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vyelkin posted:the cops are currently torn between their job being to protect capital and their job being to enforce white supremacy I mean its not a hard call for 99% of them.
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I think you’re right that making these measures permanent while doing nothing is a huge red flag.
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white supremacy and capital have been closely linked for decades, supporting one supported the other, but that's starting to break down. and folks, we're going to see some poo poo
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I'll be honest, I did not expect Canada to collapse before USA.
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the tea party wouldn't have been successful in largely taking over the republican party without the gigantic contingent of evangelical christian rightwing voters which does not exist in canada so i dunno how these guys plan on taking over poo poo when everybody hates them
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Lostconfused posted:I'll be honest, I did not expect Canada to collapse before USA. it rules. I'm trying to ignore how colossally stupid this has all become these days but the past few days have been too enticing to gawk at.
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i'm impressed at how little has actually happened since this started
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paul_soccer12 posted:the tea party wouldn't have been successful in largely taking over the republican party without the gigantic contingent of evangelical christian rightwing voters which does not exist in canada so i dunno how these guys plan on taking over poo poo when everybody hates them First Past the Post. They only need to be an organized bloc to take over the Tories, and the Tories only need to be organized to win the election, especially since Canadians vote on autopilot
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Justin: "Someone should DO SOMETHING!!!"
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"They were saying 'Let's go truckers'"
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Don Pigeon posted:Justin: "Someone should DO SOMETHING!!!" the unspecified consequences have been upgraded from "serious" to "very serious."
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paul_soccer12 posted:the tea party wouldn't have been successful in largely taking over the republican party without the gigantic contingent of evangelical christian rightwing voters which does not exist in canada so i dunno how these guys plan on taking over poo poo when everybody hates them Cons got more votes than the Libs last election
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https://twitter.com/Tim_Bousquet/status/1492588793991503879?t=dG-jtQVo8_AJwxZVlYHuAg&s=19 Halifax clown parade going great lol E: https://twitter.com/Tim_Bousquet/status/1492590523344986115?t=iHKDHTLac_g3C4JeD_LvpA&s=19 Just getting up on a stage and announcing my Ls to everyone around Danaru has issued a correction as of 21:08 on Feb 12, 2022 |
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Frosted Flake posted:First Past the Post. They only need to be an organized bloc to take over the Tories, and the Tories only need to be organized to win the election, especially since Canadians vote on autopilot lol if the libs had done proportional voting as promised the PPC would have 21 seats now https://twitter.com/338Canada/status/1438312772098535425
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Durf posted:lol if the libs had done proportional voting as promised the PPC would have 21 seats now fpp... good?
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Brandon Proust posted:fpp... good? It certainly has worked to keep the chuds out of power the last 3 years.
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Piquai Souban posted:Still very funny that one of the most / only significant moves Ottawa Police made was to hire outsourced crisis PR. and they blew their load planting a story about how the police haven't acted because they're afraid of a dangerous extremist element within the protest that the police allowed to encamp in the first place
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everything is always so goddamned dumb, then it gets dumber
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Starsfan posted:It certainly has worked to keep the chuds out of power the last 3 years. somehow it doesn't seem to matter at all when it comes to protesting against the government with their chud cop buddies
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my undemocratic voting system is good because it keeps the wrong people out
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Brandon Proust posted:fpp... good? granted those numbers are based on the current system where a lot of people were voting their 2nd choice of LIB/CON because they were afraid of wasting their vote I suspect the NDP and PPC numbers would have been even higher with ranked voting Danaru posted:Halifax clown parade going great lol are all these people hoping to salvage their torpedoed futures via GoFundMe? I imagine the grifter economy is like Patreon, despite every high profile case raking in the dough, most only have two subscribers bringing in $10 a month
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it's absolutely true that proportional representation would result in megachud parliamentarians gaining power but without it, the tories shift further right in order to snag those voters, and the liberals, at least economically, often do the same in order to hoover up tories who feel like the party has gone too far right. remember that the ndp would have double or more its current tally of seats, and there'd be more than one green (which i don't really care about because they're terrible and dumb but whatever) RealityWarCriminal posted:my undemocratic voting system is good because it keeps the wrong people out yeah this is regrettably part of being an actually representative democracy, some people are always gonna be assholes and that will out. and im not all "but we should free speech them etc etc" but i think seeing the fuckers out in the open is better than magically being surprised when get poo poo like these truckers
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Danaru posted:https://twitter.com/Tim_Bousquet/status/1492588793991503879?t=dG-jtQVo8_AJwxZVlYHuAg&s=19 the zello chat is trying to mobilize a blocking of one of the bridges, can't wait to see how this goes down.
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yeah, i'm not actually saying that fpp is a good system. but that at this moment in time, if you look at a specific data point, it looks pretty good!
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Brandon Proust posted:fpp... good? not really, fpp means when the ppc take over the conservative party then they win a majority with 40% of the vote. under PR basically all those PPC gains come from Con losses (the cons go down by 10 and the PPC go up by 21 so it isn't a straight 1:1 but it's close enough) and in exchange the Liberals are hugely weakened and have to deal with a much stronger NDP. PR also means that's probably the right's ceiling because the right parties combined never break around 40% of the vote, where FPP means as soon as they get their house in order and get to 40% they win a majority and can do whatever they want keeping the PPC out of parliament isn't worth the perpetual liberal/tory majority merry-go-round
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The other thing is the NDP is being starved out since the Tories passed and Liberals continued that Patriotic Fair Elections Act or whatever that removed the federal allowance for parties based on votes. Both Grits and Tories have big money donors so this was aimed squarely at the NDP and still makes me sick.
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vyelkin posted:keeping the PPC out of parliament isn't worth the perpetual liberal/tory majority merry-go-round
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CLAM DOWN posted:I unironically disagree actually the Cons are about to be taken over by the protest brigade since O'Toole just got ousted and the 1/3 of Canadians who support the protesters likely make up a majority of people who will vote on the next Conservative Party leader better hope this next election isn't the one where the country is fed up with Trudeau enough to decide it's the other guys' turn! I'd rather have a rump PPC caucus in Parliament than have the PPC take over the Conservative Party and win a majority with 40% of the vote.
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The people cannot be trusted. I recommend that our government be led by a group of elite Laurentian men who own big houses in Toronto and Montreal.
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Cold on a Cob posted:i know i'm being I don't think it's being allowed to continue, but I do think the protestors are receving tremendous financial support that allows it to continue when most protests normally are running on threadbare support funds, if anything at all. A lot of that money is going to be going towards legal defense for those who were smart enough to already take some for themselves, but I suspect as soon as that tap turns off everything will pretty much evaporate. none of the people in power want this to continue or are letting it, unless trudeau is playing some kind of advanced space chess here to let the conservatives own goal themselves into a shrinking, shrieking base. That's not unheard of from the Ontario Liberals who came up to work for him just before Wynne got the boot, but I think we do sort of try to comfort ourselves thinking that there are people in power who do have control over the situation and are excercising that control one way or the other. I tend to believe Mark Blyth who says almost everyone who is wealthy or powerful doesn't know what's going to happen after the next two weeks, let alone two months, or two years. To me people who have influence and power are just winding up wind-up toys and letting them go and seeing what happens. Sometimes they'll march off into their intended target, other times they'll just spin in a circle, and occasionally they'll tip over and inexplicably catch fire. Dreylad has issued a correction as of 21:57 on Feb 12, 2022 |
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but i can't help but think this is being allowed to drag out on purpose. i can come up with a few reasons the provincial and federal government would do this - calls to defund the police are going to be completely sidelined after this, for example.
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But Mr MacDonald! What if the average citizen is so envious they threaten to march on our wives and children! Then I shall build a railway so expensive and long it will occupy them for several dozen years! *Heritage minute music plays*
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shout out to the counter-protestor in winnipeg who has a sign saying "They have you fighting a Culture War so you don't fight a Class War"
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CLAM DOWN posted:I unironically disagree actually That's because you're the resident shitlib who's happy with our future of a boot stamping a human face forever as long as once in a while a woman or minority gets to wear that boot. Handing the PPC a handful of seats they can't do anything with is a small price to pay to break the pattern of the libs and CPC passing the reigns back and forth until things all fall apart.
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thunderspanks posted:the zello chat is trying to mobilize a blocking of one of the bridges, can't wait to see how this goes down. great success
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vyelkin posted:not really, fpp means when the ppc take over the conservative party then they win a majority with 40% of the vote. under PR basically all those PPC gains come from Con losses (the cons go down by 10 and the PPC go up by 21 so it isn't a straight 1:1 but it's close enough) and in exchange the Liberals are hugely weakened and have to deal with a much stronger NDP. PR also means that's probably the right's ceiling because the right parties combined never break around 40% of the vote, where FPP means as soon as they get their house in order and get to 40% they win a majority and can do whatever they want 100%
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Don Pigeon posted:The people cannot be trusted. I recommend that our government be led by a group of elite Laurentian men who own big houses in Toronto and Montreal.
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completely unironically, the best thing that could happen to governance in this country would be a fractured and factionalized parliament where accomplishing anything required constant horsetrading and compromise if some of those factions are absolute loony tunes, so be it. we're not that far off as it is, and at least they'd be marginalized by having to cooperate with everyone else to get anything passed
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if you're turning against proportional representation now that a party you don't like would gain some seats, you obviously didn't think about your position for all of three seconds. like seriously, what did you think was gonna happen? you live in a country with millions of people who disagree with you, don't care about you, and vote. if you were always against it then I guess I salute your principled take!
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