccheese You see kids walking around here and there, there's people pushing babies in strollers...
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Feb 12, 2022 19:37
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TulliusCicero posted:borderline terrorist
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Feb 12, 2022 19:53
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MasterSitsu posted:I'm watching the Windsor stream at https://twitch.tv/themayor_mccheese https://mobile.twitter.com/jonliedtke/status/1491601342342782977/photo/1
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Feb 12, 2022 19:54
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Why can't the cops just grab and arrest a couple of the most assholish looking?
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Feb 12, 2022 19:56
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Calumanjaro posted:Why can't the cops just grab and arrest a couple of the most assholish looking? You can't arrest a cop
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Feb 12, 2022 20:00
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Calumanjaro posted:Why can't the cops just grab and arrest a couple of the most assholish looking? Or just the ones on the outside edge. Lather, rinse, repeat.
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Feb 12, 2022 20:02
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https://twitter.com/KatGeorgieva/status/1492574193413767174 god drat it, just do something aaaaarghfhfhghhghghfhhafaf https://twitter.com/Gray_Mackenzie/status/1492563565265530886?s=20&t=9kFS-lIJ9Elhq5wnc-9SXg Development fucked around with this message at 20:10 on Feb 12, 2022 |
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Feb 12, 2022 20:04
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gently caress sakes, fire all police in North America at this pont and start from scratch Their organizational sympathy clesrly lies with anti-democratic terrorists.
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Feb 12, 2022 20:09
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MasterSitsu posted:The cops in Paris are tossing out tear gas and are in full blown riot gear (which is not unique there) is it the CRS? they don't gently caress around and have a long history of dealing with protests like every 2 months
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Feb 12, 2022 20:11
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https://twitter.com/TheEagleist/status/1492573247640154118
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Feb 12, 2022 21:06
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Development posted:https://twitter.com/KatGeorgieva/status/1492574193413767174 These people are actually pigs, holy poo poo Like, what do you even get out of defacing that? I've never understood Chuds holy reverence for R TRUPS and Tradition, and they will immediately turn around amd literally poo poo on memorials and government buildings
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Feb 12, 2022 21:42
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TulliusCicero posted:These people are actually pigs, holy poo poo they're props, op
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Feb 12, 2022 21:56
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Development posted:aaaaarghfhfhghhghghfhhafaf That's fine, the fence was only to protect the occupiers from themselves
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Feb 12, 2022 22:27
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Cops can't bring in tear gas, riot gear, and water cannons because there are kids being used as shields. I heard Sloly has threatened the parents with child protection services coming in. Whether or not something will actually happen is anyone's guess. ZeeBoi fucked around with this message at 22:33 on Feb 12, 2022 |
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Feb 12, 2022 22:30
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ZeeBoi posted:Whether or not something will actually happen is anyone's guess. I'm going to go ahead and guess "not". There will always be a plausible justification for not enforcing their mandate. They've been spouting them for two straight weeks now, no reason to stop today. The very minute they feel like doing their job, they will do so, and not before.
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Feb 12, 2022 22:36
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ZeeBoi posted:Cops can't bring in tear gas, riot gear, and water cannons because there are kids being used as shields. I heard Sloly has threatened the parents with child protection services coming in. Lol everyday there's some new bullshit about why ottawa police can't do anything.
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Feb 12, 2022 22:37
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The Royal Canadian Legion have officially criticized OPS: https://twitter.com/RoyalCdnLegion/status/1492607152401305604
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Feb 12, 2022 22:38
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ZeeBoi posted:Cops can't bring in tear gas, riot gear, and water cannons because there are kids being used as shields. I heard Sloly has threatened the parents with child protection services coming in. Threaten? loving don't threaten, just do. Take off the little kid gloves and just take action. There should be a flood of reports to CPS or whatever the provincial equivalent is wherever kids are being used as shields. I understand that the Geneva Convention applies to the military but shouldn't the use of children or innocent bystanders as shields be prohibited during any civil protest where violence is a real possibility? Of course letting the system decide what is a "real possibility" sounds like it would be abused by the authorities. Is there no way to implement such a thing with proper oversight to prevent abuse?
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Feb 12, 2022 22:40
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A thought experiment I've been working through is to try and assess how I would feel if the protestors were taking the same actions but in support of a cause that I strongly agree with. So far I feel that I'd be okay with shutting down trade/commerce, disrupting the streets, and defacing statues/monuments. I wouldn't be thrilled about the noise making as it would seem to be mostly counter-productive and not furthering the goals of the protest. Harassing individual people on the street, making violent threats, bringing children to the protest where violence from the authorities is possible or trying to torch inhabited buildings is verboten. I can't recall other actions protestors have taken and welcome any suggestions for other actions they've taken so I can evaluate how I feel about them.
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Feb 12, 2022 22:52
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I hope everyone in OPS' brass gets sacked for this
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Feb 12, 2022 23:06
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Grouchio posted:I hope everyone in OPS' brass gets sacked for this The brass have lost control of their own force. Its very weird but also kind of scary.
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Feb 12, 2022 23:21
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TulliusCicero posted:Weren't there people harassing women and minorities in Ottowa, and an attempted arson? So much so that OPS set up a hotline specifically to make reports about criminal behaviour from convoy members. One woman was targeted for wearing a mask with one of the convoy fucks following her home shouting "keep walking home girly i'll come and take more than that mask off if you don't take that poo poo off right now." and when she called Police they told her that they knew about the threats and told her don't wear a mask. Just, you know, comply with the demands of the guy threatening to rape you. Nothing could go wrong with that! They also beat a bike courier so bad he had to have surgery to save one of his eyes. Haven't seen anything about it in the news, but although I don't know him personally, there's some overlap in the venn diagram of his social circle and mine so I wound up throwing a few bucks at a gofundme members of his work coop set up to help him and his family cover their bills until he can work again. Dr. Thoss fucked around with this message at 23:46 on Feb 12, 2022 |
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Feb 12, 2022 23:42
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Grouchio posted:I hope everyone in OPS' brass gets sacked for this If by sacked you mean an increased budget and a bunch of awards you probably won't have to hope for too long! Probably get legislated a bunch of new gross powers to use on First Nations and left protests to boot!
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Feb 12, 2022 23:42
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Any 'reform' that happens because of this will just be an increased budget and broadening police powers that'll be used only against local residents.
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Feb 13, 2022 00:04
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https://twitter.com/nytimesworld/status/1492589345576042497?t=SQcIL6V6la5XU2YPGxggLg&s=19 Oh they were just outnumbered and outgunned, I guess the explanation is they just need more money. Sounds like a simple fix
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Feb 13, 2022 01:18
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https://twitter.com/PennyDaflos/status/1492635496408698880?s=20&t=S_jJ42gvyJcbxfpJVjf9UA havin' a normal one
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Feb 13, 2022 01:27
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